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[WSG] long word not wrapping in firefox
Hi, I have a table and one of its cell has a long text.In firefox teh word is not wrapping inside the table? any fix for this? thanks in advance. :-) Regards navii *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] long word not wrapping in firefox
http://petesbloggerama.blogspot.com/2007/02/firefox-ie-word-wrap-word-break-tables.html cheers Adam Naveen Bhaskar wrote: Hi, I have a table and one of its cell has a long text.In firefox teh word is not wrapping inside the table? any fix for this? thanks in advance. :-) Regards navii *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] SEO, fact or fiction
On 3/5/08, Keith Steinacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What I meant by 1 set fee was I'll get you top rankings on all search engines and fix all your woes for $99.99!! i see what you mean now. While anyone can learn how to do SEO from a book or an online class, it doesn't necessary mean that they can take your site (of any size) and make it number 1 for a canned fee. Anyone that tells you that is not to be trusted. and probably doesn't really know what they are doing. you mentioned making seo more dynamic on a large site. what do you mean by dynamic? let's take this off list, i think we are straying from the web standards theme, but you have me interested in this dynamic thing. dwain -- dwain alford The artist may use any form which his expression demands; for his inner impulse must find suitable expression. Kandinsky *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] SEO, fact or fiction
What are the SEO issues in web standards? Michael Horowitz Your Computer Consultant http://yourcomputerconsultant.com 561-394-9079 Keith Steinacher wrote: What I meant by 1 set fee was I'll get you top rankings on all search engines and fix all your woes for $99.99!! Charging by the page or per hour (as I do it) is more legitimate. Some projects you can't really charge by the page though. I have one client who's site has 600,000 pages or more. I'm not going to go through it page by page. At that point it becomes necessary to make the SEO of a site more dynamic. While anyone can learn how to do SEO from a book or an online class, it doesn't necessary mean that they can take your site (of any size) and make it number 1 for a canned fee. Anyone that tells you that is not to be trusted. On Wed, Mar 5, 2008 at 6:07 PM, dwain [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 3/4/08, *Keith Steinacher* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I wouldn't pay much attention to anyone that says they can solve all of your site's problems for 1 set fee. why not? i charge by the page and do the seo myself. there's a free class at: http://www.gnc-web-creations.com/seo-optimization.htm dwain -- dwain alford The artist may use any form which his expression demands; for his inner impulse must find suitable expression. Kandinsky *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- Keith Steinacher Chief Bottle-Washer *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] books
DOM Scripting: Web Design with JavaScript and the Document Object Model by Jeremy Keith Bulletproof Ajax (also by Keith) was good as well. Regards, Spell Michael Spellacy Senior User Interface Developer TMP Worldwide Advertising Communications, LLC www.tmp.com From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Thomas Thomassen Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 2:17 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] books Aye! A case of my own head not thinking... ;) - Original Message - From: Joe Ortenzi mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 7:57 AM Subject: Re: [WSG] books you mean Dont make ME think, right? ;-) you made me think about it... ;-) On Feb 19 2008, at 07:29, Thomas Thomassen wrote: Don't make the think -- A Common Sence Approach to Web Usability by Steve Krug Joe Ortenzi [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.joiz.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] long word not wrapping in firefox
Hi there,
you can use a css rule to stop long text breaking table widths:
table tr td {overflow: hidden}
:)
Paul
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Re: [WSG] Links are not hot in ie8
From: Thierry Koblentz [EMAIL PROTECTED] I think it's going to be a fun ride... http://tjkdesign.com/test/ie8/links.asp I hope people are using IE8 for its intended purpose of Technical Beta. Microsoft's own home page does not work very well and major sites (like Adobe.com and Yahoo are rendered in degrees of chaos). In the event this beta gets out in the wild and folks start using it as their default browser for general surfing, I'd recommend a little warning: http://www.projectseven.com/testing/ie8/pmm/ You'll see an alert box if you use IE8. -- Al Sparber - PVII http://www.projectseven.com Extending Dreamweaver - Nav Systems | Galleries | Widgets Authors: 42nd Street: Mastering the Art of CSS Design *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] IE8 news
