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[WSG] Fwd: Doubled heights for menu in IE and a couple more

[Elle Meredith]

I also wanted to ask if you could have a look at the portfolio page  
and help me make the styles for that section simpler.
I used a definition list and floated the  and  to the left.  
This breaks in IE. Any ideas how to make it better, would be welcomed.



The site is at: http://designbyelle.com.au/



>> I think you need to make the s clear: both.


Hi John,

1. I added height and line-height and my menu is fixed. Thanks.

2. The portfolio still breaks in IE. Any ideas??

TIA,
Elle




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[WSG] Re: digest for wsg@webstandardsgroup.org [ZONEALARM CHALLENGE]

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Re: [WSG] Doubled heights for menu in IE and a couple more

[John Faulds]

Hi Elle,

1. Giving your anchors that are set to display: block a dimension (height  
or width) should correct this.

2. I think you need to make the s clear: both.
3. You should be able to do away with the negative margin if you do away  
with the floats on the images and to do that, you'll need to remove the  
line-break between the two images.


On Sat, 03 Mar 2007 10:07:10 +1000, Elle Meredith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Hi,

I have a couple of problems with my styles that break in IE and wanted  
to ask for help.


1. My main menu doubles the heights of the links in IE6. It's still  
functioning but it's not meant to look like that.


2. I also wanted to ask if you could have a look at the portfolio page  
and help me make the styles for that section simpler.
I used a definition list and floated the  and  to the left. This  
breaks in IE. Any ideas how to make it better, would be welcomed.


3. On the portfolio page, the second image when floated, has a margin on  
the top that I don't know why is happening and I had to declare a  
negative margin- top to align the images. And off course IE doesn't like  
that. This also happens on the home page where there is a top margin on  
the main image that I had to declare negative margin-top as well.


The site is at: http://designbyelle.com.au/

TIA,
Elle


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Re: [WSG] legal website policies for the UK and USA

[Marghanita da Cruz]

Lisa B McLaughlin wrote:

Hello of band of web wizards!

I am looking for a resource for current website legal requirements for the
USA and UK.  I did the typical Google search and found a site for the UK,
but it's second-hand info.  I don't have a definitive resource for the USA.


Specially, I am looking to write privacy statements, legal non-mumbo-jumbo,
and check current accessibility issues.  I also want to be compliant of any
other laws I may not know details about, such as the one about asking before
you put someone's name/email on an email newsletter subscription.

Any suggestions?  I'm probably missing something downright obvious.
these references (though mostly Australian) may help you scope the legal 
risks


*Metadata and Electronic Document Management for Electronic Commerce


*Making an Accessible and Functional Website for the 2008 Beijing Olympics
http://www.tomw.net.au/2003/bws.html

*Information Privacy


*financial (accountability/liability/security of financial
transactions)/audit trails/taxation)
*for the US see alsoIT Governance/Sarbanes Oxley/SOX

*copyright.

*The Expanding Web of Defamation: Gutnick v Dow Jones


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Re: [WSG] Embedding XML in HTML

[David Dorward]

Kat wrote:


1. I cannot find any  element in the HTML 4.01 standard


There isn't one


2. I cannot find any reference to the datafld attribute for span.


Ditto

Both of these are mentioned on this W3Schools 


Insert obscenity due to their general level of quality being extremely low.


XML tutorial site:
http://www.w3schools.com/xml/xml_data_island.asp


To quote that page:

"With Internet Explorer, the ***unofficial***  tag can be used to 
create an XML data island."



Is what the W3Schools site discusses as per the standards


No

NB. I am, of course, assuming that when W3Schools says HTML, it means 
exactly that, and not XHTML.


It would still be wrong if it was XHTML since it isn't in a different 
namespace.


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[WSG] Doubled heights for menu in IE and a couple more

[Elle Meredith]

Hi,

I have a couple of problems with my styles that break in IE and  
wanted to ask for help.


1. My main menu doubles the heights of the links in IE6. It's still  
functioning but it's not meant to look like that.


2. I also wanted to ask if you could have a look at the portfolio  
page and help me make the styles for that section simpler.
I used a definition list and floated the  and  to the left.  
This breaks in IE. Any ideas how to make it better, would be welcomed.


3. On the portfolio page, the second image when floated, has a margin  
on the top that I don't know why is happening and I had to declare a  
negative margin- top to align the images. And off course IE doesn't  
like that. This also happens on the home page where there is a top  
margin on the main image that I had to declare negative margin-top as  
well.


