[WSG] css generating i.e security pop up

2007-02-28 Thread kevin mcmonagle

Hi,
Im using the pure css - alphaimageloader hack for png transparency.
The problem is that its setting of a security warning in ie 6.
The pngs will only show up if you click ok and allow the script.

How should i handle this?
Is there anything i can do to make this less obtrusive?

www.mcmonagle.biz/arena7

-best
kevin mcmonagle




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Re: [WSG] css generating i.e security pop up

2007-02-28 Thread Darren West

This behaviour is by design, for security reasons when the script is sourced
locally (ie. if you load the website and script from your local machine) you
will see this alert; I don't get the message and neither will other
visitors.

On 28/02/07, kevin mcmonagle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Hi,
Im using the pure css - alphaimageloader hack for png transparency.
The problem is that its setting of a security warning in ie 6.
The pngs will only show up if you click ok and allow the script.

How should i handle this?
Is there anything i can do to make this less obtrusive?

www.mcmonagle.biz/arena7

-best
kevin mcmonagle




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Re: [WSG] css generating i.e security pop up

2007-02-28 Thread ~davidLaakso

kevin mcmonagle wrote:


Im using the pure css - alphaimageloader hack for png transparency.
The problem is that its setting of a security warning in ie 6.
The pngs will only show up if you click ok and allow the script.

www.mcmonagle.biz/arena7

-best
kevin mcmonagle




No clue.

But this may fix the nick in the footer:
#footer{width: /*826px*/825px; }  re-set

~dL

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[WSG] Content negotiated links: why so bad?

2007-02-28 Thread libwebdev

Hi folks,

I followed a recent thread here on how people manage their links, and I made
a request to our organisation's webmaster to allow MultiViews for my
department's website (which I manage, and which is part of a large public
organisation). I have a penchant for short, usable URLs that don't show file
names, and would like to link to /mydept/training/ rather than
/mydept/training.htm.

His response:

paste
My main concern would be with how content-negotiated links get handled by
search engines (both Google and Thunderstone). There is also a potential
issue if there is more than one page in a folder that satisfies the content
criteria. Additionally, even if we were to allow MultiViews, it is essential
that the URL in any links within the pages still be the correct full one.

Given the structure of the department site, I am not sure that there is
any great advantage to be gained.
/paste

I'm not sure I fully understand his concerns, and wondered if someone could
enlighten me as to why he is reluctant to do this, why it would be A Bad
Thing when it seems pretty innocuous to me.

Or perhaps I should just get over it, use *.htm everywhere, and move on to
more important issues. .. ?

lib.


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[WSG] Recommendations for Usability sub-contractor

2007-02-28 Thread Sarah Hughes

Hi,

We are looking for someone reliable (and good) to subcontract Usability 
work out to. Can anyone recommend a company/business who could be 
suitable for on site work in the Canberra area?


Thanks,

Sarah


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Re: [WSG] Content negotiated links: why so bad?

2007-02-28 Thread Breton Slivka


On 01/03/2007, at 9:31 AM, libwebdev wrote:


Hi folks,

I followed a recent thread here on how people manage their links,  
and I made a request to our organisation's webmaster to allow  
MultiViews for my department's website (which I manage, and which  
is part of a large public organisation). I have a penchant for  
short, usable URLs that don't show file names, and would like to  
link to /mydept/training/ rather than /mydept/training.htm.


His response:

paste
My main concern would be with how content-negotiated links get  
handled by search engines (both Google and Thunderstone).


Google sends the http accept header with text/html as its preference.  
Apache will serve whatever content best matches that. Thunderstone  
sends whatever accept header you set it to send, so the consequences  
of that are up to you and how you set it.



There is also a potential issue if there is more than one page in a  
folder that satisfies the content criteria.
Then the one the user agent prefers (indicated by it accept header)  
gets sent.  This concern is uselessly ambiguous, though. What kind of  
situation is he imagining, exactly?



Additionally, even if we were to allow MultiViews, it is essential  
that the URL in any links within the pages still be the correct  
full one.


How does he define correct ? Any one of the possible content types  
is correct depending on what user agent is requesting the page. If an  
XML browser requests a page which contains full links to html  
documents, this would be incorrect.



Given the structure of the department site, I am not sure that  
there is any great advantage to be gained.

/paste


what special qualities of the site's structure is he talking about here?




I'm not sure I fully understand his concerns, and wondered if  
someone could enlighten me as to why he is reluctant to do this,  
why it would be A Bad Thing when it seems pretty innocuous to me.


is seamless multiple language support, and seamless multiple browser  
support into the future important to the company? Are clean, easy to  
remember URL's important? What are the actual drawbacks? I've read  
carefully though his concerns and he doesn't seem to specifically  
state any.  So, it seems to me that while he said he has concerns,  
what he listed as concerns are rather strange constructed mythologies  
designed to appear like concerns, but which are not.





Or perhaps I should just get over it, use *.htm everywhere, and  
move on to more important issues. .. ?


lib.



