[WSG] cross-browser or vendor-specific CSS

[Kevin Erickson]

Hi, I am asking if anyone uses  http://ecsstender.org/ to write CSS
cross-browser code or, if not, what are you using to write CSS
cross-browser or vendor-specific code?
Many thanks!

Kevin


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Re: [WSG] jQuery courses or training

[Kevin Erickson]

I meant to say four HOUR course :)
Cheers!
Sent from my BlackBerry®

-Original Message-
From: "Kevin Erickson" 
Sender: lists@webstandardsgroup.orgDate: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 03:00:13 
To: 
Reply-To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: Re: [WSG] jQuery courses or training

Penny, I am using www.Lynda.com. It has a four course on jQuery Essentials. 
Best luck, 

Kevin
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Sender: lists@webstandardsgroup.orgDate: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 11:15:00 
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Reply-to: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: [WSG] jQuery courses or training

Hi guys

Does anybody know of any jQuery (or Javascript) courses or training days
coming up around the Sydney area at any point this year?

Cheers
Penny


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Re: [WSG] jQuery courses or training

[Kevin Erickson]

Penny, I am using www.Lynda.com. It has a four course on jQuery Essentials. 
Best luck, 

Kevin
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Subject: [WSG] jQuery courses or training

Hi guys

Does anybody know of any jQuery (or Javascript) courses or training days
coming up around the Sydney area at any point this year?

Cheers
Penny


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[WSG] SVG vs SWF

[Kevin Erickson]

Which is better for standards, SVG or SWF, for web graphics? 

Kevin



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RE: [WSG] Mobile Page Passes but MIME Type Fails

[Kevin Erickson]

Arrrgh! Thanks for the attempt but it still warns on the MIME type after the
change suggested. I guess I can move on but can anyone tell me what the
issue is???

Latest code:


http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml-basic/xhtml-basic11.dtd";>
http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml";>
  
Virginia.gov Mobile - Home






 



@import url(../../css/m_index.css);


  
  
  

  
  

Home 
  Mobile Virginia.gov Services:
  
Home
Search Virginia.gov
  
  People:
  
Citizens
Families
State
Employees
Students
  
  Information:
  
Government
Online
Services
Business
Employment
Education
Tourism and
Travel
  
About Virginia:
  
Facts and
History
Mapping
Virginia
  


  
mobile.virginia.gov
http://www.virginia.gov";>Virginia.gov Home
http://www.virginia.gov/cmsportal3/about_virginia.gov_4096/web_policy.
html">Site Policies
http://www.virginia.gov/cmsportal3/about_virginia.gov_4096/contact_us.
html">Contact Virginia.gov
  

  


Thanks!
Kevin

-Original Message-
From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On
Behalf Of Phil Archer
Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2010 1:51 AM
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: Re: [WSG] Mobile Page Passes but MIME Type Fails

The Doctype for XHTML Basic 1.1 is:

http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml-basic/xhtml-basic11.dtd";>


HTH

Phil.