The site is at: http://designbyelle.com.au/

TIA,
Elle


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RE: [WSG] Embedding XML in HTML

[Kepler Gelotte]

Hi Kat,

I you look at the article it states "With *Internet Explorer*, the
*unofficial*  tag can be used to create an XML data island." Meaning
this technique only works with Internet Explorer. According to the article:
"If you are running *IE 5.0 or higher*, you can try it yourself.". The
example doesn't work in FireFox in other words. Too bad, it is a nice
feature...

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[WSG] Embedding XML in HTML

[Kat]

Gday,

I don't understand what's going on:

1. I cannot find any  element in the HTML 4.01 standard

2. I cannot find any reference to the datafld attribute for span.
(Other than being reserved for possible future use: 
http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/sgml/dtd.html)


Both of these are mentioned on this W3Schools XML tutorial site:
http://www.w3schools.com/xml/xml_data_island.asp

Is what the W3Schools site discusses as per the standards, and if so, 
where is it mentioned on the W3C?


Kat
NB. I am, of course, assuming that when W3Schools says HTML, it means 
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Re: [WSG] Javascript to check for Handheld Devices

[Nick Fitzsimons]

On 2 Mar 2007, at 14:15:31, TuteC wrote:


Once I saw a Nokia trying to serve a "wide" (media=screen) CSS, I
solved it using a media=handheld stylesheet, almost empty. It would be
a problem if these little devices are trying to load the 'screen'
sheet, do you have handheld specific defined sheets in your code?
Sorry to ask, but if it doesn't help you then it'll help me.



Just to add to the general flow of information here: Microsoft's IE  
Mobile, which is used on phones and handhelds (e.g. iPaq PDAs)  
running Windows Mobile (formerly Windows CE), will apply stylesheets  
of media type "screen" *AND* "handheld". This means that any rules in  
the screen stylesheet which must not apply on the handheld device  
_must_ be explicitly overridden, which is a bad thing as obviously  
one wants to keep the handheld download as small as possible.


(Note that IE Mobile is not the same as IE for normal Windows - it's  
a totally different and, in certain other respects, more standards- 
compliant browser.)


When I raised this with the IE Mobile team last year, their attitude  
was basically that as their kit had always done that, they couldn't  
change it for fear of breaking existing stuff.


(One team member also commented that his current PDA had an 800x600  
screen, so was perfectly capable of handling a lot of screen styling.  
I didn't bother pointing out that we don't all get the latest kit  
supplied by a rich employer like MS, nor do we all get the kind of  
salaries MS offer to waste on gadgets.)


They did admit that they weren't quite sure why they'd missed out the  
 element when they implemented HTML 4.01 several years ago,  
but apparently it's now in very recent versions.


Just to add to the fun, IE Mobile offers several rendering modes -  
honour the source, put everything in a narrow column no matter what,  
and something in between, as far as I can tell. Some of these will  
ignore various aspects of both the markup and the styling to try to  
get everything to fit. These work in ways that I have never found any  
meaningful documentation for, although in at least one rendering mode  
it will apply its own styles for certain elements (e.g. ) in a  
way that will override anything you try to do.


It also supports switching from landscape to portrait mode, under the  
user's control, so you can't make any assumptions about the screen  
dimensions, or whether the screen is wider than it is tall or not.


Finally, the manufacturer of the equipment (phone, PDA, whatever) can  
make their own low-level configuration changes to the IE install, and  
select which options can be overridden by the user. So one device may  
allow the user to select the rendering mode to use while another only  
ever allows the use of one rendering mode - usually the one which  
leads to the most unpredictable results.


On the bright side, recent (version 5 upwards, I think, which is  
about 18 months - 2 years old) do support the use of XMLHttpRequest  
(via the MSXML ActiveX approach). Ain't life wonderful...


HTH,

Nick.
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Re: [WSG] Content negotiated links: why so bad?

[TuteC]

That's what I do, and it's really swift of doing, even though you
never saw an htaccess file.
I use it, there are some disadvantages on server load but in my
projects, I don't care. Well, it works as expected.
Best regards,
Eugenio Costa.

On 3/1/07, Adrian Lynch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Or just use mod_rewrite to rewrite the URL's from nice clean URL's
into the crusty querystrings on the fly. If you are familiar with
mod_rewrite it would take 15 minutes, otherwise might take an hour or
so to work out what you need but you wouldn't need to even touch
the backend.

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Re: [WSG] Javascript to check for Handheld Devices

[TuteC]

Once I saw a Nokia trying to serve a "wide" (media=screen) CSS, I
solved it using a media=handheld stylesheet, almost empty. It would be
a problem if these little devices are trying to load the 'screen'
sheet, do you have handheld specific defined sheets in your code?
Sorry to ask, but if it doesn't help you then it'll help me.

