RE: [WSG] lining up in different browsers
Hi, Designer
Just a thought: why don't you give names like mainMenu and
copyRgt (semantic) to your classes instead of names based on layout?
Angela
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Envoyé : jeudi 22 janvier 2009 15:12
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Objet : Re: [WSG] lining up in different browsers
Hi,
Can you try by this,
div id=footer
span class=lefta href=core/core.html
main menu
/a/span
span class=rightweb site Copyright ©
a href=http://www.gwelanmor-internet.co.uk; class=newwin
target=_blank title=opens in new window
Gwelanmor Internet 2009
/a
/span
/div
style
#footer {
border-top : 1px solid #aaa;
font-size : 90%;
height : 30px;
padding : 5px 0px;
}
.right { float:right}
.left { float:left}
#footer span{}
#footer a:link { color : #930; text-decoration : none;}
#footer a:hover { color : #F00; background : #fff; text-decoration :
underline;}
/style
By,
Hariharan
On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 7:07 PM, designer
desig...@gwelanmor-internet.co.ukmailto:desig...@gwelanmor-internet.co.uk
wrote:
I want to line up two links at either side of a horizontal bar. The html is
as follows:
div id=footer
a href=core/core.html
main menu
/a
span class=rightweb site Copyright ©
a href=http://www.gwelanmor-internet.co.uk; class=newwin
target=_blank title=opens in new window
Gwelanmor Internet 2009
/a
/span
/div
(class=right just floats it to the right, of course)
and the css is:
#footer {
border-top : 1px solid #aaa;
font-size : 90%;
height : 30px;
padding : 5px 0px;
}
#footer a:link { color : #930; text-decoration : none;}
#footer a:hover { color : #F00; background : #fff; text-decoration : underline;}
with an IE6 conditional comment:
#footer span{position : relative; top : -15px;}
However, whilst it solves the problem of alignment for IE, safari and Opera
fail miserably. I cannot find a documented method of doing this, but I'm sure
one of you wizards have done it already?
Any help gratefully recd, as usual.
Bob
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RE: [WSG] lining up in different browsers
Indeed... :-) I'm always inclined to make style names short
Cheers!
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Envoyé : jeudi 22 janvier 2009 15:39
À : wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Objet : Re: [WSG] lining up in different browsers
Isn't copyRgt based on layout as well?? Also to be more semantic -
copyRight would be better if you were to name that way.
Ricci Angela wrote:
Hi, Designer
Just a thought: why don't you give names like
mainMenu and copyRgt (semantic) to your classes instead of names
based on layout?
Angela
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[mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] *De la part de* hariharan k
*Envoyé :* jeudi 22 janvier 2009 15:12
*À :* wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
*Objet :* Re: [WSG] lining up in different browsers
Hi,
Can you try by this,
div id=footer
span class=lefta href=core/core.html
main menu
/a/span
span class=rightweb site Copyright ©
a href=http://www.gwelanmor-internet.co.uk; class=newwin
target=_blank title=opens in new window
Gwelanmor Internet 2009
/a
/span
/div
style
#footer {
border-top : 1px solid #aaa;
font-size : 90%;
height : 30px;
padding : 5px 0px;
}
.right { float:right}
.left { float:left}
#footer span{}
#footer a:link { color : #930; text-decoration : none;}
#footer a:hover { color : #F00; background : #fff; text-decoration
: underline;}
/style
By,
Hariharan
On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 7:07 PM, designer
desig...@gwelanmor-internet.co.uk
mailto:desig...@gwelanmor-internet.co.uk wrote:
I want to line up two links at either side of a horizontal bar. The
html is as follows:
div id=footer
a href=core/core.html
main menu
/a
span class=rightweb site Copyright ©
a href=http://www.gwelanmor-internet.co.uk; class=newwin
target=_blank title=opens in new window
Gwelanmor Internet 2009
/a
/span
/div
(class=right just floats it to the right, of course)
and the css is:
#footer {
border-top : 1px solid #aaa;
font-size : 90%;
height : 30px;
padding : 5px 0px;
}
#footer a:link { color : #930; text-decoration : none;}
#footer a:hover { color : #F00; background : #fff; text-decoration
: underline;}
with an IE6 conditional comment:
#footer span{position : relative; top : -15px;}
However, whilst it solves the problem of alignment for IE, safari and
Opera fail miserably. I cannot find a documented method of doing
this, but I'm sure one of you wizards have done it already?
