RE: [WSG] What is the best solution for IE6 png issue?

2008-08-03 Thread Phillips, Wendy
I would agree. When you have over 20,000 employees and multiple legacy systems, 
upgrading an OS is a really big deal and you will always be behind the pack. 
Staff don't have the choice or ability to upgrade.


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 as to say look at the theory of developing specifics for IE6. There is 
 a gaining movement around to start phasing out IE6 support - look at 
 37signals, I think they begin IE6 phase out this week or next. They've 
 done their maths and taken a gamble. Hopefully it'll spark something.
 [snip...]
 In the end, do you want to spend hours developing hacks for IE6 or 
 just nicely push people into an upgrade path?
   
OT and not much to do with IE6 .png solutions but instead, the ongoing support 
of IE6 aspect of this thread.

I was advised by a lesser Microsoft management bot that many corporate 
organisations have a 'latest minus one' policy, which means only running up to 
the previous version of any current browser. This will hopefully mean that when 
IE8 is fully released many corporate techs will then upgrade to IE7, ideally 
resulting in a bulk upgrade of the costly IE6.

I hope this has some truth.


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RE: [WSG] The name of THAT css/flash font

2005-04-11 Thread Phillips, Wendy
You might mean SIFR or Scalable Inman Flash Replacement

http://www.mikeindustries.com/blog/archive/2004/08/sifr 


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[WSG] Microsoft going to improve Internet Explorer?

2004-06-24 Thread Phillips, Wendy
http://blogs.msdn.com/dmassy/archive/2004/06/16/157263.aspx

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[WSG] new window losing it's anchor place

2004-06-07 Thread Phillips, Wendy
I'm using the recommended accessible way to open a new browser window (yes, I know but 
it's an elearning module and we have to link out to internal content so learners can 
view reference material without losing their place, plus they are quite used to this 
method).

However, I'm finding that if the window is opened small to an anchor on the opened 
page, when the window is resized, the content in the window changes to another section 
of the page - about a half page worth downwards

a 
href=http://www.cdn.telstra.com.au/cc-foss/url/1product/isdn2blcomplete.htm#how_work; 
onclick=window.open(this.href, 'popupwindow', 
'toolbar=yes,location=yes,status=yes,menubar=yes,scrollbars=yes,resizable=yes,width=300,height=300');
 return false;

any fixes welcome...

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RE: [WSG] new window losing it's anchor place

2004-06-07 Thread Phillips, Wendy
Title: RE: [WSG] new window losing it's anchor place



Not 
sure how onkeypress would interfere with other similar links on the page - the 
link can be tabbed to and therefore works via keyboard only.

The 
page that opens in the new window has a number of anchor links - this is just 
one of them. I've tried changing to different anchors and the same problem 
occurs, unless it is the last anchor on the page and there is no where else for 
the window to shift to. I can only presume it's something to do with the window 
refreshing itself when it is resized?

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  -Original Message-From: Jeff Lowder - Accessibility 
  1st [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Tuesday, 8 
  June 2004 2:54 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: 
  RE: [WSG] new window losing it's anchor place
  Hi 
  Wendy
  1. 
  Where is 
  #how_work on the page?
  2. You should 
  also add onkeypress="window.open(this.href, 'popupwindow', 
  'toolbar=yes,location=yes,status=yes,menubar=yes,scrollbars=yes,resizable=yes,width=300,height=300'); 
  return false;" just to 
  make sure it's 
  available via keyboard only.
  Cheers 
  
  Jeff 
  Lowder
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  1st
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  Blog: www.accessibility1st.com.au/journal/
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  Message-
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  On Behalf Of Phillips, Wendy
  Sent: Tuesday, 
  8 June 2004 2:32 PM
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  Subject: [WSG] 
  new window losing it's anchor place
  I'm using the 
  recommended accessible way to open a new browser window (yes, I know but it's 
  an elearning module and we have to link out to internal content so learners 
  can view reference material without losing their place, plus they are quite 
  used to this method).
  However, I'm 
  finding that if the window is opened small to an anchor on the opened page, 
  when the window is resized, the content in the window changes to another 
  section of the page - about a half page worth downwards
  a href=""http://www.cdn.telstra.com.au/cc-foss/url/1product/isdn2blcomplete.htm#how_work">http://www.cdn.telstra.com.au/cc-foss/url/1product/isdn2blcomplete.htm#how_work" 
  
  any fixes 
  welcome...
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[WSG] image swallowing my list

2004-05-11 Thread Phillips, Wendy
I can't seem to find a reference to this problem:

I have an list defined with a background image. If I place this next to an image 
aligned left, the bullets are hidden by the image. I've tried different padding etc 
and that makes no difference - developing purely for IE6

ul li {
list-style-type: none;
background: url(../img/bulletStar.gif) no-repeat 0 2px;
padding-left: 18px;
background-color: transparent;
font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;
font-size: 13px;
color: #000;
}


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RE: [WSG] image swallowing my list

2004-05-11 Thread Phillips, Wendy
No it does not remove the bullets as a background image is being used instead

I tried float and left align - same result. I also tried margin-left.