Kevin Erickson wrote:
> Question: For the line, 
>  "http://www.wapforum.org/DTD/xhtml-mobile10.dtd";>, 
> would I change this to, 
>  "http://www.wapforum.org/DTD/xhtml-mobile10.dtd";>, ??
> 
> And change, 
> , 
> to, 
> , ??
> 
> I have not been able to find the answers on the web.
> Thanks.
> 
> Kevin
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On
> Behalf Of Phil Archer
> Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2010 6:15 PM
> To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
> Subject: Re: [WSG] Mobile Page Passes but MIME Type Fails
> 
> Hi Kevin,
> 
> The answer is in your e-mail. You have created a page using a version of 
> XHTML for which the correct MIME type is application/vnd.wap.xhtml+xml 
> or application/xhtml+xml
> 
> but you're sending text/html so there is a mismatch, hence the warning.
> 
> The recommended markup for  mobile is now XHTML Basic 1.1 for which the 
> appropriate MIME type is application/xhtml+xml but if you're sending to 
> a device that doesn't support that (essentially just IE) then you'll 
> need to do as you are doing and use text/html.
> 
> However... this is a warning, not a failure, so you may decide just to 
> leave things as they are ;-)
> 
> Presumably you got this warning from the mobi Ready tool? This uses the 
> same core code as the W3C mobileOK checker 
> http://validator.w3.org/mobile/ (although we've added a lot of extra UI 
> stuff over the last year or so).
> 
> HTH
> 
> Phil.
> 
> Kevin Erickson wrote:
>> Hello All,
>>
>> If anyone can help me understand why my mobile page passes all accept the
>> MIME type.
>>
>> Page code:
>>
>>  
>>
>> 
>>
>> > "http://www.wapforum.org/DTD/xhtml-mobile10.dtd";>
>>
>> http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml";>
>>
>>   
>>
>> Virginia.gov Mobile - Home
>>
>> 
>>
>> 
>>
>> 
>>
>> 
>>
>>  />
>>   
>>
>> 
>>
>> 
>>
>> 
>>
>> @import url(../../css/m_index.css);
>>
>> 
>>
>> > media="only screen and (max-device-width: 480px)" />
>>
>>   
>>
>>   
>>
>>   
>>
>> 
>>
>>   > height="40" alt="Virginia.gov Mobile Web Services" />
>>
>>   Switch to
>> Expanded Mobile Pages
>>
>> 
>>
>> Home
>>
>> 
>>
>>   Mobile Virginia.gov Services:
>>
>>   
>>
>> Home
>>
>> Search
> Virginia.gov
>>   
>>
>>   People:
>>
>>   
>>
>> Citizens
>>
>> Families
>>
>> State
>> Employees
>>
>> Students
>>
>>   
>>
>>   Information:
>>
>>   
>>
>>  href="info_government.html"

RE: [WSG] Mobile Page Passes but MIME Type Fails

[Kevin Erickson]

Thanks much!! I will try this.

-Original Message-
From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On
Behalf Of Phil Archer
Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2010 1:51 AM
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: Re: [WSG] Mobile Page Passes but MIME Type Fails

The Doctype for XHTML Basic 1.1 is:

http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml-basic/xhtml-basic11.dtd";>


HTH

Phil.