Any help gratefully recd, as usual.
Bob
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RE: [WSG] New Yorker Redesign
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[WSG] Accessibility law
Hi all, It's a bit out of topic so you can answer me off-list : I'm preparing a presentation about developping accessible Web applications and I'd appreciate to have a feed-back (infos, impressions, interesting links you know) about national accessibility laws defined in Germany and in Italy. I know there are some germans and italians on this list so if you're involved in accessibility, I thank you for your feedback! Cheers! Angela Ricci ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] Footer Navigation
Hi, Sarah By the accessibility point of view there's no problem in duplicating links on a page if you follow this simple rule: all similar links (links with same text) *must* point to the same pages. Cheers! Angela -Message d'origine- De : [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] la part de Sarah Peeke (XERT) Envoyé : vendredi 14 octobre 2005 06:51 À : WSG Objet : [WSG] Footer Navigation Hi all, I am interested to know what you think of duplicating navigation in the footer of a page. I have a client who has requested it, but I do not, as a rule, include duplicate links - I seem to recall there were some accessibility issues with duplicate navigation links for screen readers. What are the pros and cons regarding usability vs accessibility? Is there a relevant standard I could quote here? Thanks in advance Sarah :) -- XERT Communications email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] office: +61 2 4782 3104 mobile: 0438 017 416 http://www.xert.com.au/ web development : digital imaging : dvd production ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] Valid characters in ID attribute
Hi, Chris As from W3C: ID and NAME tokens must begin with a letter ([A-Za-z]) and may be followed by any number of letters, digits ([0-9]), hyphens (-), underscores (_), colons (:), and periods (.). But I'd avoid using underscore for id/class names... I've already had intermitent bugs with IE6 because of it (specially for links). Cheers, Angela -Message d'origine- De : [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] la part de Chris Taylor Envoyé : mardi 7 juin 2005 12:12 À : wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Objet : [WSG] Valid characters in ID attribute Hi, I'm writing a function to do all manner of clever stuff and need to create very complex ID attributes for links. As far as I know the only valid characters you can use in an ID (and as a class name, too) are: A-Z, a-z, 0-9, _, - Is that true? Are there any other valid characters that I can use in my IDs, without going the whole hog and creating a new DTD? Example of a link, just to make it clear which bit I mean: a href=index.html class=TheFunction id=TheFunction_%6237%6882/34_923%4623%4-234+6+3-2343Click here to run The Function/a Many thanks in advance Chris ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] the mysteries of float - i seek enlightenment
Hi, Scott You have to put your quote before all like : div class=pullquoteppull-quote text/p/div div class=sidebarpsidebar item 1. sidebar item 1. sidebar item 1. /p/div div class=sidebarpsidebar item 2. sidebar item 2. sidebar item 2. /p/div div id=content pUt labore et dolore magna aliqua. Ullamco laboris nisi lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, velit esse cillum dolore. Ut aliquip ex ea commodo consequat./p ... /div /div And give a width for your pullquote div. Cheers! Angela -Message d'origine- De : [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] la part de Scott Reston Envoyé : mercredi 25 mai 2005 16:51 À : wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Objet : [WSG] the mysteries of float - i seek enlightenment I've created a pared down example to illustrate a problem I'm having with floats. My confusion suggests that I'm missing some basic concept of how floats behave and I'm finding it frustrating... http://www.capstrat.com/development/test-float.html In this example, all code is wrapped with a containing div (yellow background). The two side-bar divs live (code-wise) just before the content div (dark grey backround), just inside the container div and are floated right. The pull-quote (violet background) is the first thing inside of the content div. I'm expecting this to look the way that IE renders it: sidebars to the right, pull-quoute in the upper-left corner of the content div. In Firefox, the pullquote drops within the content to clear the first sidebar. Why? Can someone give me a little guidance on this? Scott Reston Raleigh, NC, USA www.capstrat.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] the mysteries of float - i seek enlightenment
Scott, Sorry, I was too rushy. Don't move your quote. Just give it a width and float left your content div. -Message d'origine- De : [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] la part de Scott Reston Envoyé : mercredi 25 mai 2005 16:51 À : wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Objet : [WSG] the mysteries of float - i seek enlightenment I've created a pared down example to illustrate a problem I'm having with floats. My confusion suggests that I'm missing some basic concept of how floats behave and I'm finding it frustrating... http://www.capstrat.com/development/test-float.html In this example, all code is wrapped with a containing div (yellow background). The two side-bar divs live (code-wise) just before the content div (dark grey backround), just inside the container div and are floated right. The pull-quote (violet background) is the first thing inside of the content div. I'm expecting this to look the way that IE renders it: sidebars to the right, pull-quoute in the upper-left corner of the content div. In Firefox, the pullquote drops within the content to clear the first sidebar. Why? Can someone give me a little guidance on this? Scott Reston Raleigh, NC, USA www.capstrat.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] Awards / Endorsements for quality websites?
