Re: [WSG] London Meetup for people interested in an informal discussion around web standards

2007-10-12 Thread James Jeffery
For anyone based in the West Midlands there is also:
http://www.multipack.co.uk/

On 10/11/07, Nick Fitzsimons [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On 11 Oct 2007, at 12:00, Ross Bruniges wrote:

  For general meet-ups with presentations and such (like Geek Dinners
  or things similar) then it really is best to just keep a close eye
  on upcoming.yahoo.com for things as they pop up from time to time -
  you will also get a good idea of who to follow so that you can see
  when things are occuring as they say they are attending or watching.

 Just to let people know, the London Web Standards Group page on
 upcoming is at
 http://upcoming.yahoo.com/group/1610/

  By all means please come to pub standards, its a hell of a lot of
  fun but don't expect to learn too much :

 And if you _do_ learn anything, don't expect to remember it the next
 day :-)

 Regards,

 Nick.
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[WSG] Image chooser

2007-10-12 Thread Simon Cockayne
Hi,

Anyone recommend an image chooser?

(You know...display a bunch of thumnails and allow some action based on
clicking one)


Cheers,

Simon


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[WSG] Jquery and/or Yahoo UI

2007-10-12 Thread Simon Cockayne
Hi,

Anyone using jQuery (http://jquery.com/) or Yahoo UI (
http://developer.yahoo.com/yui/) ?

Do they, help to, build nice Standards based apps?

Am I going to see green lights* in Firefox for standards compliance,
error-free CSS and Javascript...oh...and will the HTML and CSS validate?

*I LOVE those little green lights.

Cheers,

Simon


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Re: [WSG] Jquery and/or Yahoo UI

2007-10-12 Thread andy
Hi Simon,

jQuery won't introduce any errors automatically, so unless you tell it to
do something that will generate invalid HTML or CSS it will be fine. I
assume the same is true of YUI.

- Andrew Ingram

 Hi,

 Anyone using jQuery (http://jquery.com/) or Yahoo UI (
 http://developer.yahoo.com/yui/) ?

 Do they, help to, build nice Standards based apps?

 Am I going to see green lights* in Firefox for standards compliance,
 error-free CSS and Javascript...oh...and will the HTML and CSS validate?

 *I LOVE those little green lights.

 Cheers,

 Simon



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Re: [WSG] Jquery and/or Yahoo UI

2007-10-12 Thread Matthew Pennell
On 12/10/2007, Simon Cockayne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Anyone using jQuery (http://jquery.com/) or Yahoo UI (
 http://developer.yahoo.com/yui/) ?

 Do they, help to, build nice Standards based apps?

 Am I going to see green lights* in Firefox for standards compliance,
 error-free CSS and Javascript...oh...and will the HTML and CSS validate?


JavaScript libraries do not by themselves put errors in your CSS or HTML,
only you - the user - can do that. :)

If you consider WCAG a web standard, then you need to make sure that your
page is still accessible when scripts are turned off (or words to that
effect). Read our article that Alfonso linked to for an example of how
jQuery can be applied.

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RE: [WSG] Image chooser

2007-10-12 Thread Jim Davies
 Anyone recommend an image chooser?

Project Seven - http://projectseven.com
http://projectseven.com/products/galleries/ssm/ssm_03.htm
http://projectseven.com/products/galleries/hgmagic/features.htm

Jim Davies

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Re: [WSG] Jquery and/or Yahoo UI

2007-10-12 Thread Alfonso Catron
Hi Simon,,

I was just reading a very interesting article regarding jQuery:
http://www.digital-web.com/articles/jquery_crash_course/

probably you can get some more information from there.

Alfonso Catron



On 10/12/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi Simon,

 jQuery won't introduce any errors automatically, so unless you tell it to
 do something that will generate invalid HTML or CSS it will be fine. I
 assume the same is true of YUI.

 - Andrew Ingram

  Hi,
 
  Anyone using jQuery (http://jquery.com/) or Yahoo UI (
  http://developer.yahoo.com/yui/) ?
 