Kevin Erickson wrote:
> Question: For the line, 
>  "http://www.wapforum.org/DTD/xhtml-mobile10.dtd";>, 
> would I change this to, 
>  "http://www.wapforum.org/DTD/xhtml-mobile10.dtd";>, ??
> 
> And change, 
> , 
> to, 
> , ??
> 
> I have not been able to find the answers on the web.
> Thanks.
> 
> Kevin
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On
> Behalf Of Phil Archer
> Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2010 6:15 PM
> To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
> Subject: Re: [WSG] Mobile Page Passes but MIME Type Fails
> 
> Hi Kevin,
> 
> The answer is in your e-mail. You have created a page using a version of 
> XHTML for which the correct MIME type is application/vnd.wap.xhtml+xml 
> or application/xhtml+xml
> 
> but you're sending text/html so there is a mismatch, hence the warning.
> 
> The recommended markup for  mobile is now XHTML Basic 1.1 for which the 
> appropriate MIME type is application/xhtml+xml but if you're sending to 
> a device that doesn't support that (essentially just IE) then you'll 
> need to do as you are doing and use text/html.
> 
> However... this is a warning, not a failure, so you may decide just to 
> leave things as they are ;-)
> 
> Presumably you got this warning from the mobi Ready tool? This uses the 
> same core code as the W3C mobileOK checker 
> http://validator.w3.org/mobile/ (although we've added a lot of extra UI 
> stuff over the last year or so).
> 
> HTH
> 
> Phil.
> 
> Kevin Erickson wrote:
>> Hello All,
>>
>> If anyone can help me understand why my mobile page passes all accept the
>> MIME type.
>>
>> Page code:
>>
>>  
>>
>> 
>>
>> > "http://www.wapforum.org/DTD/xhtml-mobile10.dtd";>
>>
>> http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml";>
>>
>>   
>>
>> Virginia.gov Mobile - Home
>>
>> 
>>
>> 
>>
>> 
>>
>> 
>>
>>  />
>>   
>>
>> 
>>
>> 
>>
>> 
>>
>> @import url(../../css/m_index.css);
>>
>> 
>>
>> > media="only screen and (max-device-width: 480px)" />
>>
>>   
>>
>>   
>>
>>   
>>
>> 
>>
>>   > height="40" alt="Virginia.gov Mobile Web Services" />
>>
>>   Switch to
>> Expanded Mobile Pages
>>
>> 
>>
>> Home
>>
>> 
>>
>>   Mobile Virginia.gov Services:
>>
>>   
>>
>> Home
>>
>> Search
> Virginia.gov
>>   
>>
>>   People:
>>
>>   
>>
>> Citizens
>>
>> Families
>>
>> State
>> Employees
>>
>> Students
>>
>>   
>>
>>   Information:
>>
>>   
>>
>>  href="info_government.html">Government
>> Online
>> Services
>>
>> Business
>>
>>  href="info_employment.html">Employment
>> Education
>>
>> Tourism and
>> Travel
>>
>>   
>>
>> About Virginia:
>>
>>   
>>
>> Facts and
>> History
>>
>> Mapping
>> Virginia
>>
>>   
>>
>> 
>>
>> 
>>
>>   
>>
>> mobile.virginia.gov
>>
>> http://www.virginia.gov";>Virginia.gov Home
>>
>> >
>
href="http://www.virginia.gov/cmsportal3/about_virginia.gov_4096/web_policy.
>> html">Site Policies
>>
>> >
>
href="http://www.virginia.gov/cmsportal3/about_virginia.gov_4096/contact_us.
>> html">Contact Virginia.gov
>>
>>   
>>
>> 
>>
>>   
>>
>> 
>>
>>  
>>
>> To test the page I used http://ready.mobi/launch.jsp?locale=en_EN and the
>> error says:
>&g

RE: [WSG] Mobile Page Passes but MIME Type Fails

[Kevin Erickson]

Question: For the line, 
http://www.wapforum.org/DTD/xhtml-mobile10.dtd";>, 
would I change this to, 
http://www.wapforum.org/DTD/xhtml-mobile10.dtd";>, ??

And change, 
, 
to, 
, ??

I have not been able to find the answers on the web.
Thanks.

Kevin

-Original Message-
From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On
Behalf Of Phil Archer
Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2010 6:15 PM
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: Re: [WSG] Mobile Page Passes but MIME Type Fails

Hi Kevin,

The answer is in your e-mail. You have created a page using a version of 
XHTML for which the correct MIME type is application/vnd.wap.xhtml+xml 
or application/xhtml+xml

but you're sending text/html so there is a mismatch, hence the warning.

The recommended markup for  mobile is now XHTML Basic 1.1 for which the 
appropriate MIME type is application/xhtml+xml but if you're sending to 
a device that doesn't support that (essentially just IE) then you'll 
need to do as you are doing and use text/html.

However... this is a warning, not a failure, so you may decide just to 
leave things as they are ;-)

Presumably you got this warning from the mobi Ready tool? This uses the 
same core code as the W3C mobileOK checker 
http://validator.w3.org/mobile/ (although we've added a lot of extra UI 
stuff over the last year or so).

HTH

Phil.

