Re: [WSG] breaks, lists in a form or not, and more or less divs

2009-12-06 Thread Ben Buchanan 
In case of a poem, if I place every verse in a paragraph, what do I do with
> each line of text in the verse? Is this one of the very few occasions to use
> breaks? A verse doesn't seem a list to me... or is it? I like your opinion.
>

This one has been debated a few times and it seems to come down to two
common suggestions; paragraphs + breaks, or pre. I think both are fine,
although I prefer paragraphs and breaks unless the poem has particularly
significant formatting which requires pre.

So, in order of preference...


First line of poem
Middle line of poem
Last line of poem

Semantically fine, since the meaning relies on line breaks and I'm happy to
consider each verse as a paragraph.

Or..


The author put this line over here
  but this one here
this one way over here
  ...and the form and layout is part of the poem's message


(hopefully that whitespace will survive ;)). Semantically ok as the content
is "preformatted". It's not strong semantics but there's not much else to
work with and it gets the job done.



> In the very few tutorials I have seen about how to markup a form
> semantically, both were using  a list in the form. To me that seems totally
> unneccessary plus too much markup. Does anyone know what can be the reason
> of doing it that way?
>

Some people feel that each line of the form is the next step in a list of
items to be filled out, and also to make the grouping clear; others are
simply being pragmatic about the need for something to work with for style.
I'm sure there will be other reasons too. It's not required, but I don't
think it's a "bad" technique.

Personally I'm quite comfortable putting each line of a form into a div (for
complex forms you need *something*); but I tend to use fieldset+legend to
ensure the grouping is obvious.

Hope that helps :)

cheers,
Ben


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Re: [ADMIN] OFF TOPIC - CLOSED Items for Sale Re: [WSG] breaks, lists in a form or not, and more or less divs

2009-12-06 Thread Paco Lira 
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[ADMIN] OFF TOPIC - CLOSED Items for Sale Re: [WSG] breaks, lists in a form or not, and more or less divs

2009-12-06 Thread Lea de Groot 
im having a out of business sale , my partner ship finish and im going 
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Re: [WSG] breaks, lists in a form or not, and more or less divs

2009-12-06 Thread Paco Lira 
hello everybody,

im having a out of business sale , my partner ship finish and im going on my
own but we ened to sell the equipment.



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   Specs:

   G5 Quad Core 2.5 =  4 x 2.5 Processing power

   Ram = 16GB  (two months old)

   HDD = Brand New Samsung TB (1000GB) x2

   Optional 2x(Samsung 22" ultra sharp)
   2. Canon 500D with 18-55mm
   3. Canon 18-135mm
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Re: [WSG] breaks, lists in a form or not, and more or less divs

2009-12-06 Thread Chris F.A. Johnson 
On Sun, 6 Dec 2009, Frances de Waal wrote:

> Hi there,
> 
> May I ask your opinion about some semantic/HTML basics?
> 
> In case of a poem, if I place every verse in a paragraph, what do I do with
> each line of text in the verse? Is this one of the very few occasions to use
> breaks? A verse doesn't seem a list to me... or is it? I like your opinion.
> 
> In the very few tutorials I have seen about how to markup a form semantically,
> both were using  a list in the form. To me that seems totally unneccessary
> plus too much markup. Does anyone know what can be the reason of doing it that
> way?
> 
> InContextEditing, the online CMS from Adobe, needs a extra div for every
> editable region. This makes me avoiding the tool. Some keep saying that extra
> divs don't make any difference to a page at all. I agree they have no meaning
> semantically, but they do create extra code which is not neccessary for the
> content. But then again, we don't talk about 100 divs here. So, besides of
> best practice, is there any place where the extra divs may have bad influence?

   I would use :


In Xanadu did Kubla Khan
A stately pleasure-dome decree:
Where Alph, the sacred river, ran
Through caverns measureless to man
Down to a sunless sea.


pre.poem
{
 font-family: , serif;
}

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[WSG] breaks, lists in a form or not, and more or less divs

2009-12-06 Thread Frances de Waal 

Hi there,

May I ask your opinion about some semantic/HTML basics?