  Do they, help to, build nice Standards based apps?
 
  Am I going to see green lights* in Firefox for standards compliance,
  error-free CSS and Javascript...oh...and will the HTML and CSS validate?
 
  *I LOVE those little green lights.
 
  Cheers,
 
  Simon



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Re: [WSG] Jquery and/or Yahoo UI

2007-10-12 Thread Matthew Pennell
On 12/10/2007, Maarten stolte [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Not true. YUI is much more then a Javascript library, and it outputting
 alot of HTML and CSS could (possibly!) make it break your valid pages.


My point was that YUI doesn't output any HTML on its own - it only does what
you tell it to do.

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Re: [WSG] Jquery and/or Yahoo UI

2007-10-12 Thread Christian Montoya
On 10/12/07, Simon Cockayne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi,

 Anyone using jQuery (http://jquery.com/) or Yahoo UI
 (http://developer.yahoo.com/yui/) ?

 Do they, help to, build nice Standards based apps?

 Am I going to see green lights* in Firefox for standards compliance,
 error-free CSS and Javascript...oh...and will the HTML and CSS validate?

If you want to absolutely follow standards, make sure you don't use
any methods that wrap innerHTML. jQuery has one but it also has a
bunch of methods that use the proper DOM methods (appendElement,
removeElement, etc) so stick to the proper DOM methods and you will be
fine.

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christianmontoya.net


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RE: [WSG] Catch 22 list problem

2007-10-12 Thread michael.brockington
How hard would it be to have the list start with two empty elements,
removed from view in what ever way works best?

Mike 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Philippe Wittenbergh
Sent: Friday, October 12, 2007 3:22 AM
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: Re: [WSG] Catch 22 list problem


On Oct 12, 2007, at 4:42 AM, Keryx Web wrote:

 A. li value=3 is not allowed in strict HTML 4/XHTML 1.0, 
Spec says 
 use CSS.

 B. I want to start at 3.

 C: CSS has no means to specify a start value!

 Pick your poison:

 1. Invalid code
 2. Use a transitional DOCTYPE
 3. Set value with DOM-script



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Re: [WSG] London Meetup for people interested in an informal discussion around web standards

2007-10-12 Thread Joseph Ortenzi

Thanks Nick, etc.

So sounds like the Web Standards London is allied (loosely!) with Web  
Standards group (webstandardsgroup.org),


Web Standards London likes  structured lectures followed by beer

Pub Standards is developers talking about beer, with some Standards talk

Web Standards Meetup London talks about web standards with beer and  
wine and cola or coffee in attendance.


Sounds like plenty of room for everyone here. Anyone mind if I  
progress with gettingt attention for the group I just started (Web  
Standards Meetup London)?


On Oct 11, 2007, at 12:00, Ross Bruniges wrote:


Heya guys,

Just to confirm that Pub Standards is not the only web standards  
meet-ups and going the list will only get you messages about pub  
standards events - nothing else. The mailer is also specifically  
for Beer related talk - though from time to time web standards is  
mentioned


If you are looking for speakers and presentations then pub  
standards is not for you - it is really all about the beer and just  
a coincidence that everyone who attends are web devs ;


For general meet-ups with presentations and such (like Geek Dinners  
or things similar) then it really is best to just keep a close eye  
on upcoming.yahoo.com for things as they pop up from time to time -  
you will also get a good idea of who to follow so that you can see  
when things are occuring as they say they are attending or watching.


By all means please come to pub standards, its a hell of a lot of  
fun but don't expect to learn too much :


- Original Message 
From: Nick Fitzsimons [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Sent: Thursday, 11 October, 2007 11:20:56 AM
Subject: Re: [WSG] London Meetup for people interested in an  
informal discussion around web standards


On 11 Oct 2007, at 10:58, Joseph Ortenzi wrote:


Thanks Karl, but the pubstandards group appears to have withered
away and died, unfortunately. at least the UK one.