Kevin Erickson wrote:
> Hello All,
> 
> If anyone can help me understand why my mobile page passes all accept the
> MIME type.
> 
> Page code:
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
>  "http://www.wapforum.org/DTD/xhtml-mobile10.dtd";>
> 
> http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml";>
> 
>   
> 
> Virginia.gov Mobile - Home
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>   
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> @import url(../../css/m_index.css);
> 
> 
> 
>  media="only screen and (max-device-width: 480px)" />
> 
>   
> 
>   
> 
>   
> 
> 
> 
>height="40" alt="Virginia.gov Mobile Web Services" />
> 
>   Switch to
> Expanded Mobile Pages
> 
> 
> 
> Home
> 
> 
> 
>   Mobile Virginia.gov Services:
> 
>   
> 
> Home
> 
> Search
Virginia.gov
> 
>   
> 
>   People:
> 
>   
> 
> Citizens
> 
> Families
> 
> State
> Employees
> 
> Students
> 
>   
> 
>   Information:
> 
>   
> 
> Government
> 
> Online
> Services
> 
> Business
> 
> Employment
> 
> Education
> 
> Tourism and
> Travel
> 
>   
> 
> About Virginia:
> 
>   
> 
> Facts and
> History
> 
> Mapping
> Virginia
> 
>   
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>   
> 
> mobile.virginia.gov
> 
> http://www.virginia.gov";>Virginia.gov Home
> 
> 
href="http://www.virginia.gov/cmsportal3/about_virginia.gov_4096/web_policy.
> html">Site Policies
> 
> 
href="http://www.virginia.gov/cmsportal3/about_virginia.gov_4096/contact_us.
> html">Contact Virginia.gov
> 
>   
> 
> 
> 
>   
> 
> 
> 
>  
> 
> To test the page I used http://ready.mobi/launch.jsp?locale=en_EN and the
> error says:
> 
>  
> 
> Incorrect or missing MIME types were detected
> 
> The MIME types sent by servers give very important information to browsers
> as to how to treat a document. If incorrect MIME types are sent with a
> document, it may prevent the browser from correctly interpreting the
> document and failing to render a document. 
> 
> For XHTML-MP, the recommended MIME type is application/vnd.wap.xhtml+xml
or
> application/xhtml+xml. Unlike HTML, XHTML-MP should not be served as
> text/html.
> 
> Web servers are often set up correctly for common document types such as
> HTML and CSS, but often do not have the correct doc types for XHTML-MP.
> Please refer to mobiForge <http://mobiforge.com>  for instructions on how
to
> set up your MIME types correctly.
> 
>  WARN
> MIME type was detected as text/html
> 
>  
> 
> I would send a link to the page but it is on a secure server.
> 
> Thank you very much for any help on this,
> 
>  
> 
> Kevin
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [WSG] Mobile Page Passes but MIME Type Fails

[Kevin Erickson]

I will take the advice from your emails and try again. I could leave it but it 
is something I just want to fix. Many Thanks!!!
Sent from my BlackBerry®

-Original Message-
From: Phil Archer 
Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2010 23:15:09 
To: 
Subject: Re: [WSG] Mobile Page Passes but MIME Type Fails

Hi Kevin,

The answer is in your e-mail. You have created a page using a version of 
XHTML for which the correct MIME type is application/vnd.wap.xhtml+xml 
or application/xhtml+xml

but you're sending text/html so there is a mismatch, hence the warning.

The recommended markup for  mobile is now XHTML Basic 1.1 for which the 
appropriate MIME type is application/xhtml+xml but if you're sending to 
a device that doesn't support that (essentially just IE) then you'll 
need to do as you are doing and use text/html.

However... this is a warning, not a failure, so you may decide just to 
leave things as they are ;-)

Presumably you got this warning from the mobi Ready tool? This uses the 
same core code as the W3C mobileOK checker 
http://validator.w3.org/mobile/ (although we've added a lot of extra UI 
stuff over the last year or so).

HTH

Phil.

