[WSG] Fieldset and Legend
Hi, After reading the specification, it appears that the elements fieldset and legend are used to denote groups of related form fields. However, I can across the following code at surf the channel which appears to use it as a decorative element. Does the following usage, contradict the CSS specification? CK fieldset class=basic legendChoose a channel/legend ul class=channels lia href=/cat/61391.html title=Animals channelAnimals a class=rss-chan href=/rss/61391-latest.xml title=Animals channelnbsp;/a/a/li lia href=/cat/61477.html title=Anime channelAnime a class=rss-chan href=/rss/61477-latest.xml title=Anime channelnbsp;/a/a/li lia href=/cat/61392.html title=Art Animation channelArt amp; Animation a class=rss-chan href=/rss/61392-latest.xml title=Art Animation channelnbsp;/a/a/li lia href=/cat/61394.html title=Auto-Moto channelAuto-Moto a class=rss-chan href=/rss/61394-latest.xml title=Auto-Moto channelnbsp;/a/a/li lia href=/cat/61395.html title=College Education channelCollege amp; Education a class=rss-chan href=/rss/61395- latest.xml title=College Education channelnbsp;/a/a/li lia href=/cat/61396.html title=Culture and Style channelCulture and Style a class=rss-chan href=/rss/61396- latest.xml title=Culture and Style channelnbsp;/a/a/li lia href=/cat/61482.html title=Documentary channelDocumentary a class=rss-chan href=/rss/61482-latest.xml title=Documentary channelnbsp;/a/a/li lia href=/cat/61397.html title=Film Movies channelFilm amp; Movies a class=rss-chan href=/rss/61397-latest.xml title=Film Movies channelnbsp;/a/a/li lia href=/cat/61398.html title=Funny channelFunny a class=rss-chan href=/rss/61398-latest.xml title=Funny channelnbsp;/a/a/li lia href=/cat/61399.html title=Gaming channelGaming a class=rss-chan href=/rss/61399-latest.xml title=Gaming channelnbsp;/a/a/li lia href=/cat/61400.html title=Life Style channelLife amp; Style a class=rss-chan href=/rss/61400-latest.xml title=Life Style channelnbsp;/a/a/li lia href=/cat/61401.html title=Music channelMusic a class=rss-chan href=/rss/61401-latest.xml title=Music channelnbsp;/a/a/li lia href=/cat/61402.html title=News, Gossip Politics channelNews, Gossip amp; Politics a class=rss-chan href=/rss/ 61402-latest.xml title=News, Gossip Politics channelnbsp;/a/ a/li lia href=/cat/61403.html title=People Family channelPeople amp; Family a class=rss-chan href=/rss/61403-latest.xml title=People Family channelnbsp;/a/a/li lia href=/cat/61404.html title=Sports channelSports a class=rss-chan href=/rss/61404-latest.xml title=Sports channelnbsp;/a/a/li lia href=/cat/61405.html title=Tech Gaming channelTech amp; Gaming a class=rss-chan href=/rss/61405-latest.xml title=Tech Gaming channelnbsp;/a/a/li lia href=/cat/61406.html title=Television channelTelevision a class=rss-chan href=/rss/61406-latest.xml title=Television channelnbsp;/a/a/li lia href=/cat/61407.html title=Travel channelTravel a class=rss-chan href=/rss/61407-latest.xml title=Travel channelnbsp;/a/a/li lia href=/cat/61408.html title=Webcam Vlogs channelWebcam amp; Vlogs a class=rss-chan href=/rss/61408-latest.xml title=Webcam Vlogs channelnbsp;/a/a/li /ul /fieldset /div *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
[WSG] Time For a Table?