How many time you guys think that will take to at least 70% of ie7 users update their browsers? I estimate 2/half years ... anyone can predict? - Original Message - From: aleagi [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 5:14 PM Subject: Re: [WSG] IE8 news Yeap, it sucks! I'll find a solution to that! Regards, Luiz Gustavo Aleagi Nunes - Nosce te ipsum - http://sapiensdc.com.br On Wed, Mar 5, 2008 at 5:04 PM, tee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I decided to be the brave and die first IE's victim :-) Very Bad! my IE 6 is gone, IE 7 standalone is working. The installation took over 15 minutes. How do they expect we test the browser by disable the the previous version(s) ?? *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** tee On Mar 5, 2008, at 11:32 AM, aleagi wrote: Yeah, I'm afraid to install it and kick IE6 and 7 out of my box! Anyone with the guts to do it? @:D Regards. Aleagi . On Wed, Mar 5, 2008 at 4:25 PM, Patrick H. Lauke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anybody installed the IE8beta1 yet? http://www.microsoft.com/windows/products/winfamily/ie/ie8/readiness/Install.htm Wondering if this nukes IE7 and embeds itself into Windows, or if it can run standalone... P -- Patrick H. Lauke __ re·dux (adj.): brought back; returned. used postpositively [latin : re-, re- + dux, leader; see duke.] www.splintered.co.uk | www.photographia.co.uk http://redux.deviantart.com __ Co-lead, Web Standards Project (WaSP) Accessibility Task Force http://webstandards.org/ __ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Links are not hot in ie8
I agree, the page that microsoft loads by default in IE8 (their own site) breaks horribly because of an embedded map - You'd think that they would fix the start-up page of the new beta as it doesn't really give off the best impression! Ben -- e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] w: http://bendodson.com/ On 06/03/2008, Al Sparber [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Thierry Koblentz [EMAIL PROTECTED] I think it's going to be a fun ride... http://tjkdesign.com/test/ie8/links.asp I hope people are using IE8 for its intended purpose of Technical Beta. Microsoft's own home page does not work very well and major sites (like Adobe.com and Yahoo are rendered in degrees of chaos). In the event this beta gets out in the wild and folks start using it as their default browser for general surfing, I'd recommend a little warning: http://www.projectseven.com/testing/ie8/pmm/ You'll see an alert box if you use IE8. -- Al Sparber - PVII http://www.projectseven.com Extending Dreamweaver - Nav Systems | Galleries | Widgets Authors: 42nd Street: Mastering the Art of CSS Design *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] IE8 news
It depends on how Microsoft are going to get users to upgrade - If they do a forced upgrade then that figure could go down and presumably if a service pack for vista comes out it will include IE8 in it by default so hopefully it will be more like a year and a half rather than 2 and a half. My main hope is that the number of IE6 users will decrease rapidly as there are still over 20% of the market according to the W3C statistics. Apparently Microsoft were going to do a forced upgrade from IE6 to IE7 at the end of Feb but I don't know how well that has gone (or if it has at all). Ben -- e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] w: http://bendodson.com/ On 06/03/2008, Genau [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How many time you guys think that will take to at least 70% of ie7 users update their browsers? I estimate 2/half years ... anyone can predict? - Original Message - From: aleagi [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 5:14 PM Subject: Re: [WSG] IE8 news Yeap, it sucks! I'll find a solution to that! Regards, Luiz Gustavo Aleagi Nunes - Nosce te ipsum - http://sapiensdc.com.br On Wed, Mar 5, 2008 at 5:04 PM, tee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I decided to be the brave and die first IE's victim :-) Very Bad! my IE 6 is gone, IE 7 standalone is working. The installation took over 15 minutes. How do they expect we test the browser by disable the the previous version(s) ?? *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** tee On Mar 5, 2008, at 11:32 AM, aleagi wrote: Yeah, I'm afraid to install it and kick IE6 and 7 out of my box! Anyone with the guts to do it? @:D Regards. Aleagi . On Wed, Mar 5, 2008 at 4:25 PM, Patrick H. Lauke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anybody installed the IE8beta1 yet? http://www.microsoft.com/windows/products/winfamily/ie/ie8/readiness/Install.htm Wondering if this nukes IE7 and embeds itself into Windows, or if it can run standalone... P -- Patrick H. Lauke __ re·dux (adj.): brought back; returned. used postpositively [latin : re-, re- + dux, leader; see duke.] www.splintered.co.uk | www.photographia.co.uk http://redux.deviantart.com __ Co-lead, Web Standards Project (WaSP) Accessibility Task Force http://webstandards.org/ __ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] IE8 news