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From: Hill, Tim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, 12 May 2004 11:04 AM
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list-style-type: none; will remove the bullets non? 

Also I think you could combine the background and background-color rules
to just read
background: transparent url(../img/bulletStar.gif) no-repeat 0 2px;

The image that is aligned left? Is floated left?
Maybe try using margin-left if you want more space between the left
aligned image and your ul

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Subject: [WSG] image swallowing my list

I can't seem to find a reference to this problem:

I have an list defined with a background image. If I place this next to
an image aligned left, the bullets are hidden by the image. I've tried
different padding etc and that makes no difference - developing purely
for IE6

ul li {
list-style-type: none;
background: url(../img/bulletStar.gif) no-repeat 0 2px;
padding-left: 18px;
background-color: transparent;
font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;
font-size: 13px;
color: #000;
}


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RE: [WSG] image swallowing my list

2004-05-11 Thread Phillips, Wendy
I believe I have solved it - I think it's an IE Box model problem and may be isolated 
to our LAN version of IE which sometimes appears to do IE 5 things instead of IE 6 
(the bods tinker with it).

I specified a width (100%) for the UL and it's spot on now (running in non-quirks 
mode). 

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-Original Message-
From: Hill, Tim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, 12 May 2004 11:04 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [WSG] image swallowing my list


list-style-type: none; will remove the bullets non? 

Also I think you could combine the background and background-color rules
to just read
background: transparent url(../img/bulletStar.gif) no-repeat 0 2px;

The image that is aligned left? Is floated left?
Maybe try using margin-left if you want more space between the left
aligned image and your ul

Tim Hill
Computer Associates
Graphic Artist
tel: +612 9937 0792
fax: +612 9937 0546
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Phillips, Wendy
Sent: Wednesday, 12 May 2004 10:14 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [WSG] image swallowing my list

I can't seem to find a reference to this problem:

I have an list defined with a background image. If I place this next to
an image aligned left, the bullets are hidden by the image. I've tried
different padding etc and that makes no difference - developing purely
for IE6

ul li {
list-style-type: none;
background: url(../img/bulletStar.gif) no-repeat 0 2px;
padding-left: 18px;
background-color: transparent;
font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;
font-size: 13px;
color: #000;
}


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[WSG] print style - reposition a div

2004-05-05 Thread Phillips, Wendy
Not sure how to tackle this ...

I have a two column table - in the right hand column is a div. I have a print style 
sheet and would like this div to position itself at the end of all other content in 
the print version.

Is this possible?

Thanks

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RE: [WSG] Scrollbars in IE6 (PC)

2004-03-24 Thread Phillips, Wendy
IE6 has a bug with frames and scrollbars when the page contains an XHTML doctype 
declaration. If the content causes vertical scrollbars, IE thinks that the width of 
the scrollbar must be included in the overall width of the page and produces 
horizontal scrollbars when they are not necessary. The only way around this is to set 
scrolling=yes in the frameset, and not auto. You end up with ghost vertical scrollbars 
but there is no solution to this that I have found.

If you have an XML prologue inserted, this doesn't happen - Unfortunately, another bug 
in Internet Explorer is affected by anything that appears before the DOCTYPE and the 
browser is then sent into Quirks Mode. The ?xml prolog causes IE to miss the DOCTYPE 
declaration and therefore renders the page in a non-standards compliant way. Luckily, 
the prolog is not mandatory and can be removed and you are stuck with the first 
solution. 

I'm not interested in an anti frame discussion however I also use frames for internal 
online modules - they really don't pose as many accessibility problems as you might 
think once you institute a few things:

- correct titling and naming of frames
- correct titling of each page
- skip links to main content
- no frames content that goes to the content pages which have navigation to go from 
page to page and no need of the frames
- next and back buttons go straight to named anchors to the main content
- print button to print only the frame content and a print stylesheet to format this 
for print
- logical tabbing order
- I did have access keys but I weighed up the arguments for and against and  removed 
them

(Assistive technologies determine the content in each frame and present the user with 
a list of the frames, enabling them to select the content they wish to access, 
supplementing the use of a skip link. 