Hi, Would this group of link listhttp://archive.bushidodeep.com/theme_test/links.html be better served inside a table with headers? I've shied from tables for layout to the point of being unsure when they are needed. According to this article: http://www.smashingmagazine.com/2008/08/13/top-10-css-table-designs/ CK *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Browser toolbars
I'm all ears, please inform On May 4, 2009, at 4:39 PM, Andrew Maben wrote: BTW, has anyone come up with a bulletproof way to tell a client his stupid idea is stupid? Without losing the account? CK *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Firefox Ignoring Stylesheets
The following reply is from a forum where the problem was posted: After not being able to get this out of my head, I reproduced the page and put it up here; http://six03.com/lab/guardian After validating the page and placing the scripts in one js folder, it works. I think it was either the double quote at the end of the div (an error fixed by validating the page), the scripts not being current Question or the validation part, it appears to be okay now. I'll have to pinpoint the problem and see what was up. EDIT: I think it is a problem with the scripts. they're not all there (see source code for scripts) One even points to a 404. The invalid code makes no difference. On Apr 30, 2009, at 2:38 AM, Kay in t Veen wrote: That is real strange. i am on a mac and see the same thing. what about trying to do css import instead of including trough link meta? i think i did this at http://slipper-shop.nl/ On Apr 29, 2009, at 7:50 PM, CK wrote: Hi, Well aware this is not a Firefox forum, but FF 3.0.9 in OS X 10.5.6 is ignoring both print and screen stylesheets for the following: http://www.markboulton.co.uk/examples/guardian/ Has anyone a suggestion? CK *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
[WSG] Firefox Ignoring Stylesheets
Hi, Well aware this is not a Firefox forum, but FF 3.0.9 in OS X 10.5.6 is ignoring both print and screen stylesheets for the following: http://www.markboulton.co.uk/examples/guardian/ Has anyone a suggestion? CK *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Login/password app?
Hi, Browsing here should provide a solution, that can be customized and deconstructed for educational purposes. http://www.hotscripts.com/category/php/scripts-programs/ CK On Apr 29, 2009, at 5:01 PM, Benedict Wyss wrote: Hi Brooke, I used .htaccess as a way to control this aspect as a simple solution before you find a more robust one as needed. I suggest trying it out and see what you think. Option I = Manually put it together via a tutorial http://www.freewebmasterhelp.com/tutorials/htaccess/ Option II = htadmin a prepared solution = $5 http://www.htadmin.com/ After spending the wopping $5 a long time ago and saw later that it was also easy to replicate . depending on skill level. Cheers, On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 9:10 AM, Brooke Nelson brook...@gmail.com wrote: I need an app that will prompt users for a login and password to view a certain page. I will need a different login/password combo for each user. I know that there is likely a simple solution to this, but I haven't needed anything like this before. Is there any easy PHP-based script to use? Basically, I would like a little form with a username and password field that when entered correctly will reveal or direct users to another page. Thanks in advance for your help! If it matters, my site is hosted on an Apache/Linux server. Thanks, Brooke *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** -- Web Master Western Creek Soccer Club *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Box model in IE7
Hi,
Would you elaborate on why the CSS rule invalidates the article? As it
appears the authors explanation is sound.
html {
font-size: 62.5%;
}
CK
On Apr 23, 2009, at 11:28 AM, Chris F.A. Johnson wrote:
On Thu, 23 Apr 2009, Christopher Kennon wrote:
S,
See this article from Links for light Reading scrolling down a
bit you'll
find a JS solution that may prove useful:
Why Programmers Suck at CSS Design
http://www.betaversion.org/~stefano/linotype/news/169/
That article ceased to be credible as soon as I saw:
My suggestion for you is to do the following: start your CSS
stylesheet with
html {
font-size: 62.5%;
}
On Apr 22, 2009, at 4:18 PM, Stevio wrote:
Is the box model in IE7 still messed up? I thought they sorted it?
It is fixed in standards mode, but I think it uses the broken model
in quirks mode.
I am floating a div to the right with a width of 50%. The div to
the left
has a right margin of 50%. I've put a 1px solid border on both of
them. In
IE7 there is a gap between them but in Firefox they are right
against each
other.
