Re: [WSG] Re: ARIA

2008-08-10 Thread David Dorward
On 10 Aug 2008, at 23:49, Hassan Schroeder wrote: David Dorward wrote: (Obviously you have to validate against a DTD that includes ARIA features) Right, and the only thing I could find relating to this was: This is a public identifier that I've never heard of ... "http://www.w3.org

Re: [WSG] Re: ARIA

2008-08-10 Thread Hassan Schroeder
David Dorward wrote: Anyone know when the W3C validator will support it? :-) (Obviously you have to validate against a DTD that includes ARIA features) Right, and the only thing I could find relating to this was: http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-strict.dtd";> :: which the validato

Re: [WSG] Re: ARIA

2008-08-10 Thread David Dorward
On 10 Aug 2008, at 23:09, Hassan Schroeder wrote: David Storey wrote: HTML4 and XHTML1 are the here and now. WAI_ARIA was retrofitted from XHTML2 (I believe) to HTML so that it could be used right away. All major browser vendors support it now, once IE8 comes out. Anyone know when the

Re: [WSG] Re: ARIA

2008-08-10 Thread Hassan Schroeder
David Storey wrote: HTML4 and XHTML1 are the here and now. WAI_ARIA was retrofitted from XHTML2 (I believe) to HTML so that it could be used right away. All major browser vendors support it now, once IE8 comes out. Anyone know when the W3C validator will support it? :-) -- Hassan Schroed

Re: [WSG] Re: ARIA

2008-08-10 Thread David Storey
On 10 Aug 2008, at 11:53, James Jeffery wrote: Progressive enhancement and accessibility. Hmmm. I am not sure about this, I thought accessibility was about providing access to websites from all angles, not progressivly enhancing access to users with more up to date technology or browsers.

[WSG] Re: ARIA

2008-08-10 Thread Laura Carlson
Progressive enhancement and accessibility. Hmmm. I am not sure about this There's a slight difference between progressive enhancement techniques and graceful degradation. Graceful degradation, tends to be that you try to do everything with the scripting and fall back if you can, whereas progr

Re: [WSG] Re: ARIA

2008-08-10 Thread James Jeffery
Progressive enhancement and accessibility. Hmmm. I am not sure about this, I thought accessibility was about providing access to websites from all angles, not progressivly enhancing access to users with more up to date technology or browsers. Would it not be better to include ARIA markup in HTML5

[WSG] Re: ARIA

2008-08-10 Thread Laura Carlson
What about browsers that don't support ARIA markup? Graceful degradation (if the page is well written). Or progressive enhancement. Some references: http://www.d.umn.edu/goto/javascript#access A good intro to WAI ARIA by Gez Lemon: http://dev.opera.com/articles/view/introduction-to-wai-aria/