Best regards;
Eugenio Costa.


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Re: [WSG] legal website policies for the UK and USA

[Tim]

I forgot in Australia there is also:

The Privacy Act
Trade Practices Act Fitness for purpose (Assume it may mean legal 
compliance)

The terrorism Act anything inciting violence
In Victoria Australia The Racial and Religious Tolerance Act Ridicule 
of a religion or people six months jail


Tim

On 02/03/2007, at 11:16 PM, Lisa B McLaughlin wrote:


Hello of band of web wizards!

I am looking for a resource for current website legal requirements for 
the
USA and UK.  I did the typical Google search and found a site for the 
UK,
but it's second-hand info.  I don't have a definitive resource for the 
USA.



Specially, I am looking to write privacy statements, legal 
non-mumbo-jumbo,
and check current accessibility issues.  I also want to be compliant 
of any
other laws I may not know details about, such as the one about asking 
before

you put someone's name/email on an email newsletter subscription.

Any suggestions?  I'm probably missing something downright obvious.

Lisa

Lisa B. McLaughlin, NCW
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Re: [WSG] legal website policies for the UK and USA

[Tim]

I have some legal links for each country on three review pages of UK 
USA and Australian government sites tested for W3C validity and 
accessibility, an ongoing study.


USA websites tested some legal links and a brief target case summary.
http://www.hereticpress.com/Dogstar/Publishing/USAweb.html#uslegal

UK websites tested
http://www.hereticpress.com/Dogstar/Publishing/UKweb.html

This Australian page  most up-to-date includes Error 404 pages and 
accessibility statements

http://www.hereticpress.com/Dogstar/Publishing/AustWeb.html

Results comparing UK USA and Aust sites for validity and accessibility 
some legal links

http://www.hereticpress.com/Dogstar/Publishing/Results.html

Uk sites on average had fewer validation errors and more accessibility 
features than Australian and USA sites. Legal compliance seemed to come 
secondary to effective advocacy for legal compliance from the 
pro-active RNIB in the UK who send out non-compliance notices to the 
NFIB in America pushing for standards in the Target case and the long 
forgotten Sydney Olympics case in Australia which has NOT been been 
followed up by another case. It seems to me that HREOC who administer 
compliance with the Australian 1992 Laws do not want to proceed against 
anyone, hence Australian government sites like Centrelink with 50 
language translations but a HTML author in the house.


Legal standards can be meaningless without effective advocacy that they 
should be complied with.


Without another Target like case in Australia my bet is that standards 
will fall further. Most government websites I reviewed fail all 
accessibility tests, a few USA sites comply with S.508 of their 
Disability Act.


Tim

On 02/03/2007, at 11:16 PM, Lisa B McLaughlin wrote:


Hello of band of web wizards!

I am looking for a resource for current website legal requirements for 
the
USA and UK.  I did the typical Google search and found a site for the 
UK,
but it's second-hand info.  I don't have a definitive resource for the 
USA.



Specially, I am looking to write privacy statements, legal 
non-mumbo-jumbo,
and check current accessibility issues.  I also want to be compliant 
of any
other laws I may not know details about, such as the one about asking 
before

you put someone's name/email on an email newsletter subscription.

Any suggestions?  I'm probably missing something downright obvious.

Lisa

Lisa B. McLaughlin, NCW
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 T:  +44 (0)  1943 468624
M:  +44 (0) 7835 947606
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[WSG] legal website policies for the UK and USA

[Lisa B McLaughlin]

Hello of band of web wizards!

I am looking for a resource for current website legal requirements for the
USA and UK.  I did the typical Google search and found a site for the UK,
but it's second-hand info.  I don't have a definitive resource for the USA.


Specially, I am looking to write privacy statements, legal non-mumbo-jumbo,
and check current accessibility issues.  I also want to be compliant of any
other laws I may not know details about, such as the one about asking before
you put someone's name/email on an email newsletter subscription.

Any suggestions?  I'm probably missing something downright obvious.

Lisa

Lisa B. McLaughlin, NCW
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 T:  +44 (0)  1943 468624
M:  +44 (0) 7835 947606
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Re: [WSG] unobtrusive js help

[Bob Schwartz]

Michael,

Another point. All the sites I do have something in them updated at  
least once a year, so the copyright (current year) would reflect the  
year of last revision.



On 3/2/07, Paul Novitski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Please generate the notice
server-side -- or hard-code it into the html --
so it shows up for everyone viewing the content.