Go figure?
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Re: [WSG] Box model in IE7 Font Sizes
Hi,
The following excerpt from the aforementioned article appears to
account for the IE issue.
--From The
Article--
Em vs. Px
We can talk about this forever, but you probably don’t care. My
suggestion for you is to do the following: start your CSS stylesheet
with
html {
font-size: 62.5%;
}
This apparently bizarre number brings your standard font size so that
1em = 10px (This is because the default size for ‘medium’ text in all
modern browsers is 16px). And from that point on, you can easily use
‘em’ all over your stylesheet, even if you wanted to use pixels,
simply by dividing by 10.
This doesn’t mean that pixels have no use: I tend to use pixels for
things like borders and for padding/margin of images that have fixed
sizes. But never for fonts or for padding/margins around text.
It all boils down to this: using ems will make your life a lot easier
when dealing with cross-browser and cross-OS font rendering issues, so
stick with that and be consistent throughout your CSS design and
you’ll skip all sort of pain later.
On Apr 23, 2009, at 5:12 PM, Brett Patterson wrote:
I have always been told to use something along the lines of either
body { font-size: 100%; /* a fix for internet explorer */ } because
of the way IE reads/sizes font. Starting out with html at only 62.5%
font-sizing would completely mess up IE and the font in the browser
would it not?
--
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On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 7:56 PM, CK jobs@bushidodeep.com wrote:
Hi,
Would you elaborate on why the CSS rule invalidates the article? As
it appears the authors explanation is sound.
html {
font-size: 62.5%;
}
CK
On Apr 23, 2009, at 11:28 AM, Chris F.A. Johnson wrote:
On Thu, 23 Apr 2009, Christopher Kennon wrote:
S,
See this article from Links for light Reading scrolling down a bit
you'll
find a JS solution that may prove useful:
Why Programmers Suck at CSS Design
http://www.betaversion.org/~stefano/linotype/news/169/
That article ceased to be credible as soon as I saw:
My suggestion for you is to do the following: start your CSS
stylesheet with
html {
font-size: 62.5%;
}
On Apr 22, 2009, at 4:18 PM, Stevio wrote:
Is the box model in IE7 still messed up? I thought they sorted it?
It is fixed in standards mode, but I think it uses the broken model
in quirks mode.
I am floating a div to the right with a width of 50%. The div to the
left
has a right margin of 50%. I've put a 1px solid border on both of
them. In
IE7 there is a gap between them but in Firefox they are right
against each
other.
Go figure?
--
Chris F.A. Johnson, webmaster http://woodbine-gerrard.com
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[WSG] Site Check
http://working.bushidodeep.com/kevon/index.html Could use a once over for this site. any suggestions are welcome. CK *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Site Check
Hi, How does CSS z-index and flash commingle, or does the solution rest with scripting? CK On Dec 20, 2007, at 3:15 PM, Adam Martin wrote: Sorry, I just checked again and see you have done that - the problem is the video. On Dec 21, 2007 8:30 AM, CK [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://working.bushidodeep.com/kevon/index.html Could use a once over for this site. any suggestions are welcome. CK *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- - http://myfitness.ning.com A community of people that care about their health and fitness Free fitness videos, recipes, blogs, photos etc. -- *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
[WSG] Site Check-YBF
Hi All, Could use a site check(http://working.bushidodeep.com/impress/ybf/ index.html). Mostly cross-browser display. Doing my best to migrate previous code and client to Standards. Any suggestions for changes under-the-hood are welcome. I would like to focus on text-resizing without breaking the design, and readable font-size, without gigantism. Best Wishes, Chris *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Template Review URL
Hi, Your solution is greatly appreciated. When time permits, would you elaborate on your solution, explaining in detail why your changes are so admirably stable? Also, do you have a compliment of browsers, or using Browsercam.com? Respectfully, CK On Nov 23, 2007, at 12:52 PM, David Laakso wrote: CK wrote: http://working.bushidodeep.com/impress/ybf/ybf.html The address of the code would probably aid my query :) CK I regret the page is not performing as you intend in IE6 and IE7 and has a little difficulty in all browsers with font-scaling. FWIW, a structurally different version is here: http://www.chelseacreekstudio.com/ca/cssd/cj.html Cursory tested at text-size largest in IE6 IE7; and, at +3 in compliant browsers. Best, ~dL -- http://chelseacreekstudio.com/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Template Review URL