It is therefore important to use meaningful frame names in the frameset page and 
titles as the individual page titles - different technologies use either of these. It 
is easy to neglect page titles in framesets, as the page title normally displayed in 
the browser is that of the frameset page itself.)


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 -Original Message-
 From: Vaska.WSG [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Wednesday, 24 March 2004 7:06 pm
 To:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject:  [WSG] Scrollbars in IE6 (PC)
 
 Hi everybody...
 
 I'm having a terrible time trying to figure out just why IE6 (Windows 
 XP) is throwing scrollbars at me when I view a page in a frame - I'm 
 really not sure what the trick is to this (if there is one).  I hate to 
 ask dumb or redundant questions, but this one is really nagging.
 
 Thanks for any advice on this...v
 
 Once again, this is being view in a frame...here is the gist of the CSS:
 
 body {
   margin: 0px;
 }
 .container {
   margin: 0px;
   padding: 0px;
   width: 100%;
 }
 .subhead1 {
   margin: 0px;
   padding: 6px 0px 0px 12px;
 }
 .subhead2 {
   margin: 0px;
   padding: 3px 12px 1px;
   height: 30px;
   border-bottom: 1px solid #99;
 }
 .content {
   margin: 0px;
   padding: 0px;
   width: 100%;
 }
 .content-pad {
   padding: 0px;
   margin: 12px;
 }
 etc...
 
 The makeup of the file...
 
 div class='container'
 
 div class='subhead1'Just some title text/div
 
 div class='subhead2'
 A table at width='100%'...
 /div
 
 div class='content'
 div class='content-pad'
 
 div class='column'
 Lots of things go in here, it varies.  Some times a table at 
 width='100%'
 /div
 
 /div
 /div
 
 /div
 
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RE: [WSG] css from photoshop file?

2004-03-18 Thread Phillips, Wendy
I've actually nearly always designed new sites or templates from my graphics file - 
whether that's fireworks or photopaint. To me, there's no difference in the two 
methods but designing your layout visually in the first instance gives you the best 
idea as to how the finished product will more or less look and you can easily move 
things around, change colors etc until you are happy with it. 

It's when the design is curvy or you need to slice images that things can get fiddly.

The trick is to design from the start with the method of ultimate output in mind - 
I've had to convert other people's graphics to layouts in the past and because they 
had no idea as to how a page is 'built' it was much harder and some elements had to be 
sacrificed or changed.  

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 -Original Message-
 From: Neerav [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Friday, 19 March 2004 9:48 am
 To:   WSG
 Subject:  [WSG] css from photoshop file?
 
 I have always written standards compliant css for a site around a 
 clients recommendations as to colours and position of logos etc. Now 
 I've been asked:
 
 You'd be fine doing the templates from supplied photoshop files?
 
 I guess this would mean replicating the look of a PSD file with css 
 code? Would this kind of client expect standards compliant css or rigid 
 WYSIWYG works in IE code, any tips to ensure that the result will be 
 decent css are appreciated.
 
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RE: [WSG] dreamweaver

2004-03-16 Thread Phillips, Wendy
Sorry - I should have said I use DW MX - we're still on NT here and MX 2004 doesn't 
run on it. 2004 will have more accessibility and standards support options that plain 
MX.

As Scott says, you can work in code view, design view, split - whatever you like. I'm 
in and out of all of them all day long. 

MX has some CSS display problems inside design view, which 2004 is supposed to have 
overcome somewhat, but as we work with style sheets that are as familiar as the 
proverbial back of hand,  this is no biggy.

Integration with Flash and Fireworks is also a bonus.

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 -Original Message-
 From: scott parsons [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Wednesday, 17 March 2004 3:49 pm
 To:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject:  Re: [WSG] dreamweaver
 
 I use DW 2004, and rate it most highly. Since I pretty much just use the 
 code view the html produced is mostly down to me... but  even the design 
 view is pretty good if the user actually knows how to use DW properly.
 
 The support for standards is high, including built in validators html 
 tidy and xhtml or regular html.
 
 If you use homesite you might end up liking DW a lot, as you can turn 
 off lots of code hinting and just about revert to homesite. But retain 
 the superior find and replace, site and other DW features...
 
 Plus the collaborative features are handy. I like DW, I'm sure others 
 have other preferences
 
 s
 
 I definately think it is worth it
 
 
 Peter Ottery wrote:
 
  anyone using dreamweaver?
   
  as far as 100% valid transitional and strict xhtml sites go, can 
  dreamweaver have its preferences etc manipulated enough to be to 
  produce markup and css exactly the way you want? I've always used 
  homesite religiously to handcode sites but may need to look to 
  dreamweaver to satisfy some more complicated templating needs and 
  sharing them across several designers (which dreamweaver looks like it 
  can handle) - i just need to ensure dreamweaver can be whipped into 
  line to produce squeaky clean standards based markup. (and yeah, i've 
  read the macromedia site blurbs - but I was hoping to hear from anyone 
  that has a lot of first hand experience with it - particularly on 
  large scale sites  maybe sharing templates between workmates etc)
   
  pete
   
   
 
 
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RE: [WSG] IE keyboard shortcut

2004-02-18 Thread Phillips, Wendy

You could perhaps use Access Keys ...


