RE: [WSG] VIRUS!!!

[Brett Walsh]

Well, that was fun! I foolishly trusted that the email was from the
group ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) and that I had for some reason been
suspended. So I opened the attachment and clicked the file! How foolish of
me! If only I had expanded the width of the filename column. It even had a
program like icon. I suppose it was kinda intelligent of them to include so
many trailing spaces before the file extension so I'm semi impressed as I
haven't been caught like that before.
It automatically shuts down task manager when you try to open it too so it
was real battle to try and end the process in the 1 second you have before
it closes.

It appears it was sent through the wsg mail server so maybe you guys should
check if it is still in the queue somewhere? Assuming this wasn't only sent
to me.

Oh great, it also adds entries to your host file, shuts down Norton and
turns off your firewall. Ohhh the pain!


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Behalf Of Jan Brasna
Sent: Tuesday, 31 May 2005 1:57 PM
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: Re: [WSG] Definition lists for comments in blogs

> Foobar IS F.U.B.A.R.

It isn't, it's only derived from it. See 

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RE: [WSG] IE layout issues

[Brett Walsh]

Only a couple of things I noticed in ie6.

In the top area where you have Login in, Account Shopping cart etc. The
padding is not being applied in IE as it is in FF.

Also, the dashed line which makes up the bottom border of the top area (this
could be the margin-top of the main content area) is not extending across
the whole width of the page. Seems about 100 or so px short.

I haven't had time to look at the code but that is what I noticed at first
glance.


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Behalf Of Darren Wood
Sent: Tuesday, 1 February 2005 4:08 PM
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: [WSG] IE layout issues

Hello list-o-geeks,

I've recently designed (and partially built) an online store. Its in its 
'soft launch' phase as there are some issues with IE.

None of the developers (including me) have a windows machine available 
to test on IE, etc...

Would you guys mind having a look at http://champion.net.nz and let me 
know of any massive differences between firefox and IE (possible 
solutions would be a god-send!)

The style sheet I'm worrying about is: http://champion.net.nz/default.css

Thanks in advance.

Darren

ps - i'm aware of actual bugs in the cart/store etc.  Those are being 
sorted before the css issues.

pps - i'm lazy, I know...
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RE: [WSG] X-STANDARD

[Brett Walsh]

xStandard is a fantastic component and I absolutely swear by it if you want
to allow users to post clean xhtml into a database or generate clean static
xhtml pages. It truly is a god send for anyone who has had to worry about
validating code input and that's only with the lite version.

I believe the pro version allows for easy uploading of images and has a few
other good features (can't remember offhand) but requires the installation
of a service that runs on your server. That may not be possible for most
people. (not sure but I would assume it's IIS only as these guys seem to be
more geared towards Microsoft technologies - feel free to clarify)

As for comparison between Dreamweaver MX and xStandard, they are completely
different things. I use dreamweaver to build the framework of a site and
build xStandard into the cms to allow users to post content that will not
break pages (either validity or structural layout). It is perfect for
systems that require users to post large amounts of information including
images and styled headings etc. whilst still maintaining valid xhtml strict.

I found it most useful in a situation where I had to allow users to post
their news articles to a site. They can simply copy and paste directly from
word into the xStandard interface in their cms and it generates all 
tags automatically. This saves us having to do the scripting ourselves and
can be rolled out in next to not time at all.

Oh yeah, xStandard works great using mozilla and ie. I've only tested on
those browsers and they have just updated so both can be called using the
object type attribute and load much faster than before.

I don't work for them I promise! :)

No seriously I don't. I just love this component, saved me a lot of
headaches.

Brett

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Behalf Of Patrick H. Lauke
Sent: Wednesday, 26 January 2005 10:28 AM
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: Re: [WSG] X-STANDARD

Ryan Moore wrote:
> hi group.  was just on the web and was looking into x-standard, i'm
> currently using dreamweaver mx 2004.  anyone have any feedback on
x-standard
> and how it compares to dreamweaver?