Hi, Siggy I know this site : http://cssvault.com/. It is a very good collection of GOOD CSS layout and design. Cheers Angela -Message d'origine- De : [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] la part de Sigurd Magnusson Envoyé : lundi 18 avril 2005 01:18 À : wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Objet : [WSG] Awards / Endorsements for quality websites? I was wondering if anyone knew of a popular sites to promote semanitc or compliant (or good in general) websites? Furthermore, if there was a site or an award that would be considered quite an achievement or endorsement for your work? I have submitted several items to www.w3cSites.com, however despite the fact that one of our submissions (our creativehq website) has been hand-picked to be featured on its homepage and therefore giving us alot of traffic, it seems that in general that sites submitted to w3csites are uninspiring--too much focus seems to go on design, rather than the coding, and very few items seem to be a truely commercial nature; I would suggest that the wirelessdataforum.org.nz website I mentioned a few weeks back is much more worthy that the creative-hq site which won, for example. (BTW, thanks to every one who commented on the wirelessforum site, much of your feedback is either now done, or before queued up to done over the forthcoming week.). Siggy ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] newspaper format
Hi, Giles Just because if you do, you do not really separate content from presentation... If you say that a title is red, 12px and you call it red12, after the site's redesign, for exemple, the title will be Black, 14px, bold and your style name obsolete. Instead, call it title... or, better, use Hx... (in the case of titles, of course). Cheers! Angela -Message d'origine- De : [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] la part de Giles Clark Envoyé : vendredi 15 avril 2005 13:54 À : wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Objet : RE: [WSG] newspaper format Patrick H. Lauke wrote: You should avoid presentational class names. May be overkill, but possibly opt for something like class=firstsection Just a quick question; Why should you avoid presentational class names? Giles ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] CSS Document layout/structure
Hi!
I always do the same: I group styles of the same nature, beggining by
redefining default values where it is needed, and then by page structure, main
blocks, navigation, forms, etc. And I always keep the same sequency for each
definition (first positionning, dimensions, font, background, margins...), for
exemple :
{
position: (or float)
width:
height:
font:
background:
border:
margin:
padding:
}
etc
I believe it helps a lot in consulting the css.
Cheers!
Angela
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Envoyé : jeudi 7 avril 2005 12:09
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Objet : RE: [WSG] CSS Document layout/structure
I normally write my css to follow the structure of the xhtml:
/* Main layout*/
...
...
/* Nav */
...
...
/* Sub nav */
...
...
/* Content */
...
...
/* Side Content */
...
...
/* Footer */
...
...
I also tend to split my css in different files.
structure.css - keep all structure css
Text.css - all text related formatting
Small.css - used in style switcher to set text to small
Medium.css - used in style switcher to set text to medium
Large.css - used in style switcher to set text to large
Hacks.css - any hacks I might use to help IE ;)
I am open to other methods or ways of doing this Let us have a chat
about this issue.
Kind Regards
Jacobus van Niekerk
Creative Consultant
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tel: + 27 21 982 7805
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Subject: [WSG] CSS Document layout/structure
Hi,
I am struggling to get to grips with designing with web standards and one of
the problems I am having is with reading style sheets.
Having sorted out the html code to make it more readable and modifiable it
seems that we have shifted the mess to style sheets. Many of the sheets I
look at are long, comment-less and very difficult to understand.
So that I don't fall into the same trap, can anyone recommend some reading
on how to make style sheet structure and layout both understandable and also
easily modified?