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 -Original Message-
 From: Tim Lucas [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Thursday, 19 February 2004 11:23 am
 To:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject:  Re: [WSG] IE keyboard shortcut
 
 
 Rex Chung spoke the following wise words on 19/02/2004 10:51 AM EST:
 
 does anyone know if there's a keyboard shortcut [in Internet Explorer] for jumping 
 to the next headings (h1,h2,h3 etc) on the page?
 
 Nope.
   http://balasainet.com/iesupersite/support/keyboardshortcuts.htm
 
 -- tim
 
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RE: [WSG] Browser / OS combo irregularity

2004-02-03 Thread Phillips, Wendy

It seems there is an incorrect use of alt tags here - correct tagging would assist use 
of image mapping

See this article

http://diveintoaccessibility.org/day_24_providing_text_equivalents_for_image_maps.html

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 -Original Message-
 From: Bradley Wright [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Tuesday, 3 February 2004 1:48 pm
 To:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject:  Re: [WSG] Browser / OS combo irregularity
 
 
 Veine,
 
 I'm not trying to be harsh or anything, but the reason for not using image
 maps is primarily accessibility.
 
 Have a look at this:
 
 http://www.delorie.com/web/lynxview.cgi?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mainemaritime.edu%2Fredesign
 
 That's your site as seen through a Lynx browser - text only. GoogleBot and
 screen-readers would get a similar amount of meaning out of it. As you can
 see, the image map doesn't work very well at all for programs which only
 read text. Of course it depends on your target audience, but I'd think the
 problem with Google alone should be enough to convince you. :)
 
 Regards,
 
 Brad
 
 - Original Message - 
 From: Veine K Vikberg [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 1:17 PM
 Subject: Re: [WSG] Browser / OS combo irregularity
 
 
  Ryan;
 
  Lets hear your reasoning for not using them, and I am willing to change if
  your reasoning is good enough ;o)
  However, this client is these days *very* concerned with download time,
 and
  as it stands the page is downloading at approximately 8 seconds on a 56K
  modem under perfect conditions (not that it ever is but...) and that is
  what he wanted +2 seconds (he said under 10) with the graphics broken
  up,  I am close to that ten second mark, but if there is something I do
 not
  know about image maps, please enlighten me. (I did the one located at
  http://www.mainemaritime.edu 3 years ago when wait was the norm so it was
  no concern)
 
 Regards
 ~Veine
 
  At 07:25 PM 2/2/2004 -0500, you wrote:
 
 
  This really has nothing to do with your email, but I'd recommend staying
  away from image maps :) i always peek under the hood at the sites that
 get
  sent out on the list. As it's not released yet, you'd still have time to
  change your deployment method. If you don't agree, that's cool. I'm just
  biased against them :)
  
  --Ryan
  http://www.theward.net
  
  Veine K Vikberg wrote:
  
  Hello;
  
  http://www.mainemaritime.edu/redesign
  
  On Mac (OS8.5/IE5.1) looks good, except for around the search box, where
  there is some weird things going on.
  
  If anyone has any help/advice/links to help I would greatly appreciate
  them, especially the first problem as the client will look on his page
  through NS 7.1/XP Pro
  
  TIA  Regards
   ~Veine
  
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RE: [WSG] object z-indexing

2004-02-01 Thread Phillips, Wendy

Flash will always come to the top as it is an activeX object

you can use the wmode parameter but that is not supported in all browsers

http://www.macromedia.com/support/flash/ts/documents/flash_top_layer.htm

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 -Original Message-
 From: Simon Jessey [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Monday, 2 February 2004 12:01 pm
 To:   WSG
 Subject:  [WSG] object z-indexing
 
 
 Hey, all.
 
 Does anyone have any good experience with controlling the z-index of
 objects? I am trying to implement something where an object (in this case,
 some Flash) that is absolutely-positioned with respect to the viewport (with
 position: fixed) can have content pass both over it and under it. My
 experiments have yielded rendering problems in most common browsers. Here is
 an example:
 
 http://jessey.net/tests/z-object.html
 
 I have hidden the fixed positioning from Internet Explorer, but it should
 still respect the z-index values.
 
 
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