Apples and oranges: DW is a standalone application that you run on your 
machine, while x-standard is a browser-based plugin (which, as far as I 
remember, uses ActiveX, thus limiting it to IE/PC) that you drop into 
your backend CMS pages in lieu of a big textarea for authors to type in 
their HTML code...

-- 
Patrick H. Lauke
_
re.dux (adj.): brought back; returned. used postpositively
[latin : re-, re- + dux, leader; see duke.]
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RE: [WSG] 2 WEEKS TONIGHT! Funkdub @ City Bar, Chester

[Brett Walsh]

Title: sam hutchinson / [EMAIL PROTECTED]








Can someone tell me why I am receiving
this rubbish???

 









From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sam Hutchinson
Sent: Saturday, 15 January 2005
3:00 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [WSG] 2 WEEKS TONIGHT!
Funkdub @ City Bar, Chester
Importance: High



 

Beat
the January blues and come out of hibernation...

Get that monkey off
your back with 
some weekend
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PLUS now
get online at: www.funkdub.info 
...the "banter" is ideal for dull friday afternoon's (like today!)

FUNKDUB IS BACK,
AND YOU ARE ALL INVITED!

 



 

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& 4th March 2005 
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please feel
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RE: [WSG] External Links Won't Validate (URL Cleaner doesn't help)

[Brett Walsh]

Patrick's example works fine.

If you create a link using the url he supplied the site displays correctly.

& becomes & as it is meant to be.

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Behalf Of Shane Helm
Sent: Wednesday, 5 January 2005 11:39 AM
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: Re: [WSG] External Links Won't Validate (URL Cleaner doesn't help)

> Change & to &, e.g.
> http://www.pcmls.com/willlange/cgi-bin/aa.fcgi?aacmd=results&; 
> id=dauckf&r=1&f=0&t=0
>
> -- 
> Patrick H. Lauke

Did you test this link you just sent me because it doesn't work?   
That's the issue.  When you change & to & the link no longer works.  
  I am very familiar with the practice but it does not work with the  
site I am linking to.

Shane Helm
sonzeDesignStudioT
www.sonze.com

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RE: [WSG] an even more amazing css zen garden entry

[Brett Walsh]

Certainly has WOW! Talk about a vibrant background.


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Sent: Saturday, 25 December 2004 1:38 AM
To: Web Standards Group
Subject: [WSG] an even more amazing css zen garden entry

Now there were some people on-list who thought the last Zen Garden entry I
posted lacked a certain "wow" factor. Well, how about this entry which seems
to have it all... Style... Class... Wow... and lots of animation!

http://brucelawson.co.uk/zengarden.htm

:)
Russ

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RE: [WSG] My Site

[Brett Walsh]

Validates???

Have I got the wrong url or something. I just checked www.dotradio.uni.cc
and it still has 120 errors? Did I miss something?

Regards,

Brett

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Behalf Of haggis
Sent: Wednesday, 22 December 2004 12:34 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [WSG] My Site

Well, it's getting there the html now validates but the css still does not. 
It has the same errors as before only now they are on all three stylesheets.

You cannot list sizes or dimensions without the unit in other words padding:

2; is not valid however, padding: 2px (or em or %) is. and the same goes for

font-size: 14px; is how it should read and NOT font-size: 14; You still need

to specify a generic font as well 
Fix those and it'll be fine ...
B.

William Haggerty
VWH Web Services
http://vwh.ca
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Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2004 5:05 PM
Subject: Re: [WSG] My Site


>I think that I have done a nice job with the new stylesheets.


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RE: [WSG] My Site

[Brett Walsh]

Anthony,

You have 120 errors on that page. Most of them are  errors missing their
end tag.

A simple search and replace will get you down to about 20 errors. (maybe
less I can't be bothered wading through them all.)

Try in your favourite editor:

Find: 
Replace With: 

Even note pad has S&R so you should be able to do this without too much
trouble.

But please, do it! The fact that you ask for help but have not addressed
these issues first is quite annoying. You spend more time defending your umm
styles. Meh. 

Next you'll want to clean up your img tags. You should add a trailing slash
to the end of each tag.

E.g. 

