RE: [WSG] What is the best solution for IE6 png issue?
I would agree. When you have over 20,000 employees and multiple legacy systems, upgrading an OS is a really big deal and you will always be behind the pack. Staff don't have the choice or ability to upgrade. WP -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lewis, Matthew Sent: Monday, 4 August 2008 2:05 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] What is the best solution for IE6 png issue? > as to say look at the theory of developing specifics for IE6. There is > a gaining movement around to start phasing out IE6 support - look at > 37signals, I think they begin IE6 phase out this week or next. They've > done their maths and taken a gamble. Hopefully it'll spark something. > [snip...] > In the end, do you want to spend hours developing hacks for IE6 or > just nicely push people into an upgrade path? > OT and not much to do with IE6 .png solutions but instead, the ongoing support of IE6 aspect of this thread. I was advised by a lesser Microsoft management bot that many corporate organisations have a 'latest minus one' policy, which means only running up to the previous version of any current browser. This will hopefully mean that when IE8 is fully released many corporate techs will then upgrade to IE7, ideally resulting in a bulk upgrade of the costly IE6. I hope this has some truth. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] The name of THAT css/flash font
You might mean SIFR or Scalable Inman Flash Replacement http://www.mikeindustries.com/blog/archive/2004/08/sifr Wendy Phillips ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **
[WSG] Word - Accessible Forms
Looking for references on making Word forms accessible. Thanks! Wendy Phillips Telstra Job Ready L&D Customer Sales & Service ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **
[WSG] Microsoft going to improve Internet Explorer?
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RE: [WSG] new window losing it's anchor place
Title: RE: [WSG] new window losing it's anchor place Not sure how onkeypress would interfere with other similar links on the page - the link can be tabbed to and therefore works via keyboard only. The page that opens in the new window has a number of anchor links - this is just one of them. I've tried changing to different anchors and the same problem occurs, unless it is the last anchor on the page and there is no where else for the window to shift to. I can only presume it's something to do with the window refreshing itself when it is resized? WP Wendy Phillips Job Ready (Learning & Development) Customer Sales & Service___ -Original Message-From: Jeff Lowder - Accessibility 1st [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Tuesday, 8 June 2004 2:54 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: RE: [WSG] new window losing it's anchor place Hi Wendy 1. Where is #how_work on the page? 2. You should also add onkeypress="window.open(this.href, 'popupwindow', 'toolbar=yes,location=yes,status=yes,menubar=yes,scrollbars=yes,resizable=yes,width=300,height=300'); return false;" just to make sure it's available via keyboard only. Cheers Jeff Lowder Accessibility 1st Website: www.accessibility1st.com.au Blog: www.accessibility1st.com.au/journal/ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Phillips, Wendy Sent: Tuesday, 8 June 2004 2:32 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [WSG] new window losing it's anchor place I'm using the recommended accessible way to open a new browser window (yes, I know but it's an elearning module and we have to link out to internal content so learners can view reference material without losing their place, plus they are quite used to this method). However, I'm finding that if the window is opened small to an anchor on the opened page, when the window is resized, the content in the window changes to another section of the page - about a half page worth downwards http://www.cdn.telstra.com.au/cc-foss/url/1product/isdn2blcomplete.htm#how_work" > any fixes welcome... WP > Wendy Phillips > Job Ready (Learning & Development) > Customer Sales & Service > ___ * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help *
[WSG] new window losing it's anchor place
I'm using the recommended accessible way to open a new browser window (yes, I know but it's an elearning module and we have to link out to internal content so learners can view reference material without losing their place, plus they are quite used to this method). However, I'm finding that if the window is opened small to an anchor on the opened page, when the window is resized, the content in the window changes to another section of the page - about a half page worth downwards http://www.cdn.telstra.com.au/cc-foss/url/1product/isdn2blcomplete.htm#how_work"; onclick="window.open(this.href, 'popupwindow', 'toolbar=yes,location=yes,status=yes,menubar=yes,scrollbars=yes,resizable=yes,width=300,height=300'); return false;"> any fixes welcome... WP > Wendy Phillips > Job Ready (Learning & Development) > Customer Sales & Service > ___ * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help *
RE: [WSG] image swallowing my list
I believe I have solved it - I think it's an IE Box model problem and may be isolated
to our LAN version of IE which sometimes appears to do IE 5 things instead of IE 6
(the bods tinker with it).
I specified a width (100%) for the UL and it's spot on now (running in non-quirks
mode).
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Sent: Wednesday, 12 May 2004 11:04 AM
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Subject: RE: [WSG] image swallowing my list
list-style-type: none; will remove the bullets non?
Also I think you could combine the background and background-color rules
to just read
background: transparent url(../img/bulletStar.gif) no-repeat 0 2px;
The image that is aligned left? Is floated left?