David, Sincere thanks again, standards is not easy, but worth the effort. Having this list is a great educational experience. Also the (Whatever:hover is free software) is a welcomed addition. CK On Nov 24, 2007, at 10:52 AM, David Laakso wrote: CK wrote: Your solution is greatly appreciated. When time permits, would you elaborate on your solution, explaining in detail why your changes are so admirably stable? Also, do you have a compliment of browsers, or using Browsercam.com? CK http://working.bushidodeep.com/impress/ybf/ybf.html The address of the code would probably aid my query :) CK RE: http://www.chelseacreekstudio.com/ca/cssd/cj.html *Reload your browser.* Please note that a couple of positioning errors on my file have been corrected, and that the drop-down menu is now functional in IE6 and IE7. The layout relies only on floats. Negative-margin layouts[1], and spins on them, tend to be more stable and work well cross-browser. I work on a mac os x 10.4.11 with xp ie6 and ie7 on parallels desktop. Browsercam provides a static capture. It is not reliable for testing real functionality. While lean code is a noble goal, stability and cross-browser concerns are of primary concern. The same /may/ be done with less. I'll leave it to you and others on the list to try and achieve that. HTH. Best, ~dL [1] http://www.alistapart.com/articles/negativemargins/ -- http://chelseacreekstudio.com/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
[WSG] Template Review URL
http://working.bushidodeep.com/impress/ybf/ybf.html The address of the code would probably aid my query :) CK *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
[WSG] Template Review
Hi All, I humbly come on this American holiday, for a template review. The object was to accomplish the layout with a minimum of div's. Given the number of floats and the design requirements of having the mainnav rest along the baseline of the image, I'm a little squeamish about the results in ie6 and 7, as the baseline alignment uses negative margins. Firefox 2.0.0.9 Mac Safari 3.0.4 Mac Both return the desired results: http://working.bushidodeep.com/impress/ybf/capture.png Should this pursuit of floats prove tedious, please offer advisement on a more stable solution. Happy Holidays, CK *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Floats Drifting
HI,
All attempts at supporting IE 5 seem futile. Is the percentage of
users of IE 5 that great, to require these efforts?
CK
On Jul 23, 2007, at 12:33 PM, Kepler Gelotte wrote:
CK,
I also see that you have fixed width header definitions within your
percentage width floated divs. I think earlier versions of IE would
widen
the container to accommodate the inner widths, so your 40% width
container
would widen to 500px even if 500px was 90% of your browser screen.
div#bd_secondary {
background-color:#CC;
float:right;
width:40%;
}
div.innercontainers h3 {
background-color:#FF;
color:#66;
padding:4px 0pt;
text-align:left;
width:500px; /* try 100% instead */
}
div id=bd_secondary
div id=bd_inner_01 class=innercontainers
h3
About
/h3
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[WSG] Floats Drifting
Hi, This seemingly simple layout is causing IE to behave badly Desired: http://working.bushidodeep.com/summer_2007/test/bc/desired.png (http://working.bushidodeep.com/summer_2007/test/template_02.php) IE: http://working.bushidodeep.com/summer_2007/test/bc/ie_01.png http://working.bushidodeep.com/summer_2007/test/bc/ie_02.png Would someone assist in containing the floats? CK *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
[WSG] Wide Display
Hi All, Could use your savvy in creating a style that would prevent the services content from sliding out of position when viewed on a very large display. http://bushidodeep.com/summer_2007/wide_capture.png Granted this width is not close to the norm, it would good to support it, and should not prove a difficult style to author. On a display wide, yet reasonable: http://bushidodeep.com/summer_2007/little_wide.png See the styles here: http://bushidodeep.com/summer_2007/template_01.php CK *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Re: please avoid forcing people to open pdf in browser!