Kevin Erickson wrote:
> Hello All,
> 
> If anyone can help me understand why my mobile page passes all accept the
> MIME type.
> 
> Page code:
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
>  "http://www.wapforum.org/DTD/xhtml-mobile10.dtd";>
> 
> http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml";>
> 
>   
> 
> Virginia.gov Mobile - Home
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>   
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> @import url(../../css/m_index.css);
> 
> 
> 
>  media="only screen and (max-device-width: 480px)" />
> 
>   
> 
>   
> 
>   
> 
> 
> 
>height="40" alt="Virginia.gov Mobile Web Services" />
> 
>   Switch to
> Expanded Mobile Pages
> 
> 
> 
> Home
> 
> 
> 
>   Mobile Virginia.gov Services:
> 
>   
> 
> Home
> 
> Search Virginia.gov
> 
>   
> 
>   People:
> 
>   
> 
> Citizens
> 
> Families
> 
> State
> Employees
> 
> Students
> 
>   
> 
>   Information:
> 
>   
> 
> Government
> 
> Online
> Services
> 
> Business
> 
> Employment
> 
> Education
> 
> Tourism and
> Travel
> 
>   
> 
> About Virginia:
> 
>   
> 
> Facts and
> History
> 
> Mapping
> Virginia
> 
>   
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>   
> 
> mobile.virginia.gov
> 
> http://www.virginia.gov";>Virginia.gov Home
> 
>  href="http://www.virginia.gov/cmsportal3/about_virginia.gov_4096/web_policy.
> html">Site Policies
> 
>  href="http://www.virginia.gov/cmsportal3/about_virginia.gov_4096/contact_us.
> html">Contact Virginia.gov
> 
>   
> 
> 
> 
>   
> 
> 
> 
>  
> 
> To test the page I used http://ready.mobi/launch.jsp?locale=en_EN and the
> error says:
> 
>  
> 
> Incorrect or missing MIME types were detected
> 
> The MIME types sent by servers give very important information to browsers
> as to how to treat a document. If incorrect MIME types are sent with a
> document, it may prevent the browser from correctly interpreting the
> document and failing to render a document. 
> 
> For XHTML-MP, the recommended MIME type is application/vnd.wap.xhtml+xml or
> application/xhtml+xml. Unlike HTML, XHTML-MP should not be served as
> text/html.
> 
> Web servers are often set up correctly for common document types such as
> HTML and CSS, but often do not have the correct doc types for XHTML-MP.
> Please refer to mobiForge <http://mobiforge.com>  for instructions on how to
> set up your MIME types correctly.
> 
>  WARN
> MIME type was detected as text/html
> 
>  
> 
> I would send a link to the page but it is on a secure server.
> 
> Thank you very much for any help on this,
> 
>  
> 
> Kevin
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
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[WSG] Mobile Page Passes but MIME Type Fails

[Kevin Erickson]

Hello All,

If anyone can help me understand why my mobile page passes all accept the
MIME type.

Page code:

 



http://www.wapforum.org/DTD/xhtml-mobile10.dtd";>

http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml";>

  

Virginia.gov Mobile - Home











  







@import url(../../css/m_index.css);





  

  

  



  

  Switch to
Expanded Mobile Pages



Home



  Mobile Virginia.gov Services:

  

Home

Search Virginia.gov

  

  People:

  

Citizens

Families

State
Employees

Students

  

  Information:

  

Government

Online
Services

Business

Employment

Education

Tourism and
Travel

  

About Virginia:

  

Facts and
History

Mapping
Virginia

  





  

mobile.virginia.gov

http://www.virginia.gov";>Virginia.gov Home

http://www.virginia.gov/cmsportal3/about_virginia.gov_4096/web_policy.
html">Site Policies

http://www.virginia.gov/cmsportal3/about_virginia.gov_4096/contact_us.
html">Contact Virginia.gov

  



  



 

To test the page I used http://ready.mobi/launch.jsp?locale=en_EN and the
error says:

 

Incorrect or missing MIME types were detected

The MIME types sent by servers give very important information to browsers
as to how to treat a document. If incorrect MIME types are sent with a
document, it may prevent the browser from correctly interpreting the
document and failing to render a document. 

For XHTML-MP, the recommended MIME type is application/vnd.wap.xhtml+xml or
application/xhtml+xml. Unlike HTML, XHTML-MP should not be served as
text/html.

Web servers are often set up correctly for common document types such as
HTML and CSS, but often do not have the correct doc types for XHTML-MP.
Please refer to mobiForge   for instructions on how to
set up your MIME types correctly.