Then you will get the errors down to a manageable number and should be able
to work through them yourself. It is important to do this otherwise your
wasting your time even bothering. The validator should be your first port of
call.

As for "I think that I have done a nice job with the new stylesheets". I
have no doubt the site is a personal achievement and well done to actually
having a go. I do think you could benefit from suggestions already made
about your site as the comments have be constructive and valid apart from
the one flaming you received but the frustration was well meant. o_O. nice
is nice.

Your style switcher is a good idea but the change of styles should actually
reflect a complete style change. The styles themselves require work and
suggestions made about contrast and font size are definitely something you
should look into. Style2 text is quite hard to read on the right hand side.
Something to do with oh...white on one of the lightest grays. The wellstyled
colorscheme chooser is fantastic. It can do al the work for you.

Would your screen resolution happen to be at 800x600 default? That's ok but
you should change your res to 1024x768 and see what your site looks like
full screen. Pretty standard res these days.

But fix those validator errors here:

http://validator.w3.org/check?verbose=1&uri=http%3A//www.dotradio.uni.cc/%3F
page%3Dhome

(Copy and past if the link breaks)

Regards,

Brett


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Behalf Of Anthony Timberlake
Sent: Wednesday, 22 December 2004 12:05 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [WSG] My Site

I think that I have done a nice job with the new stylesheets.


On Wed, 22 Dec 2004 01:58:20 +0100, JohnyB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Try http://colorschemer.com/
> 
> Have a look at http://wellstyled.com/tools/colorscheme2/index-en.html
> 
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RE: [WSG] link rel not working. @import ok!

[Brett Walsh]

Thanks Charles. I'll try both those things now. Cheers


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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Charles Martin
Sent: Wednesday, 15 December 2004 3:52 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [WSG] link rel not working. @import ok!

Brett Walsh wrote:

>All of my style sheets are included using  but one of the
>style sheets was not being applied. I say all as there are actually about 5
>style sheets, some dynamically included. I thought there might be a
>restriction on the number of sheets allowed. Is there?
>
>I changed the problem style sheet to be included using @import and the all
>styles were applied as expected. It won't work using link rel and I don't
>understand why.
>  
>
Have you tried placing the stylesheet link that is not being applied at 
the top of the list?  If the styles contained in it are applied, then it 
would seem there is some unexpected limitation (or one of the other 
stylesheets has identifiers with great specificity that are overriding 
what the last included stylesheet contains).  And it may be FF and not 
IE.  I haven't checked the W3C to see if there is a specific intentional 
limitation to which the browser is adhering.  If it doesn't work, then 
there is something odd about the file itself (possibly missing a closing 
bracket somewhere that is causing a problem). 

Just a few ideas to further narrow down the possibilities on the issue 
at hand.

Charles Martin

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[WSG] link rel not working. @import ok!

[Brett Walsh]

Hey everyone,

Without showing any code I was wondering if anyone is aware of this problem.
Hopefully it is common.

I was having trouble with some styles not being applied to elements in a
page I was working on.

All of my style sheets are included using  but one of the
style sheets was not being applied. I say all as there are actually about 5
style sheets, some dynamically included. I thought there might be a
restriction on the number of sheets allowed. Is there?

I changed the problem style sheet to be included using @import and the all
styles were applied as expected. It won't work using link rel and I don't
understand why.

Anyone experienced this before? Testing in ff.

Regards,

Brett


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RE: [WSG] Changing Standard

[Brett Walsh]

That's a good explanation


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Sam Brown
Sent: Sunday, 12 December 2004 2:27 PM
To: berry
Subject: Re: [WSG] Changing Standard

b> Why using a:link ?

b>means that the word inside is a link

b> a { color:blue;  text-decoration:underline; }

b> is the same as setting

b> a:link { color:blue; text-decoration:underline; }

b> Link is a redundant tag

I don't know the intricacies of all this, but I believe there is a
distinction.   identifies an anchor. Anchors can be used for
other uses besides just hyperlinks.   identifies a
link. If you use a { } to style all links, you may accidentally
capture other uses of the anchor tag. However, a:link { } will
properly style JUST the hyperlink usage of the anchor tag.