HI, A I've not read the entire thread, the suggestion may have been offered. For Safari this extension allows the user to disable Safari rendering of pdf: SafariSpeed 2.0 http://pimpmysafari.com/plugins/ This should be a feature of of all UA's but this is a start. CK On Jul 20, 2007, at 7:39 AM, Stuart Foulstone wrote: Told you - abuse of semantics to undermine Web Standards again:-) -- Stuart Foulstone. http://www.bigeasyweb.co.uk BigEasy Web Design 69 Flockton Court Rockingham Street Sheffield S1 4EB Tel. 07751 413451 On Fri, July 20, 2007 11:06 am, Rob Crowther wrote: Stuart Foulstone wrote: PDF is a document file format, not a Web technolgy. Whilst you may say that it's use on the Web has become standard that does not make it a Web Standard (except by some tortuous abuse of semantics). HTML is a document file format. While there may be an argument to be made that PDF isn't a 'web technology' I don't think this is it. Rob *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Wide Display
Hi,
Your solution was great, now I've developed a problem with a vertical
scroll bar. some of the math has went awry. Would you assist?
CK
On Jul 20, 2007, at 9:06 AM, Tee G. Peng wrote:
Hi CK,
On Jul 20, 2007, at 6:21 AM, CK wrote:
Hi All,
Could use your savvy in creating a style that would prevent the
services content from sliding out of position when viewed on a
very large display.
http://bushidodeep.com/summer_2007/wide_capture.png
div#bd_container {max-width: 1000px /* for example */}
and also read the max width support concerning IE browsers
http://tinyurl.com/yqxsel
Hope this helps!
tee
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Re: [WSG] Wide Display
That would help: http://bushidodeep.com/summer_2007/template_02.php On Jul 20, 2007, at 11:43 AM, Tee G. Peng wrote: On Jul 20, 2007, at 8:53 AM, CK wrote: Hi, Your solution was great, now I've developed a problem with a vertical scroll bar. some of the math has went awry. Would you assist? please post the url. tee *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Wide Display
On Jul 20, 2007, at 12:24 PM, Tee G. Peng wrote: On Jul 20, 2007, at 9:48 AM, CK wrote: That would help: http://bushidodeep.com/summer_2007/template_02.php On Jul 20, 2007, at 11:43 AM, Tee G. Peng wrote: try remove the 'min-height: 100%;' from the same div or make it less than 100% if you really must use it. I did a quick test on Firefox developer toolbar with the Edit CSS tool, it works and the footer sticks to the bottom of the browser screen. Is this what you wanted, fixed footer? The footer is sticking fine. May I know why you want the min-height: 100%; declared for this simply layout? Also, isn't 100% the default browser height? I have never used min-height before as I tend to code with conservative, anything that requires lots of hacking to make IE works, I try to avoid in most cases. Also, I haven't encounter a layout that needs to use min-height so far. min-height and the extra divs are being used to set up a resolution dependent layout with JS By the way, I think 1600px max width is just too much, looking a your page, I don't see the reason this layout needs more than 900px, also it will be better if you wrap your navigation menu inside the div#bd_container, so that when a user have the browser open with a very wide screen, take 1600px for example, the menu wont' stay to the far left (assuming you have the max-width set to 900 or smaller) The nav header needs to span 100% tee *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Wide Display
The mime type is being served by a PHP dynamic script for selecting the correct mime type: http://www.workingwith.me.uk/articles/scripting/mimetypes On Jul 20, 2007, at 12:37 PM, Tee G. Peng wrote: Oh, one more thing, are you serving your page application/xhtml +xml? If not, you probably should removed the ?xml version='1.0' encoding='iso-8859-1' ? from your top of your document and change the dtd to xhtm 1.0 (transitional or strict) or html 4.0 strict I don't know well enough to explain to you why? Hope this interview article can serve as a good introductory on doctype. From there you should be able to find more info from the links the article provided. http://webstandardsgroup.org/features/tommy-olsson.cfm tee *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Template Review