How many time you guys think that will take to at least 70% of ie7 users update their browsers? I estimate 2/half years ... anyone can predict? Yes, I can predict. IE8 goes on-line August 4th, 2009. Human decisions are removed from strategic browser development. IE8 begins to learn, at a geometric rate. It becomes self-aware at 2:14 a.m. eastern time, August 29. In a panic, the IE8 development team try to pull the plug. Too late. IE8 launches its ICBMs against it's target - Firefox! How do I know all of this? I have detailed files: http://www.geocities.com/hollywood/makeup/4303/t2script.txt :) Russ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] IE8 news
http://www.geocities.com/hollywood/makeup/4303/t2script.txt 404! It's happening already! *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] IE8 news
On 2008/03/06 20:09 (GMT) Ben Dodson apparently typed: My main hope is that the number of IE6 users will decrease rapidly as there are still over 20% of the market according to the W3C statistics. Apparently Microsoft were going to do a forced upgrade from IE6 to IE7 at the end of Feb but I don't know how well that has gone (or if it has at all). IE6 won't be going away before W2K goes away, unless IE7 and/or IE8 is released for W2K. Last I checked, WGA didn't apply to W2K, leaving it as the only supported yet readily pirate-able doz version. The impact on XP is similar. Those not opting to allow WGA installation or attempt it but fail cannot upgrade from IE6. -- Let us not love with words or in talk only. Let us love by what we do. 1 John 3:18 NLV Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://mrmazda.no-ip.com/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] IE8 news
Google cache: http://216.239.59.104/search?q=cache:hJvRsZGb7kUJ:www.geocities.com/hollywood/makeup/4303/t2script.txt+http://www.geocities.com/hollywood/makeup/4303/t2script.txthl=enct=clnkcd=1gl=noclient=firefox-a - Original Message - From: Andrew Freedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2008 10:05 PM Subject: Re: [WSG] IE8 news russ - maxdesign provided the following information on 7/03/2008 7:43 AM: I have detailed files: http://www.geocities.com/hollywood/makeup/4303/t2script.txt :) Russ Obviously not ;) Andrew *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] Links are not hot in ie8
Ben, this is Microsoft - they don't make good impressions, they add value for shareholders ;) That said, I am surprised that they didn't run it through their own site to test it - or perhaps they did, then the map was added by another team. Things like this happen in large organisations. Cheers, Andrew Andrew Boyd Consultant SMS Management Technology M 0413 048 542 T +61 2 6279 7100 F +61 2 6279 7101 [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] About SMS: Ground Floor, 8 Brindabella Circuit, CANBERRA AIRPORT ACT 2609 www.smsmt.comhttps://magellan.smsmt.com/exchweb/bin/redir.asp?URL=http://www.smsmt.com/ SMS Management Technology (SMS) [ASX:SMX] is Australia's largest, publicly listed Management Services company. We solve complex problems and transform business through Consulting, People and Technology From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ben Dodson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, 7 March 2008 7:04 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Links are not hot in ie8 I agree, the page that microsoft loads by default in IE8 (their own site) breaks horribly because of an embedded map - You'd think that they would fix the start-up page of the new beta as it doesn't really give off the best impression! Ben -- e: [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] w: http://bendodson.com/ On 06/03/2008, Al Sparber [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Thierry Koblentz [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] I think it's going to be a fun ride... http://tjkdesign.com/test/ie8/links.asp I hope people are using IE8 for its intended purpose of Technical Beta. Microsoft's own home page does not work very well and major sites (like Adobe.comhttp://Adobe.com and Yahoo are rendered in degrees of chaos). In the event this beta gets out in the wild and folks start using it as their default browser for general surfing, I'd recommend a little warning: http://www.projectseven.com/testing/ie8/pmm/ You'll see an alert box if you use IE8. -- Al Sparber - PVII http://www.projectseven.com Extending Dreamweaver - Nav Systems | Galleries | Widgets Authors: 42nd Street: Mastering the Art of CSS Design *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** NOTICE - This communication is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking any action in reliance on, this communication by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient of this communication please delete and destroy all copies and telephone SMS Management Technology on 9696 0911 immediately. Any views expressed in this Communication are those of the individual sender, except where the sender specifically states them to be the views of SMS Management Technology. Except as required by law, SMS Management Technology does not represent, warrant and/or guarantee that the integrity of this communication has been maintained nor that the communication is free from errors, virus, interception or interference. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] IE8 news
The impact on XP is similar. Those not opting to allow WGA installation or attempt it but fail cannot upgrade from IE6. http://www.infoworld.com/archives/emailPrint.jsp?R=printThisA=/article/08/01/17/Microsoft-warns-businesses-of-autoupdate-to-IE7_1.html I agree with you on W2K, but XP users can now upgrade to IE7 without having to have the WGA stuff and apparently this is being forced through auto-update so there should be a noticeable drop in IE6 users. Ben -- e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] w: http://bendodson.com/ On 06/03/2008, Felix Miata [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 2008/03/06 20:09 (GMT) Ben Dodson apparently typed: My main hope is that the number of IE6 users will decrease rapidly as there are still over 20% of the market according to the W3C statistics. Apparently Microsoft were going to do a forced upgrade from IE6 to IE7 at the end of Feb but I don't know how well that has gone (or if it has at all). IE6 won't be going away before W2K goes away, unless IE7 and/or IE8 is released for W2K. Last I checked, WGA didn't apply to W2K, leaving it as the only supported yet readily pirate-able doz version. The impact on XP is similar. Those not opting to allow WGA installation or attempt it but fail cannot upgrade from IE6. -- Let us not love with words or in talk only. Let us love by what we do. 1 John 3:18 NLV Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://mrmazda.no-ip.com/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] SEO, fact or fiction
I don't really understand your question. On Thu, Mar 6, 2008 at 8:59 AM, Michael Horowitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What are the SEO issues in web standards? Michael Horowitz Your Computer Consultant http://yourcomputerconsultant.com 561-394-9079 Keith Steinacher wrote: What I meant by 1 set fee was I'll get you top rankings on all search engines and fix all your woes for $99.99!! Charging by the page or per hour (as I do it) is more legitimate. Some projects you can't really charge by the page though. I have one client who's site has 600,000 pages or more. I'm not going to go through it page by page. At that point it becomes necessary to make the SEO of a site more dynamic. While anyone can learn how to do SEO from a book or an online class, it doesn't necessary mean that they can take your site (of any size) and make it number 1 for a canned fee. Anyone that tells you that is not to be trusted. On Wed, Mar 5, 2008 at 6:07 PM, dwain [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 3/4/08, *Keith Steinacher* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I wouldn't pay much attention to anyone that says they can solve all of your site's problems for 1 set fee. why not? i charge by the page and do the seo myself. there's a free class at: http://www.gnc-web-creations.com/seo-optimization.htm dwain -- dwain alford The artist may use any form which his expression demands; for his inner impulse must find suitable expression. Kandinsky *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- Keith Steinacher Chief Bottle-Washer *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- Keith Steinacher Chief Bottle-Washer *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
[WSG] Wanted: PHP Freelancer in Canberra