-Sam

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RE: [WSG] Best approach (new question)

[Brett Walsh]

http://wellstyled.com/css-nopreload-rollovers.html

have you had a look at this?

All css, no preload. Might be what your looking for.


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Sent: Friday, 10 December 2004 6:18 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [WSG] Best approach (new question)

Now I've looked at the samples and it seem it can't be done without 
having some kind of text as the link and they want to use their own font 
on the imgs. (I know... but they pay me and I do what they want... almost)

So can the same effect as a javascript img swap possible using CSS only?

Thanks in advance
Kim
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RE: [WSG] alt or title...

[Brett Walsh]

I agree that a title would not say this is a photo of mark and his cat at
sea but it would be ok to say alt="Photo: Mark and his cat sitting at sea"
you'd think as this tells the user that this is meant to be a photo and for
whatever reason the browser has had to display the alt text.


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Behalf Of Hugh Todd
Sent: Thursday, 9 December 2004 1:36 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [WSG] alt or title...

In response to Derek Featherstone,

My (hopefully useful) contribution picks up on something I learnt in my 
brief flirtation with the advertising industry.

A caption should not restate what is in the image. The two should be 
complementary.

So, let's say the image is of a person and a cat sitting by the sea. 
The caption should not repeat what is in the image, but provide 
information that is not there. The caption may tell us that this is 
Mark, and that this is not just any cat, but his cat (perhaps with a 
name). It should not tell us that it is beside the sea, because we can 
see that, but may tell us which piece of foreshore it is. It should not 
tell us that they are happy because this, too, is evident from the 
image. Nor that they are sitting. It may tell us when the photo was 
taken, but not that it is a photo, because we know this.

"Mark and Puddles at Bondi, 9 December 2004"

Anything useful about the photo that is not described in the caption 
can now go in the alt tag.

-Hugh Todd

> What is critical and what is "extra" is determined by context. In 
> general,
> the lower tech the approach, the more accessible it is. If it is in the
> content, everyone gets what they need, instead of having to rely on a
> tooltip which may or may not appear for the information.

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RE: [WSG] alt or title...

[Brett Walsh]

ok I will jot that one down. That article at beras street was nice and
helpful.

I was getting confused as the validator was complaining about no alt on
links for strict dtd. Thx all of you.

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
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Sent: Wednesday, 8 December 2004 11:33 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [WSG] alt or title...

On Wed, 8 Dec 2004 23:06:52 +1100, Brett Walsh wrote:
> I am using the strict dtd so as far as I understand I'm meant to use alt
for
> links and title for images. Or is it the other way around? Or both?

The other way around - the alt attribute goes on the img tag, to 
provide some information when the image isnt available (eg screen 
readers, text browsers). The alt attribute is required on img tags, but 
may be blank if the image is purely decorative.
The title attribute goes on the anchor tag, and is optional. It is to 
provide additional information on the link, over and above what appears 
in the link text.

HIH
Lea
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Lea de Groot
Elysian Systems - I Understand the Internet <http://elysiansystems.com/>
Search Engine Optimisation, Usability, Information Architecture, Web 
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[WSG] alt or title...

[Brett Walsh]

 



Hey everyone.

 

I keep forgetting and need some clarification on the use of
alt and title and which is most appropriate.

 

I am using the strict dtd so as far as I understand I’m
meant to use alt for links and title for images. Or is it the other way around?
Or both?

 

Fairly simple one. Is this correct?



 

Regards,

 

Brett Walsh

RE: [WSG] W3C REFERER FIX?

[Brett Walsh]

Depends what language.

If you use asp or php you can do a server variable collection to retrieve
the current page and build your url dynamically.

In asp its Request.ServerVariables("SCRIPT_NAME") and I believe it's
something very similar in php.

But servervariables will get you on the right track.

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Behalf Of Sam Hutchinson
Sent: Tuesday, 30 November 2004 3:53 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [WSG] W3C REFERER FIX?

so I shouldn't use the W3C referer code to check my website validity?

should I be using individual URL strings to validate?