You could. To play devil's advocate here, what percentage of your  
target audience would be able to take real advantage of this change?  
Is that percentage worth the trouble of arguing with him, and is it  
worth the trouble of implementing the change?




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RE: [WSG] Recommendations for Usability sub-contractor; SEC=UNCLASSIFIED

2007-02-28 Thread Nguyen, Anh MS
Sarah,

Why don't you contact 'Hitser' currently providing Usability training
and also consultancy.

Usability consulting includes:

Accessibility evaluations
Expert reviews
Forms design
Information architecture design
Usability testing
User interface design

Wesite: www.hiser.com.au

Contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED] or phy phone on 02 9954 8970. 

Regards

Anh Nguyen

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Subject: [WSG] Recommendations for Usability sub-contractor

Hi,

We are looking for someone reliable (and good) to subcontract Usability
work out to. Can anyone recommend a company/business who could be
suitable for on site work in the Canberra area?

Thanks,

Sarah


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Re: [WSG] Recommendations for Usability sub-contractor; SEC=UNCLASSIFIED

2007-02-28 Thread Tim

Dear Sarah,

I would not recommend that a government department employs anyone who 
does not themselves conform with W3C document validation or the 
requirements of the 1992 disability Discrimination Act.


hiser.com.au don't seem to write validated documents and their home 
page is full of inaccessible forms with no fieldset of legend tags.


http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.hiser.com.au%2F

If validity and accessibility are cousins of useability then the whole 
family could be in trouble. If you do contact hiser insist on training 
involving W3C valid documents which are accessible,


Tim Anderson
http://www.hereticpress.com


On 01/03/2007, at 11:53 AM, Nguyen, Anh MS wrote:


Sarah,

Why don't you contact 'Hitser' currently providing Usability training
and also consultancy.

Usability consulting includes:

Accessibility evaluations
Expert reviews
Forms design
Information architecture design
Usability testing
User interface design

Wesite: www.hiser.com.au

Contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED] or phy phone on 02 9954 8970.

Regards

Anh Nguyen

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Sarah Hughes
Sent: Thursday, 1 March 2007 10:58
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: [WSG] Recommendations for Usability sub-contractor

Hi,

We are looking for someone reliable (and good) to subcontract Usability
work out to. Can anyone recommend a company/business who could be
suitable for on site work in the Canberra area?

Thanks,

Sarah


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Re: [WSG] Content negotiated links: why so bad?

2007-02-28 Thread libwebdev

I appreciate your comments, Breton, thank you.

At 11:19 AM 1/03/2007 +1100, Breton Slivka wrote:


Given the structure of the department site, I am not sure that
there is any great advantage to be gained.'


what special qualities of the site's structure is he talking about here?


No special qualities. It's very simple. /dept/ contains all *.htm files
including the site index, with css/javascript/images/otherstuff in their own
/dirs/. Pretty basic. Maybe that's his point: little advantage.


is seamless multiple language support, and seamless multiple browser

support into the

future important to the company? Are clean, easy to remember URL's

important?

Nope, to easy URLs (forgive me, I don't understand the relationship between
MultiViews and language/browser support).
The webmaster I'm talking to is responsible for URLs that end like this
 *.cfm?doc_id=n ... and thinks it's perfectly acceptable (just one of
the many many reasons I'm glad our dept's website is NOT in the
organisation's CMS). In fact, I think he quite likes them, and certainly
doesn't seem to think usable URLs are an issue in any way at all.


what percentage of your target audience would be able to take real

advantage of this change?

Probably a very small one. However, the last usability study I did on my
site (the webmaster hasn't done one of those, has he, nah, course not), a
couple of users actually mentioned how they preferred my dept's style of URL
to the organisation's. I was just trying to make it even better. I think
/dept/training/ just looks way cooler and more professional than
/dept/training.htm

Perhaps I'll just let this one go; there are sure to be bigger issues down
the track more worth my time. *sigh*

thanks again though, i really did want to understand more about his
response.

lib.


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Re: [WSG] Recommendations for Usability sub-contractor; SEC=UNCLASSIFIED

2007-02-28 Thread Mike Brown

I think best would be people reply to Sarah off-list, because:

- we don't want to get into a debate as to which usability consultants 
are good or not, or even what makes a good usability consultant

- those of us outside of Canberra have very limited interest in the subject

:)

Mike
who, believe it or not, is actually on the WSG Core team


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Re: [WSG] Content negotiated links: why so bad?

2007-02-28 Thread Ben Buchanan

organisation). I have a penchant for short, usable URLs that don't show file
names, and would like to link to /mydept/training/ rather than
/mydept/training.htm.


Sounds a lot like you'll get resistance, although I agree that not
showing extensions has some benefits.

I'd shoot for a middle of the road - make sure that all index pages
are documented/distrubuted without the index.html and try to avoid
promoting anything other than an index :)

More of a social hack than a technical solution, but sometimes policy
requires it.

cheers,

Ben

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