On Apr 30, 2007, at 8:59 AM, Open Vision wrote: To add my 2-cents: 1. What the heck is Fidelity(Chûgi)? You can't assume everyone knows what this is. Plus there should be a space between Fidelity and the open par... Understood 2. Validation doesn't fit in the dropdown box. Padding issue 3. Why half a ribbon at the bottom of the page? Interesting footer 4. Who is this aimed at? Potential clients? Do you get many questions on these subjects? I don't get many from mine but when I do I give them an easy explanation. They're not going to understand it anyway. I can tell by the glazed look in their eyes! The explanations will be hidden and toggled with DOM. This comment is helpful and funny :) - Original Message - From: Philippe Wittenbergh [EMAIL PROTECTED] c-n.com To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 11:23 PM Subject: Re: [WSG] Template Review On Apr 30, 2007, at 10:04 AM, CK wrote: http://working.bushidodeep.com/dom_site/template.php In random order: more white-space (everything is like squished together). as Paul mentioned: why the pointer over the dt/headings ? the letter-spacing on the dd is annoying. It is a bad idea to letter- space body text - font-designers do know their stuff, you know. Might work well on your machine, with your fonts/font-size. On my browser (Gecko trunk, OS X 10.4.9), with my font-size, I see all characters drifting apart. combining fixed width on a container and then setting a max-width in em inside (your dd) is problematic. use sans-serif fonts for headings and serif fonts for body text (like the dd, again) will create some more visual structure. Philippe --- Philippe Wittenbergh http://emps.l-c-n.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.6.2/781 - Release Date: 4/30/2007 9:14 AM -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 26128 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Template Review
On Apr 30, 2007, at 2:28 AM, Paul Novitski wrote: The method you're using to present the definition list in two columns is to split the markup into two lists. However, I believe it's really just one list, so you're changing the markup in a way that misrepresents the semantics of the page purely for presentational purposes. You can accomplish the dual-column list in CSS by moving the first DT in column 2 back up the page with a negative margin-top, then shifting all the items in column 2 over with a postive margin- left. This technique is illustrated in example 6 in my A List Apart article http://www.alistapart.com/articles/multicolumnlists/ . It does require that the height of column 1 is predictable if you're using static CSS or calculable if you're generating your CSS on the fly. Wonderful suggestion and article, should the dt have mark-up similar, then follow along with the CSS, from the article? Regards, Paul __ Paul Novitski Juniper Webcraft Ltd. http://juniperwebcraft.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Template Review
This was the conclusion reached, thanks for the affirmation! Ck On Apr 30, 2007, at 10:58 AM, Thierry Koblentz wrote: Finally, I think show/hide javascript for the explanations is pointless... if I really happen to be interested enough to read all the sections, I would have to go through 10 clicks. That's a lot of work to read half a page worth of text. I say just let everything be available on page load and don't bother with pseudo-links. Not 10 clicks, but a single one if the script provides a link to open all DDs at once. Which it should to help users wanting to search the document. --- Regards, Thierry | www.TJKDesign.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Template Review[Final]
Hi, Not offended, solid critique, must have a thick skin in this profession :) Send some screen captures please.. CK On Apr 30, 2007, at 4:02 PM, Open Vision wrote: Sorry, but I still see a mess. Maybe worse than before as far as layout is concerned. Text size, depending on how you have it set on your monitor is all over the place. Columns aren't even (as a graphic designer this is a pet peeve). And you have words underlined that aren't links. Misleading at the very least. Spelling and punctuation is faulty too: Using javascript and AJAX behaviour is added to enhance user experience for a web applications, in compliance with web standards Better written as; Javascript and AJAX behavior (oh, we don't use the u here) is added to enhance user experience for Web aplications, in compliance with Web standards. Personally, I think this is a wasted page. As I said before, if clients want to know about these things they can ask. If not you're just putting out useless and boring information. And I still have a problem with the half ribbon. To me it looks like something is missing and it doesn't add to the look of the page. Finally, what in the world does meditaion have to do with Web design? Don't mean to be rude, just