What about my dynamically created pages? I don't want to edit each
individual page in my site just to add a validity link checker?

"Again, the best way is to use a server-side language and write out
the URL of the current page dynamically on the validation link's href."

Anyone out there doing this? I'd like to have a look at the code in order to
implement it.

Sam




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Sent: Monday, November 29, 2004 04:25
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [WSG] W3C REFERER FIX?


> From: Sam Hutchinson

> this in itself is an example of a browser/OS affecting
> accessibility.

Actually, it's a good example of something else: "don't rely on any
outside data that's not under your direct control". Having a system
that purely relies on referers, and breaks down when they're not
available, is not very flexible. In terms of accessibility, it's a
prime example of what not to do (relying on referers, not the blocking
of them), as you can't guarantee that they'll be present at all...similar
to not relying on javascript etc.

> Cheers All. Will post a workaround when i've made it.

Short of changing the security settings of your machine, there's not
much you can do I think (hope, as it's been implemented for a reason,
and it would be ridiculous if web developers could simply override it).
Again, the best way is to use a server-side language and write out
the URL of the current page dynamically on the validation link's href.

Patrick

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RE: [WSG] It's so frustrating. Webstandars, accesibility and Firefox as a sales argument.

[Brett Walsh]

Searching for s2store in google returns it
as the first result…?

 

 









From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kristof Rutten
Sent: Thursday, 25 November 2004
8:26 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [WSG] It's so
frustrating. Webstandars, accesibility and Firefox as a sales argument.



 





Hi All,





 





 





 I don't know if you guys experience the same anoying
and frustrating talks when it comes





 to convince a prospect/client of the fact his/her
site isn't working for most of the world.





 





 -- The fact that it's not build following certain
standards, the fact Google is like a blind, numb en deaf





 person and so on. Finally you have the guy
convinced, in comes the next frontpage cowboy.





 





 He lowers the price, the target, the standards ..
and up up and away, there goes another client.





 





 How do you convince your client to spend a little
more on the design, the coding and the usability





 when the most simple logic doesn't work ? 





 





 Do you have the same feeling most people don't care
about all of the above and keep running 





 around with the idea IE will fix all.





 





 Prospects site: http://www.s2store.be





 Frontpage cowboys: http://www.xperienz.be





 





 The prospect is complaining about the fact his site
doesn't show up in Google and zhy all of his competitors





 do. 





 





 The Google results : 
http://www.google.be/search?q=site:s2store.be&hl=nl&lr=&start=20&sa=N





 





 





 Remarks, ideas - toughts ? 





 





.K





 

RE: [WSG] Sometimes you just cant help people ...

[Brett Walsh]

Tim makes a good point. I wondered what those links were for also. it would
make sense to be more descriptive, especially when it doesn't impact on the
sites layout or structure. It can't hurt.

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Behalf Of Hill, Tim
Sent: Thursday, 25 November 2004 10:31 AM
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Subject: RE: [WSG] Sometimes you just cant help people ...

'skip to content' versus 'skip to content of this page'?

Hmm, I'm not so sure, sounds pretty obvious to me. Skip links should be
as short as possible, because they get consistently read when a user
visits a page with screen reading software. I believe as more sites take
this approach on board, it will become more prevalent to these users of
what the links do. 
 

Tim Hill
Computer Associates
Graphic Artist
tel: +612 9937 0792
fax: +612 9937 0546
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Kear
Sent: Thursday, 25 November 2004 10:18 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [WSG] Sometimes you just cant help people ...



I was talking to a blind friend over the weekend,  and since he
uses Jaws screen reading software, the subject of web sites came up.   I
was observing as how we in the profession were trying to make things
easier for people using other devices than a browser to use the web. 

 

"For example, one of the things we're increasingly doing these
days is having a 'skip to content' link at the top of the page.  In many
cases it's only visible to screen readers."

 

Then he floored me.  He said "oh yes!  I've seen those."
(interesting turn of phrase from a guy who's been blind since birth)
"but what are they for? I've never used them because I don't know what
they do."