Erm...
http://upcoming.yahoo.com/event/290703/

Next pubstandards UK meetup is next Thursday :-)

HTH,

Nick.
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Re: [WSG] Jquery and/or Yahoo UI

2007-10-12 Thread Joseph Taylor
I haven't tried Yahoo's library, but jQuery is just great.  I only use 
it lightly (getting DOM elements, applying classes etc), but its been 
very nice to work with so far.  No code issues.


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Hi Simon,

jQuery won't introduce any errors automatically, so unless you tell it to
do something that will generate invalid HTML or CSS it will be fine. I
assume the same is true of YUI.

- Andrew Ingram

  

Hi,

Anyone using jQuery (http://jquery.com/) or Yahoo UI (
http://developer.yahoo.com/yui/) ?

Do they, help to, build nice Standards based apps?

Am I going to see green lights* in Firefox for standards compliance,
error-free CSS and Javascript...oh...and will the HTML and CSS validate?

*I LOVE those little green lights.

Cheers,

Simon





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Re: [WSG] Jquery and/or Yahoo UI

2007-10-12 Thread Maarten stolte
 On 12/10/2007, Simon Cockayne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Anyone using jQuery (http://jquery.com/) or Yahoo UI (
 http://developer.yahoo.com/yui/) ?

 Do they, help to, build nice Standards based apps?

 Am I going to see green lights* in Firefox for standards compliance,
 error-free CSS and Javascript...oh...and will the HTML and CSS validate?


 JavaScript libraries do not by themselves put errors in your CSS or HTML,
 only you - the user - can do that. :)

Not true. YUI is much more then a Javascript library, and it outputting
alot of HTML and CSS could (possibly!) make it break your valid pages.
I am using YUI, its very nice, but i've only been using it for some small
things and I did not yet validate them, and even if I had, it would not be
a guarantee for other parts of the library.
It *is* tested in alot of browsers for compatibility, which is maybe even
more important then standards compliance (sorry...).

regards,

Maarten


 If you consider WCAG a web standard, then you need to make sure that
 your
 page is still accessible when scripts are turned off (or words to that
 effect). Read our article that Alfonso linked to for an example of how
 jQuery can be applied.

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Re: [WSG] Jquery and/or Yahoo UI

2007-10-12 Thread Tee G. Peng

Can you comment on Ext JS ?

http://extjs.com/

I'd been wanting to know how it measure up  with standards but  
thought this is not a place to ask, but where is the better place to  
get a better answer regarding standards? :)


tee


On Oct 12, 2007, at 10:56 AM, Christian Montoya wrote:


On 10/12/07, Simon Cockayne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Hi,

Anyone using jQuery (http://jquery.com/) or Yahoo UI
(http://developer.yahoo.com/yui/) ?




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[WSG] IE 7 check please

2007-10-12 Thread Tee G. Peng
Can you please tell me if you see a horizontal scroll-bar in these  
two sites in IE 7 (not standalone), in 800px wide screen.


http://spanish-portuguese.berkeley.edu/
http://www.thinkvitamin.com/

I am working on a similar layout and in my standalone version it has  
scroll-bar, not in IE 6 though, therefor I don't want to fix  
something I am uncertain whether that is a bug in IE standalone and  
beta.


If it also show up in IE 7, has anybody encountered similar before  
and if you know the quick fix?


Thanks!

tee


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Re: [WSG] IE 7 check please

2007-10-12 Thread Tee G. Peng


On Oct 12, 2007, at 10:33 PM, Tee G. Peng wrote:

Can you please tell me if you see a horizontal scroll-bar in these  
two sites in IE 7 (not standalone), in 800px wide screen.


http://spanish-portuguese.berkeley.edu/


I forgot to mention, in the above site, it actually is about 776px  
before you see a horizontal bar, but that doesn't eliminate my  
suspicion that IE 7 has issue with elastic layout, becaus at IE 6,  
the scollbar appears when the sreen is smaller that 769px.


thanks!

tee


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