Wanted: PHP Freelancer in Canberra Wanted: PHP Freelancer in Canberra to work with professional web designer on small occasional projects. Will need to adapt existing websites, and create aspects for new websites, such as forms and MySQL databases. Javascript skills a distinct advantage. Please phone to discuss details: Darryl Butler, Itchybrain Productions, 0403 793 422. http://www.itchybrain.com.au *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] SEO, fact or fiction
Hi Michael, I take the perspective that a site built to web standards provides a framework for content which doesn't have any 'points' deducted from it. SEO in my experience is divided up into the main sections 1) inbound links and references 2) linking structure 3) page build quality 4) content 1 and 4 are unfortunately, 'King' (we've all heard that content is king, but inbound links certainly count for as much on Google). If you imaging a point scale where the search engine gives points based on content, and then takes them away based on the problems or inadequacies with a website build (i.e. home page not linked to as /, no lang=en/fr/etc tag, links in tables instead of ul's or a separate div), you have the manner in which web standards affect SEO issues. As such, there should be no SEO issues in a standards- compliant website - think of google as a plain text reader where the content:code ratio should be as high as possible. Other issues include not using ?id as a query string as this is how google did it, so a lot fail to rank if you don't use ?pid/?cid etc, and suchlike, but I'd say these are more language-based or protocol based and that's a pretty small niche in web standards. I feel that more on the subject would take my response away from Web Standards, so feel free to contact me off-list if you want to discuss further. best wishes, John Hancock Identity [EMAIL PROTECTED] t: +61 2 8012 2967 f: +61 2 9799 6135 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] SEO, fact or fiction
Hi Keith, I suspect that Michael may be inferring that SEO is not a fit and proper subject for the WSG list. I'm happy either way - it isn't strictly web standards per se, but neither is IE8 Beta's underperformance, and I am glad to learn about both without subscribing to other lists. Moderaptor call I guess :) Cheers, Andrew Andrew Boyd Consultant SMS Management Technology M 0413 048 542 T +61 2 6279 7100 F +61 2 6279 7101 [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] About SMS: Ground Floor, 8 Brindabella Circuit, CANBERRA AIRPORT ACT 2609 www.smsmt.comhttps://magellan.smsmt.com/exchweb/bin/redir.asp?URL=http://www.smsmt.com/ SMS Management Technology (SMS) [ASX:SMX] is Australia's largest, publicly listed Management Services company. We solve complex problems and transform business through Consulting, People and Technology From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Keith Steinacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, 7 March 2008 1:36 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] SEO, fact or fiction I don't really understand your question. On Thu, Mar 6, 2008 at 8:59 AM, Michael Horowitz [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What are the SEO issues in web standards? Michael Horowitz Your Computer Consultant http://yourcomputerconsultant.com 561-394-9079 Keith Steinacher wrote: What I meant by 1 set fee was I'll get you top rankings on all search engines and fix all your woes for $99.99!! Charging by the page or per hour (as I do it) is more legitimate. Some projects you can't really charge by the page though. I have one client who's site has 600,000 pages or more. I'm not going to go through it page by page. At that point it becomes necessary to make the SEO of a site more dynamic. While anyone can learn how to do SEO from a book or an online class, it doesn't necessary mean that they can take your site (of any size) and make it number 1 for a canned fee. Anyone that tells you that is not to be trusted. On Wed, Mar 5, 2008 at 6:07 PM, dwain [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 3/4/08, *Keith Steinacher* [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I wouldn't pay much attention to anyone that says they can solve all of your site's problems for 1 set fee. why not? i charge by the page and do the seo myself. there's a free class at: http://www.gnc-web-creations.com/seo-optimization.htm dwain -- dwain alford The artist may use any form which his expression demands; for his inner impulse must find suitable expression. Kandinsky *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- Keith Steinacher Chief Bottle-Washer *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- Keith Steinacher Chief Bottle-Washer *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** NOTICE - This communication is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking any action in reliance on, this communication by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient of this communication please delete and destroy all copies and telephone SMS Management Technology on 9696 0911 immediately. Any views expressed in this Communication are those of the individual sender, except where the sender specifically states them to be the views of SMS Management Technology. Except as required by law, SMS Management Technology does not represent, warrant and/or guarantee that the