 

 

 

The point is,  he didn't know what the skip-to-content link was
for and therefore he wouldn't use it, lest he find himself a long way
away from where he wanted to go (the content) and then have trouble
getting back again.   Perhaps we need to be a bit more expansive in the
link itself.   Perhaps instead of "skip to content' we need to have the
link say "skip to the content of this page" or some such.A blind
reader will hear Jaws say "VISITED LINK.: SKIP TO CONTENT"  and thinking
about it, it isn't totally obvious what that does. 

 

 

Cheers

Mike Kear

AFP Webworks

Windsor, NSW, Australia

http://afpwebworks.com

.com, .net, .org etc domains start at A$20/year

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RE: [WSG] Font size ADMIN - THREAD CLOSED

[Brett Walsh]

Here here. Bout 30 emails wasting everyones time.

More about standards less about egos!


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THREAD CLOSED

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RE: [WSG] discussion at juicy studio: It's all in the MIME

[Brett Walsh]

In php,



In asp,

<% response.ContentType="text/HTML" %>

Or whatever your chosen mime type.

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Sent: Thursday, 11 November 2004 11:47 AM
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Subject: RE: [WSG] discussion at juicy studio: It's all in the MIME

You can use PHP to output header information, and also to do content
negotiation. I don't know code for it off the top of my head, but Google
probably would turn up something.

Regards,
Joshua Street
base10solutions

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From:   Richard Czeiger [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent:   Thu 11-Nov-04 11:34 AM
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Cc: 
Subject:Re: [WSG] discussion at juicy studio: It's all in the MIME

Aha! NOW i get it!
Thanks Patrick. I guess with people telling you to put inline scripts as
"text/JavaScript" and CSS as "text/css" I just assumed that the meta would
take care of it

No one said anything previously about the server bit...
That's clarified it for me.

BUT...

If, like most of my customers, theire sharing a server at some hosting
company, then it's unlikely that the host would do this to their servers...

Hmmm

Richard   :o

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From: "Patrick H. Lauke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2004 11:15 AM
Subject: Re: [WSG] discussion at juicy studio: It's all in the MIME


Richard Czeiger wrote:
> According to W3C, 'application/xhtml+xml' is the MIME type to use.
> I've put it pages and seen it not only validate, but also display
correctly
> in IE5.0 and IE6.

If IE displayed the page, rather than prompt you to download/save the
file, then you're *not* really sending it as application/xhtml+xml.

Taking a stab in the dark, I'd guess that all you did was change the
"content type" meta to it. Well...that's not the way to do it. Your
*server* needs to be configured to send out proper
application/xhtml+xml, or - if you're using something like PHP
server-side - you need to send the appropriate headers. If all you did
was indeed just change the meta, your server is happily still sending
out your page as text/html, and that's why IE is displaying it.

If you have Firefox, simply go to the page in question and do "Tools >
Page Info". On the resulting window, look for "Type". You're more likely
seeing "text/html" there, indicating that it's not "application/xhtml+xml"

Oldie but goldie on the subject:
http://www.xml.com/pub/a/2003/03/19/dive-into-xml.html

Patrick H. Lauke
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RE: [WSG] Site Check please

[Brett Walsh]

Natalie you just sent 4 of the same email.

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Sent: Wednesday, 10 November 2004 12:15 PM
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Subject: Re: [WSG] Site Check please

Hi Simon

My main concern is your menu:



There is no title on the href, and as the images are done as
backgrounds, there is no indication of what is here when I have images
off.

I really like the design and balance.

Natalie


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> Hi Guys,
> 
> About to Launch this site, but before it goes could you please take a
> look and tell me what you think.
> 
> http://www.matamanoa.com/new/
> 
> Rgds n thanks
> Simon
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RE: [WSG] Site Check please

[Brett Walsh]

Looks great


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Hi Guys,

About to Launch this site, but before it goes could you please take a 
look and tell me what you think.

http://www.matamanoa.com/new/

Rgds n thanks
Simon
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