Thanks,
Charlie
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RE: [WSG] Site critique and problem - www.mondotron.com
Hi, Your layout is not extensible. If you have a 800x600 resolution, the pub banner goes underneath the Mondotron logo box, and you'll have a horizontal scroll. Make one of the columns width in percentage so its size will be adapted for the resolution. In boca al lupo ! Angela Ricci -Message d'origine- De : [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] la part de Mondo | Mondotron Envoyé : dimanche 27 février 2005 22:28 À : wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Objet : [WSG] Site critique and problem - www.mondotron.com Hi all Long term reader / first time poster - just about to launch a new site: http://www.mondotron.com and we'd appreciate any critique. The site enables users to generate free wallpaper/background images for phones/PDAs/messaging applications through the use of a Flash interface. Also, there's a small problem with Firefox 1.0 - a colleague gets a problem with a file upload button on the http://www.mondotron.com/design.php page, replicated at: http://www.mondotron.com/file-upload-button.gif The actual button appears as a small block - haven't been able to replicate it on other machines with same Firefox version. Thanks! Nettio ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] Is there any way to set the width of a file input field in Firefox?
Hi, Irina
Sorry, I misunderstood the problem (that's what happens when we read
too fast :-(
I've found something about styling input=file on
http://www.quirksmode.org/dom/inputfile.html.
I don't know the quality of the solution (I could not test it yet), but
it worths the try.
Good luck!
Angela
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Envoyé : jeudi 10 février 2005 13:14
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Objet : Re: [WSG] Is there any way to set the width of a file input
field in Firefox?
Angela,
Your suggestion is for input type=text. It does not work for input
type=file. See shots attached produced by the following style:
div#Attachment {width: 600px;background-color:yellow;border: 1px solid black;}
#txtAttachment {width:400px;background-color:red;text-align: right;}
Cheers, Irina.
On Fri, 4 Feb 2005 10:44:32 +0100, Ricci Angela
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Terrence
All you need to do is to give an id to the form field and define its
width on the CSS. It will work for all browers.
input type=text id=ffield /
CSS: #ffield {width: 100px;}
Cheers!
Ge RICCI
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Objet : Re: [WSG] Is there any way to set the width of a file input
field in Firefox?
Styling file input is inconsistent cross browser and platform here
is a work around:
http://www.quirksmode.org/dom/inputfile.html
Terrence Wood.
Irina Ahrens wrote:
Hello,
Does anybody knows how to set the width of a file input field in Firefox?
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RE: [WSG] Is there any way to set the width of a file input field in Firefox?
Terrence
All you need to do is to give an id to the form field and define its
width on the CSS. It will work for all browers.
input type=text id=ffield /
CSS: #ffield {width: 100px;}
Cheers!
Ge RICCI
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Envoyé : vendredi 4 février 2005 10:27
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Objet : Re: [WSG] Is there any way to set the width of a file input
field in Firefox?
Styling file input is inconsistent cross browser and platform here
is a work around:
http://www.quirksmode.org/dom/inputfile.html
Terrence Wood.
Irina Ahrens wrote:
Hello,
Does anybody knows how to set the width of a file input field in Firefox?
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RE: [WSG] Standards?
Hi, Bob There's so many ways to argue and defend the pros of doing XHTML and CSS layout! First, it reduces bandwidth, it saves time (and therefore money ;-) in maintenance and updating, it is flexible and reusable. Take a look at http://www.hotdesign.com/seybold/index.html. There's a very good and simple exposition of why using standards are a good thing (specially a part Go get your boss, that gives you the right arguments to explain that to your bosses). Good luck! Ge Ricci -Message d'origine- De : [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] la part de designer Envoy : mardi 1 fvrier 2005 10:58 : webstandards group Objet : [WSG] Standards? Good Day everyone: I have been doing the annual maintenance/update of a Holiday Home letting site I've had for a few years, so this year I attempted to convert it all to standards. It is now XHTML1 /CSS and most of it validates. (I say most because there is a bit of Flash and some of it uses frames). I have kept a couple of 'naughty' tables (as yet) because I simply haven't managed to convert to a stable/reliable alternative, but overall I was quite pleased with it. Anyway, as I had recently installed Firefox on the PC's in the office of this holiday business, I decided to show the owner how wonderful the update was [ :-) ]. I explained about standards to this (non-technical) person and, using Firefox developer's toolbar, I showed her the abysmal results of validating the sites of her competitors, and she was obviously pleased. She seemed to understand the basis of 'standards', but after a few minutes reflection she said: I can appreciate that I am getting a 'quality' product, but from a practical point of view, what am I getting that improves my business? As far as visitors to my site are concerned there seems to be no advantage - after all, my competitor's sites may well be outdated, but they do actually WORK, so my customers don't see any benefit. Thought I'd pass this on . . . :-) Bob McClelland, Cornwall (U.K.) www.gwelanmor-internet.co.uk ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