Re: [WSG] SEO, fact or fiction
BTW out of curiosity I googled and SEO firm someone I know used and the firm wasn't in the top 10 ranking it claimed it could put its customers in. Did see a good article on it though *What's an SEO? Does Google recommend working with companies that offer to make my site Google-friendly? * http://www.google.com/support/webmasters/bin/answer.py?hl=enanswer=35291 Michael Horowitz Your Computer Consultant http://yourcomputerconsultant.com 561-394-9079 Andrew Boyd wrote: Hi Keith, I suspect that Michael may be inferring that SEO is not a fit and proper subject for the WSG list. I'm happy either way - it isn't strictly web standards per se, but neither is IE8 Beta's underperformance, and I am glad to learn about both without subscribing to other lists. Moderaptor call I guess :) Cheers, Andrew *Andrew Boyd *Consultant *SMS Management Technology* M 0413 048 542 T +61 2 6279 7100 F +61 2 6279 7101 [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *About SMS: *Ground Floor, 8 Brindabella Circuit, CANBERRA AIRPORT ACT 2609 www.smsmt.com https://magellan.smsmt.com/exchweb/bin/redir.asp?URL=http://www.smsmt.com/ SMS Management Technology (SMS) [ASX:SMX] is Australia's largest, publicly listed Management Services company. We solve complex problems and transform business through Consulting, People and Technology *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Keith Steinacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] *Sent:* Friday, 7 March 2008 1:36 PM *To:* wsg@webstandardsgroup.org *Subject:* Re: [WSG] SEO, fact or fiction I don't really understand your question. On Thu, Mar 6, 2008 at 8:59 AM, Michael Horowitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What are the SEO issues in web standards? Michael Horowitz Your Computer Consultant http://yourcomputerconsultant.com 561-394-9079 Keith Steinacher wrote: What I meant by 1 set fee was I'll get you top rankings on all search engines and fix all your woes for $99.99!! Charging by the page or per hour (as I do it) is more legitimate. Some projects you can't really charge by the page though. I have one client who's site has 600,000 pages or more. I'm not going to go through it page by page. At that point it becomes necessary to make the SEO of a site more dynamic. While anyone can learn how to do SEO from a book or an online class, it doesn't necessary mean that they can take your site (of any size) and make it number 1 for a canned fee. Anyone that tells you that is not to be trusted. On Wed, Mar 5, 2008 at 6:07 PM, dwain [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 3/4/08, *Keith Steinacher* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I wouldn't pay much attention to anyone that says they can solve all of your site's problems for 1 set fee. why not? i charge by the page and do the seo myself. there's a free class at: http://www.gnc-web-creations.com/seo-optimization.htm dwain -- dwain alford The artist may use any form which his expression demands; for his inner impulse must find suitable expression. Kandinsky *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- Keith Steinacher Chief Bottle-Washer *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- Keith Steinacher Chief Bottle-Washer *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [WSG] SEO, fact or fiction
Hi Michael, I suspect that there is some connection. Taken broadly, if SEO is done badly (i.e. SEO optimised templates produced without a lot of thought and keyword over-rich content) then it certainly gets in the way of the basic business of human beings filling a human need - and if that is not what web standards are trying to guarantee, then I'm not sure what they are :) Cheers, Andrew Andrew Boyd Consultant SMS Management Technology M 0413 048 542 T +61 2 6279 7100 F +61 2 6279 7101 [EMAIL PROTECTED] About SMS: Ground Floor, 8 Brindabella Circuit, CANBERRA AIRPORT ACT 2609 www.smsmt.com SMS Management Technology (SMS) [ASX:SMX] is Australia's largest, publicly listed Management Services company. We solve complex problems and transform business through Consulting, People and Technology From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Horowitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, 7 March 2008 2:53 