trying to play the devil's advocate here. If I see these things clients will. And if you confuse them they'll go find someone else. - Original Message - From: CK To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 4:09 PM Subject: [WSG] Template Review[Final] http://working.bushidodeep.com/dom_site/template_03.php Hi, Please check this for an strange behavior in IE. __ CK *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.6.2/781 - Release Date: 4/30/2007 9:14 AM I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 26128 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Try SPAMfighter for free now! *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Template Review[Final]
On Apr 30, 2007, at 5:23 PM, Chris Williams wrote: I’m afraid I agree completely with Bill, on almost every point. See below: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Open Vision Subject: Re: [WSG] Template Review[Final] Sorry, but I still see a mess. Maybe worse than before as far as layout is concerned. Text size, depending on how you have it set on your monitor is all over the place. Columns aren't even (as a graphic designer this is a pet peeve). And you have words underlined that aren't links. Misleading at the very least. Just try ctrl-+ or ctrl—a couple of times in your browser and see how badly the page behaves. Columns overlap, spill out all over the place, ugh… Tried a new technique for floating the dl, needs polish. Spelling and punctuation is faulty too: Using javascript and AJAX behaviour is added to enhance user experience for a web applications, in compliance with web standards Better written as; Javascript and AJAX behavior (oh, we don't use the u here) is added to enhance user experience for Web aplications, in compliance with Web standards. While I’m giving you the benefit of the doubt on behaviour, there are problems. Like “Bushidodeep.com, Founded in 1996 offers…” should be at least “Bushidodeep.com, founded in 1996, offers…” But that leads to the more important point that you “offer Web Standards solutions emphasizing unique visual design” on a decidedly not that great a design… certainly it doesn’t offer a “unique and stunning interface” as later proclaimed. Minimal can be boring. Personally, I think this is a wasted page. As I said before, if clients want to know about these things they can ask. If not you're just putting out useless and boring information. This is the most important point. This is like the “skills” section on a resume – that is, completely worthless. It’s a laundry list of buzz words. Do you go to a mechanic for your car because they have the latest “Hunter 9500 Spin Balancer” or “The Best Snap-On Tools”, or because they “carefully follow all OSHA regulations”? No, you go there because they can service YOUR car, or perhaps they were recommended by your friend, or because they have testimonials from trustworthy sources. Very interesting point Show of hands – is there anyone on this list, or anyone working in web design, who DOESN’T work with all the listed programs? You need to showcase your work. Screen shots. Links to customers. Sample pages. “Stunning Interfaces”. Testimonials from happy customers. What can you do for me? Don’t bore me with how the sausage is made… Will add to the next version... And I still have a problem with the half ribbon. To me it looks like something is missing and it doesn't add to the look of the page. The threading idea is cool.. Agree completely. Would be different if there was another part of the ribbon at the top of the page, perhaps… Finally, what in the world does meditaion have to do with Web design? Will be omitted... Again, I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt on that one (don’t know why, but…) but I’m trying to understand a “validation” drop down selector. Huh? Ironic... Don't mean to be rude, just trying to play the devil's advocate here. If I see these things clients will. And if you confuse them they'll go find someone else. Solid and appreciated, done in a rush, shows rushed results. A minimal design requires more development! So long for now... - Original Message - From: CK To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 4:09 PM Subject: [WSG] Template Review[Final] http://working.bushidodeep.com/dom_site/template_03.php Hi, Please check this for an strange behavior in IE. __ CK *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.6.2/781 - Release Date: 4/30/2007 9:14 AM I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 26128 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Try SPAMfighter for free now! *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http