 WARN
MIME type was detected as text/html

 

I would send a link to the page but it is on a secure server.

Thank you very much for any help on this,

 

Kevin

 



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[WSG] Help with mobile MIME type always fails test

[Kevin Erickson]

Hello all,
I am hoping someone can help me with a MIME for mobile sites problem I am
having. I have a page,
http://devel.virginiainteractive.org/demo/portalredesign2010/mobile/mobile_p
ages/, that will not pass the test for mobile MIME type using the
http://mobiready.com/launch.jsp mobile site tester. I have tested other big
brand mobile sites for government and commercial and none seem to pass this
either. Can someone please advise?

Thank you very much,
Kevin 



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RE: [WSG] Up-to-date resources for mobile front-end dev

[Kevin Erickson]

This is a great question man!!!
Lots of info on the Web but here are a few:
http://mobiforge.com/starting/story/a-beginners-guide-mobile-web-development

http://mtld.mobi/resource/mobilize 
http://mtld.mobi/resources 
http://mobithinking.com/best-practices 
Testing:
http://ready.mobi/launch.jsp?locale=en_EN (excellent! Tests and has
emulators) 
http://validator.w3.org/mobile/ 

I hope to see more on this here.
I have developed some basic as we are getting ready for Virginia.gov to go
mobile.

Cheers!
Kevin


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List,

Does anyone have any good Up-to-date resources for mobile front-end dev?

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[WSG] E-commerce

[Kevin Erickson]

Hi,

Does anyone have input on what is a good Web standards e-commerce solution?

Thanks,

Kevin


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[WSG] Safari Beta 4

[Kevin Erickson]

Hi,

Anyone know about how the new Safari Beta 4 is handling the current
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Re: [WSG] Accesbility Help

[kevin erickson]

reCAPTCHA sounds good. I tried it out and the audio for vision impaired  
visitors worked fine.
The service seems to be free and is set up to digitize old books that  
cannot be scanned, literally, one word at a time. Pretty amazing!


kevin



Hi,
I've seen this captcha service and, according to their website, it's
accessible to blind users. I didn't check it, so I don't know... anyway,
here's the link: http://recaptcha.net/

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Re: [WSG] Accesbility Help

[kevin erickson]

It seems the best alternative might be to have the ability to call you or  
contact you in some way for verification for handicapped individuals.


regards,
kevin


This is a mixed question, I have a contact form that I'm
building. I want to add a human verifier to the forms but not a captcha  
one

because they are far from accessible, I'm not that good at PHP though to
figure it out, I already use the Mikes Green Beast form for general  
contact
but this will be to process order request. I've trawled the internet but  
all

I can find is captcha solutions, can any one point me in the right
direction?


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Re: [WSG] Google chrome... Accessibility coming very soon???

[kevin erickson]

Thank you for the report Steve. It was very helpful!!

kevin

On Wed, 03 Sep 2008 11:23:15 -0400, Steve Green  
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Yes, this is the case. There has been a lot of talk about this in GAWDS,  
and

Steve Faulkner has written about it at
http://www.paciellogroup.com/blog/?p=92.

Basically it looks like there's no MSAA support. If they don't address  
this,

many large organisations (at least in the UK) will not use it. I imagine
that such organisations are exactly the people Google are expecting to  
build

applications using Chrome, so hopefully this will be addressed at some
point, ideally before it comes out of beta.

Steve


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I have a huge concern about accessibility here. Apparently Jaws and other
screen readers don't work on Google Chrome at all. Can others please
confirm?

kevin


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Re: [WSG] Google chrome... Accessibility coming very soon???

[kevin erickson]

I have a huge concern about accessibility here. Apparently Jaws and other  
screen readers don't work on Google Chrome at all. Can others please  
confirm?