In addition to Paul's technically valid note (with which I, a noscript
user, wholeheartedly agree), there's also a legal one. The year in a
copyright notice should be the year of last revision. Coding it in
with JavaScript will keep it up to date when it may not be, which
would be a false copyright claim. Not so good. Make it the year of
last modification of the page - either the data presented by a
server-side script, or hard-coded when the page is changed.

Regards,

Michael


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Re: [WSG] unobtrusive js help

[Bob Schwartz]

Michael,

Thank you for the information.

If we were in a perfect world it just might be reasonable to try and  
be as legal as possible, but reality is that the copyright notice is  
almost useless in that it only gives a (false) sense of protection,  
to actualy be protected is another matter.


As a professional photographer I have had occasion to pursue  
copyright violations.


Yes, the law is on my side, but due to the cost of lawyers, the  
violaters being in a different country, difficulty collecting even if  
I win the case, etc. it's rarely worth pursuing.


So, in good faith, I put the copyright on clients sites, but as the  
saying goes "it is as useful as tits on a bull".



On 3/2/07, Paul Novitski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Please generate the notice
server-side -- or hard-code it into the html --
so it shows up for everyone viewing the content.


In addition to Paul's technically valid note (with which I, a noscript
user, wholeheartedly agree), there's also a legal one. The year in a
copyright notice should be the year of last revision. Coding it in
with JavaScript will keep it up to date when it may not be, which
would be a false copyright claim. Not so good. Make it the year of
last modification of the page - either the data presented by a
server-side script, or hard-coded when the page is changed.

Regards,

Michael


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Re: [WSG] unobtrusive js help

[Bob Schwartz]

Paul,

Unobtrusive javascript doesn't just mean separation of the script  
from the markup, it is also the use of javascript that doesn't  
break the page when scripting is disabled.

http://onlinetools.org/articles/unobtrusivejavascript/chapter1.html


Further thoughts on this statement:

Leaving aside the copyright  bit, I'm not so sure it is necessary to  
cater 100% to those without js as long as they are not being denied  
the primary content.


An example: I am working on a script that generates a random quote in  
the right column of a page. If js is turned off nothing will show.


However, that quote is not essential to the content of the site, it  
is just a bit of eye candy that the user with js turned off will not  
see and I don't see any reason to jump through hoops to try and give  
the non-js person something to see in its place.


I am, however, trying to get away from js that does affect the  
primary content if turned off.


 It's like printing a book with a copyright notice that shows up  
only in artificial light but is invisible in daylight.


To use your book example: desiging a site is like laying out a book  
according to a certian look and feel if published as designed, but  
having to take into consideration  the fact that the possibility  
exists that it will be published with different fonts-at different  
sizes, no images, different "page" sizes, browser "bugs" etc., etc.,  
etc. At some point we either draw some lines (often due to budget,  
client requests) or just publish "plain text" web pages.


I have recently started trying to create the "perfect" template to  
use as a starting point for future web sites.


I have been reading all the various arguments regarding font sizes,  
html vs xhtml served as text/html, etc., etc. only to discover that  
many of the "gurus" are now reversing themselves on what is "right"  
or ignoring some very strong and convincing arguments (backed up by  
examples) as to why their "method" is not "the" method to follow.


It is a frustrating experience and in the end I'll probably just have  
to draw my own conclusions, as well as, lines.


Bob


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Re: [WSG] unobtrusive js help

[Michael Cordover]

On 3/2/07, Paul Novitski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Please generate the notice
server-side -- or hard-code it into the html --
so it shows up for everyone viewing the content.


In addition to Paul's technically valid note (with which I, a noscript
user, wholeheartedly agree), there's also a legal one. The year in a
copyright notice should be the year of last revision. Coding it in
with JavaScript will keep it up to date when it may not be, which
would be a false copyright claim. Not so good. Make it the year of
last modification of the page - either the data presented by a
server-side script, or hard-coded when the page is changed.

Regards,

Michael


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Re: [WSG] unobtrusive js help

[Bob Schwartz]

Paul,

I agree with you and as I am trying to learn this stuff I'm going one  
step at a time in the hopes that I can one day "drop the crutches" I  
needed an example of how to put a js string in a text string.


The next step will be to try and figure out how (I have some examples  
that I am playing with) to replace existing text with that generated  
by the js.


The idea being: hard coded in the page would be © 2003 - 2007  
Myplace, (the 2003 being the year the site went live) then on Jan.  
1st 2008 the js would replace the 2007 with 2008, but if js is turned  
off it would still say 2007 until such time as the hard coding can be  
changed.


Is there a server side way of doing it without turning the whole site  
into PHP or ASP?