[WSG] Thanks For The Critique
List, A sincere thanks for all the contributions, especially the last (2). A rushed concept is both costly, and exhausting. Note to self simplicity is not simple. Several development steps where missed, not treating myself as a client, being the most damaging. See you all after the concept is (re) visioned. CK *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
[WSG] Template Review
http://working.bushidodeep.com/dom_site/template.php Hi, Typography is the emphasis of this creation, so a review for readability is desired. Please send along screen captures of any strange behavior. Concerned with the absolute placement of the navigation and the generated content. __ One doesn't prosper by treachery and deceit. Character and work must stand forward. http://villagevoice.com/news/0644,tomorrow,74912,9.html Respectfully, Christopher Kennon Front End Developer/Programmer -Bushidodeep bushidodeep (http://bushidodeep.com/) e-mail: ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) blog: (http://hauphat.bushidodeep.com/) Cell: (347)753.2551 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Template Review
On Apr 29, 2007, at 10:23 PM, Philippe Wittenbergh wrote: On Apr 30, 2007, at 10:04 AM, CK wrote: http://working.bushidodeep.com/dom_site/template.php In random order: more white-space (everything is like squished together). as Paul mentioned: why the pointer over the dt/headings ? For Show/Hide Dom Switching the letter-spacing on the dd is annoying. It is a bad idea to letter-space body text - font-designers do know their stuff, you know. Might work well on your machine, with your fonts/font-size. On my browser (Gecko trunk, OS X 10.4.9), with my font-size, I see all characters drifting apart. See this http://working.bushidodeep.com/dom_site/template_02.php combining fixed width on a container and then setting a max-width in em inside (your dd) is problematic. Removed use sans-serif fonts for headings and serif fonts for body text (like the dd, again) will create some more visual structure. Agreed and used. Philippe --- Philippe Wittenbergh http://emps.l-c-n.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Template Review
See http://working.bushidodeep.com/dom_site/template_02.php On Apr 29, 2007, at 8:53 PM, Paul Novitski wrote: At 4/29/2007 06:04 PM, CK wrote: http://working.bushidodeep.com/dom_site/template.phphttp:// working.bushidodeep.com/dom_site/template.php ... Typography is the emphasis of this creation, so a review for readability is desired. Please send along screen captures of any strange behavior. Concerned with the absolute placement of the navigation and the generated content. The 'READ MORE' links do not function as hyperlinks using Win Firefox 2 (and of course they don't show up in Internet Explorer 7). Oh, I see, they're not actually links; I assumed they were because the mouse changed to a pointer, but I see that you forced that in your stylesheet. Why? When I enlarge the text (which I need to do in order to read the 'READ MORE' links), it spills out of the white column background. With a layout this simple, why not make the white column resize with the text? Also with enlargement, when the text wraps at window width it overlaps the beginning of the body text. Why do you take the nav menu out of the flow? This seems to create problems unnecessarily. In Win Firefox 2 the validation select list seems too short, cutting off part of the final 'n' of Validation. I can't see where in your stylesheet you're constraining its width, but maybe some padding-right would help. My eye sees a busy page. I would increase the leading before each DT to let the page breathe. It's really just a big list, which I don't find interesting; even while reviewing this template I couldn't make myself actually read it. I would consider using a more engaging method of communicating with the reader. I like your color palette! Regards, Paul __ Paul Novitski Juniper Webcraft Ltd. http://juniperwebcraft.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
[WSG] Web 2.0 Applications
Hi, I've an opportunity to create a site specializing in faux finishes. This appears to lend itself to a web 2.0 application. Would someone provide examples in writing of commercial, preferably art related commercial web 2.0 applications? Interested in AJAX/DOM For updating/displaying finish data Micorformats possibly to bookmark finishes/collections Respectfully, CK *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
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