In case of a poem, if I place every verse in a paragraph, what do I do  
with each line of text in the verse? Is this one of the very few  
occasions to use breaks? A verse doesn't seem a list to me... or is  
it? I like your opinion.


In the very few tutorials I have seen about how to markup a form  
semantically, both were using  a list in the form. To me that seems  
totally unneccessary plus too much markup. Does anyone know what can  
be the reason of doing it that way?


InContextEditing, the online CMS from Adobe, needs a extra div for  
every editable region. This makes me avoiding the tool. Some keep  
saying that extra divs don't make any difference to a page at all. I  
agree they have no meaning semantically, but they do create extra code  
which is not neccessary for the content. But then again, we don't talk  
about 100 divs here. So, besides of best practice, is there any place  
where the extra divs may have bad influence?


Frances de Waal
www.waalweb.nl


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[WSG] internet explorer 8 font problems

2009-12-06 Thread Marvin Hunkin 
hi.
well installed internet explorer 8.
and have code my style sheet.
and it does not tell me the font name.
in the headings, lists, etc.
and have coded my style sheet and my html page correctly.
so can any one help me out.
will paste my style sheet.
and please help me out.
will paste below the sheet, the html page and the internet explorer window.
also in the list does not say left aligned, which i coded.
never had this trouble in ie 7.
so wonder if it is a jaws or ie 8 problem.
if the browser is the problem.
then will have to write to ms.
can any one help.
the site is the one i posted a few weeks ago.
at http://rallfaerer.com/joe_html/
or do a search for that on google.
trying to do the address off memory.
now will paste below.
can any one help.
and with the sheet.
if need to make any modificiations or changes let me know.
cheers Marvin.

p.first:first-letter
{
text-transform:capitalize;
font-style: italic;
}
body
{
font: 100%/1.4 "Helvetica Neue", Arial, sans-serif; <-- :: add
background: #fff;
}
.left { float: left; padding: 0 8px 8px 0; }
.clear {clear: left; }
h1
{
text-align: center;
}
h2
{
text-align: center;
}
a:link
{
color: #008000;
}
a:visited
{
color: #22bb22;
}
div#links a span
{
display: none;
}
div#links a:hover span
{
display: block;
position: absolute;
top: 350px;
left: 5px;
width: 100px;
text-decoration: none;
}
a:hover
{
background-color: #006400;
color: #FF;
}
a:active
{
color: #FF;
text-decoration: none;
}
#banner
{
text-align: center;
 }
#content
{
margin-left: 10px;
margin-right:10px;
voice-family: "\"}\"";
voice-family: inherit;
margin-left: 131px;
margin-right:131px;
 }
html>body #content {
margin-left: 10px;
margin-right:10px;
 }
 #nav
{
position: absolute;
left: 10px;
top: 100px;
width: 100px;
text-align: center;
}
#wrapper { width: 960px; background-color: #fff; margin: 10px auto 0 auto;}
#banner_new { text-align: center; }
#navigation { margin: 10px; overflow: hidden;}
#navigation li { display:block; float:left; }
#navigation li a { display:block; float:left; background: 
url(../images/nav_banana.png) no-repeat top left; padding: 0 16px 20px 
32px;}
#navigation li a { display:block; float:left; background: transparent; 
padding: 0 16px 20px 0;}
#main_content { margin: 10px;}
.specials { float: left; width: 470px; height: 250px;  }
.specials img {float: left; padding: 10px;}
#footer { margin: 10px; overflow: hidden; }
#footer li { display:block; float:left; }
#footer li a { display:block; float:left; background: 
url(../images/nav_banana.png) no-repeat top left; padding: 0 16px 20px 
32px;}

http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-transitional.dtd";>
http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml";>


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Delicious champignon mushrooms, perfect for the French cooking you do so 
well.
$3.99 / kg.

Strawberries
Punnet of hydroponics strawberries. Exquisite taste, mouth watering; perfect 
with French vanilla ice-cream.
$2.99 a Punnet.

Tomatoes
Hydroponics tomatoes, vine ripened, juicy and red: they taste like 
old-fashioned tomatoes your mother used to serve!
$7.99 a tray (approx. 3 kg).



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