Thanks,

Bob




Bob,

I'm glad you're getting help with your javascript problem.  However:

Unobtrusive javascript doesn't just mean separation of the script  
from the markup, it is also the use of javascript that doesn't  
break the page when scripting is disabled.

http://onlinetools.org/articles/unobtrusivejavascript/chapter1.html

For example, a hyperlink that reloads the page with new content can  
be morphed by javascript to display the new content immediately  
without returning to the server.  Regardless of whether javascript  
is enabled, the new content shows up.  Unobtrusive javascript  
enhances the page but the page doesn't DEPEND on javascript.


Your use of javascript to display a copyright notice means that the  
copyright won't be displayed when javascript isn't running.  This  
isn't unobtrusive, it's obtrusive.  It's like printing a book with  
a copyright notice that shows up only in artificial light but is  
invisible in daylight.  I can't imagine you're protecting your  
client's intellectual property rights by generating the copyright  
notice in such a fragile way.  Please generate the notice server- 
side -- or hard-code it into the html -- so it shows up for  
everyone viewing the content.


Regards,

Paul




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Re: [WSG] unobtrusive js help

[Tim]

On 02/03/2007, at 6:34 PM, Paul Novitski wrote:


At 3/1/2007 02:32 AM, Bob Schwartz wrote:

I am in the process of converting my javascript library to
nonobtrusive js.


...

At 3/1/2007 06:44 AM, Bob Schwartz wrote:

I'll start with the easy one first:

var d=new Date();yr=d.getFullYear();if (yr!=2003)document.write 
("© "+yr); myplace


which gives me: © 2007 myplace

Here's my pathetic attempt:

window.onload = function() {
  var para = document.createElement("p");

... etc.


Bob,

I'm glad you're getting help with your javascript problem.  However:

Unobtrusive javascript doesn't just mean separation of the script from 
the markup, it is also the use of javascript that doesn't break the 
page when scripting is disabled.

http://onlinetools.org/articles/unobtrusivejavascript/chapter1.html

For example, a hyperlink that reloads the page with new content can be 
morphed by javascript to display the new content immediately without 
returning to the server.  Regardless of whether javascript is enabled, 
the new content shows up.  Unobtrusive javascript enhances the page 
but the page doesn't DEPEND on javascript.


Your use of javascript to display a copyright notice means that the 
copyright won't be displayed when javascript isn't running.  This 
isn't unobtrusive, it's obtrusive.  It's like printing a book with a 
copyright notice that shows up only in artificial light but is 
invisible in daylight.  I can't imagine you're protecting your 
client's intellectual property rights by generating the copyright 
notice in such a fragile way.  Please generate the notice server-side 
-- or hard-code it into the html -- so it shows up for everyone 
viewing the content.


Regards,

Paul
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Thanks Paul,

Also consider in the head meta tags, a link to copyright statement:


And in the page body put somewhere
© myplace 2007.

Add the copyright statement for non javascript users
 © myplace 2007. 

Tim

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Re: [WSG] unobtrusive js help

[Paul Novitski]

At 3/1/2007 02:32 AM, Bob Schwartz wrote:

I am in the process of converting my javascript library to
nonobtrusive js.


...

At 3/1/2007 06:44 AM, Bob Schwartz wrote:

I'll start with the easy one first:

var d=new Date();yr=d.getFullYear();if 
(yr!=2003)document.write ("© "+yr); myplace


which gives me: © 2007 myplace

Here's my pathetic attempt:

window.onload = function() {
  var para = document.createElement("p");

... etc.


Bob,

I'm glad you're getting help with your javascript problem.  However:

Unobtrusive javascript doesn't just mean 
separation of the script from the markup, it is 
also the use of javascript that doesn't break the 
page when scripting is disabled.

http://onlinetools.org/articles/unobtrusivejavascript/chapter1.html

For example, a hyperlink that reloads the page 
with new content can be morphed by javascript to 
display the new content immediately without 
returning to the server.  Regardless of whether 
javascript is enabled, the new content shows 
up.  Unobtrusive javascript enhances the page but 
the page doesn't DEPEND on javascript.


Your use of javascript to display a copyright 
notice means that the copyright won't be 
displayed when javascript isn't running.  This 
isn't unobtrusive, it's obtrusive.  It's like 
printing a book with a copyright notice that 
shows up only in artificial light but is 
invisible in daylight.  I can't imagine you're 
protecting your client's intellectual property 
rights by generating the copyright notice in such 
a fragile way.  Please generate the notice 
server-side -- or hard-code it into the html -- 
so it shows up for everyone viewing the content.


Regards,

Paul
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