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Re: WSG promoting standards via teaching? Re: [WSG] Positioning was Extra white line on the top of my list

[kevin erickson]

You know the saying, 'If you don't like something, ignore it and it will  
go away'? Let's try that here :D
On Tue, 05 Aug 2008 12:48:57 -0400, Andrew Maben <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  
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On Aug 5, 2008, at 12:17 PM, Joseph Ortenzi wrote:


Would I be considered rude if I asked you to continue this
particular thread off board?


Thanks, Joe. As you saw, I took it off the list once but David had to
bring it right back. It looks to me as if he just wants to annoy
people, so I've contacted Russ about it.

Andrew

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Re: WSG promoting standards via teaching? Re: [WSG] Positioning was Extra white line on the top of my list

[kevin erickson]

I have an idea. Let's let go this for now and let the mediator tell us  
when we are off the web standards fuzzy line. No?


Peace to all!

On Tue, 05 Aug 2008 11:55:13 -0400, David Fuller - magickweb  
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



I spend my development time actually working on client sites...

How I spend my time is none of your concern - If your going to start  
getting

all antsy and narcissistic then its showing your not professional...



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was

Extra white line on the top of my list

What would be more a productive use of your time David is validating
your pages.
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes

And there is plenty of "We are still moving into our new site...
please bear with us..." stuff that still needs to be written.

Just a suggestion.

On 5/08/2008, at 12:34 PM, David Fuller - magickweb wrote:


Well hey everybody...

It would appear Andrew has decided to take his "comments" out of the
public
view and turn them personal... Please read..

On Aug 1, 2008, at 2:31 PM, David Fuller - magickweb wrote:


group does NOT have to be SPECIFICALLY about web standards


Perhaps not, but totally irrelevant attacks on any platform are a
waste of
everyone's time and energy.


Frankly I don't believe anyone on this list learned anything useful
from the
fact that you don't like macs.


So as one professional to another, please keep your comments
constructive at
least. If you have a reasoned argument as to why the macintosh
platform is
inimical to web standards, I for one would be interested to hear
what you
have to say. Otherwise your remark is as useful and informative to
this list
as your tastes in ice-cream would be.



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"In a well designed user interface, the user should not need
instructions."



Andrew if you are so afraid of negative comments, don't post at all.
My
comments were not aimed @ macs or any other platform - get your
facts right
before you start sprouting your mouth off...

I used that "development platform" as an EXAMPLE of similar
discussions had
in the past where people got uppity... I was not referring to now..

To paraphrase yourself Andrew "If you have something of value, then
don't
bring it to the forum"

Why can people not realize that they are not the end all and be all,
and my
main point was this. Those with less skills than professionals like
myself
(and Andrew I don't know I haven't seen his work) will ask questions
to
learn and to grow as developers...

If we as a community want a unified web standard and it to be widely
used
and accepted, we need to encourage, help and support those who are
still
learning...

Why is that so hard for you to fathom Andrew?


David Fuller
Developer
magickweb
Web:http://www.magick.com.au
Tel:   0434 728 267
Email:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]


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was
Extra white line on the top of my list

I suspect there is more than a grain of truth in both David and
Adams views.

If places like this are to reach the widest possible audience they
must be
accessible to all (with reason); ditto to be a usable standards
debating
forum we should be debating the finer points not spending ALL our
time on
what the experts among us may consider to be trivial.

Two suggestions;

[1]That we all take a moment to consider those who may know a
little
less than we on a specific subject and attempt to use plain English
when
replying;  thus to help others along the way.

[2]When responding to eager questioners such as Michael suggest
that
they take the conversation off the forum; but please bring it back
when a
conclusion has been reached as I suspect I lot of equally eager thread
watchers may be keen to know the answer too.

I will now return to lurking

Regards

Ian Chamberlain
ex-Head of Web Strategy BT Global Services; now Freelancing and
having a
ball.
www.chamberlainsofharrogate.co.uk


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Adam...

I am sorry but I have to disagree whole heartedly... What is the
standards
group, if not a place where all people can who choose to, can come
and gain
guidance and learning to become STANDARDS COMPLIANT??? I