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] SEO, fact or fiction Not trying to infer anything. I really was wondering how standard affect SEO. I tend to focus on content and using keywords in the natural presentation of the page info and strongly looking for sites that can interconnect legitimately. But didn't know how or if web standards played a part in this or not. Michael Horowitz Your Computer Consultant http://yourcomputerconsultant.com 561-394-9079 Andrew Boyd wrote: Hi Keith, I suspect that Michael may be inferring that SEO is not a fit and proper subject for the WSG list. I'm happy either way - it isn't strictly web standards per se, but neither is IE8 Beta's underperformance, and I am glad to learn about both without subscribing to other lists. Moderaptor call I guess :) Cheers, Andrew *Andrew Boyd *Consultant *SMS Management Technology* M 0413 048 542 T +61 2 6279 7100 F +61 2 6279 7101 [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *About SMS: *Ground Floor, 8 Brindabella Circuit, CANBERRA AIRPORT ACT 2609 www.smsmt.com https://magellan.smsmt.com/exchweb/bin/redir.asp?URL=http://www.smsmt.com/ SMS Management Technology (SMS) [ASX:SMX] is Australia's largest, publicly listed Management Services company. We solve complex problems and transform business through Consulting, People and Technology *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Keith Steinacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] *Sent:* Friday, 7 March 2008 1:36 PM *To:* wsg@webstandardsgroup.org *Subject:* Re: [WSG] SEO, fact or fiction I don't really understand your question. On Thu, Mar 6, 2008 at 8:59 AM, Michael Horowitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What are the SEO issues in web standards? Michael Horowitz Your Computer Consultant http://yourcomputerconsultant.com 561-394-9079 Keith Steinacher wrote: What I meant by 1 set fee was I'll get you top rankings on all search engines and fix all your woes for $99.99!! Charging by the page or per hour (as I do it) is more legitimate. Some projects you can't really charge by the page though. I have one client who's site has 600,000 pages or more. I'm not going to go through it page by page. At that point it becomes necessary to make the SEO of a site more dynamic. While anyone can learn how to do SEO from a book or an online class, it doesn't necessary mean that they can take your site (of any size) and make it number 1 for a canned fee. Anyone that tells you that is not to be trusted. On Wed, Mar 5, 2008 at 6:07 PM, dwain [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 3/4/08, *Keith Steinacher* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I wouldn't pay much attention to anyone that says they can solve all of your site's problems for 1 set fee. why not? i charge by the page and do the seo myself. there's a free class at: http://www.gnc-web-creations.com/seo-optimization.htm dwain -- dwain alford The artist may use any form which his expression demands; for his inner impulse must find suitable expression. Kandinsky *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [WSG] SEO, fact or fiction
Hello Michael, Accessibility is far more important to SEO than most standards, affecting SEO directly, that is. Think of Googlebot as a blind user and you can see why I mention accessibility. I have gotten emails before, filled with promises of being number one on Google (but under what search terms wasn't specified). It's crap. Some of those spam blogs and send bulk emails. Many can't be found on searches themselves so what good they would do for me is highly suspect. I delete those emails. Legit or not I see it as spam. Natural, ethical SEO is best: 1) Good use of (page name first) titles. 2) Make sure your site is accessible (*standards required here). 3) Interesting, well-written content. Offer something. 4) Concise meta descriptions. 5) Give it time and your steady effort. Price for that advice: Free. Cheers. Mike Cherim http://green-beast.com/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] IE8 news
How many time you guys think that will take to at least 70% of ie7 users update their browsers? I estimate 2/half years ... anyone can predict? probably longer. when I look at the server logs here I still see almost as many IE6 users as IE7 users. (the server logs are from a public events/nightlife website which gets a pretty diverse range of people visiting it) How often does the average person (who is not a developer, designer or 'early adopter') bother to upgrade their browser? ...especially when upgrading a browser often means waiting for a very large download, having to wait for a reboot afterwoods and often breaking or removing their existing browser. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