Maybe try using margin-left if you want more space between the left
aligned image and your ul
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Subject: [WSG] image swallowing my list
I can't seem to find a reference to this problem:
I have an list defined with a background image. If I place this next to
an image aligned left, the bullets are hidden by the image. I've tried
different padding etc and that makes no difference - developing purely
for IE6
ul li {
list-style-type: none;
background: url(../img/bulletStar.gif) no-repeat 0 2px;
padding-left: 18px;
background-color: transparent;
font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;
font-size: 13px;
color: #000;
}
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RE: [WSG] image swallowing my list
No it does not remove the bullets as a background image is being used instead
I tried float and left align - same result. I also tried margin-left.
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Subject: RE: [WSG] image swallowing my list
list-style-type: none; will remove the bullets non?
Also I think you could combine the background and background-color rules
to just read
background: transparent url(../img/bulletStar.gif) no-repeat 0 2px;
The image that is aligned left? Is floated left?
Maybe try using margin-left if you want more space between the left
aligned image and your ul
Tim Hill
Computer Associates
Graphic Artist
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fax: +612 9937 0546
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Subject: [WSG] image swallowing my list
I can't seem to find a reference to this problem:
I have an list defined with a background image. If I place this next to
an image aligned left, the bullets are hidden by the image. I've tried
different padding etc and that makes no difference - developing purely
for IE6
ul li {
list-style-type: none;
background: url(../img/bulletStar.gif) no-repeat 0 2px;
padding-left: 18px;
background-color: transparent;
font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;
font-size: 13px;
color: #000;
}
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[WSG] image swallowing my list
I can't seem to find a reference to this problem:
I have an list defined with a background image. If I place this next to an image
aligned left, the bullets are hidden by the image. I've tried different padding etc
and that makes no difference - developing purely for IE6
ul li {
list-style-type: none;
background: url(../img/bulletStar.gif) no-repeat 0 2px;
padding-left: 18px;
background-color: transparent;
font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;
font-size: 13px;
color: #000;
}
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RE: [WSG] print style - reposition a div
I realise that however in this case it doesn't warrant it and there are other reasons. However I have displayed the div with a border and padding in the print.css and it is sufficient for my purposes, in that it delineates this from the main content - I'm happy enough with this as a solution. Thanks WP > Wendy Phillips > Job Ready (Learning & Development) > Customer Sales & Service > ___ > > Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Ph: 61 3 9203 2363 > Building 1, Ground Floor, 301 Burwood Hwy > Burwood 3125 > > Our Intranet Site http://www.in.telstra.com.au/ism/retail_learning_cs/ -Original Message- From: Tim Lucas [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, 6 May 2004 9:55 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [WSG] print style - reposition a div Phillips, Wendy spoke the following wise words on 6/05/2004 9:17 AM EST: > I have a two column table - in the right hand column is a div. I have a print style sheet and would like this div to position itself at the end of all other content in the print version. > > Is this possible? Ahh now see if you'd gone CSS-P it wouldn't be a problem :) Mozilla supports "display: block" on the s, but alas IE does not. -- tim lucas http://www.toolmantim.com * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help *
[WSG] print style - reposition a div
Not sure how to tackle this ... I have a two column table - in the right hand column is a div. I have a print style sheet and would like this div to position itself at the end of all other content in the print version. Is this possible? Thanks WP Wendy Phillips Job Ready (Learning & Development) Customer Sales & Service * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help *
RE: [WSG] Scrollbars in IE6 (PC)
IE6 has a bug with frames and scrollbars when the page contains an XHTML doctype
declaration. If the content causes vertical scrollbars, IE thinks that the width of
the scrollbar must be included in the overall width of the page and produces
horizontal scrollbars when they are not necessary. The only way around this is to set
scrolling=yes in the frameset, and not auto. You end up with ghost vertical scrollbars
but there is no solution to this that I have found.
If you have an XML prologue inserted, this doesn't happen - Unfortunately, another bug
in Internet Explorer is affected by anything that appears before the DOCTYPE and the
browser is then sent into Quirks Mode. The ?xml prolog causes IE to miss the DOCTYPE
declaration and therefore renders the page in a non-standards compliant way. Luckily,
the prolog is not mandatory and can be removed and you are stuck with the first
solution.
I'm not interested in an anti frame discussion however I also use frames for internal
online modules - they really don't pose as many accessibility problems as you might
think once you institute a few things:
- correct titling and naming of frames
- correct titling of each page
- skip links to main content
- no frames content that goes to the content pages which have navigation to go from
page to page and no need of the frames
- next and back buttons go straight to named anchors to the main content
- print button to print only the frame content and a print stylesheet to format this
for print
- logical tabbing order
- I did have access keys but I weighed up the arguments for and against and removed
them
(Assistive technologies determine the content in each frame and present the user with
a list of the frames, enabling them to select the content they wish to access,
supplementing the use of a skip link.
It is therefore important to use meaningful frame names in the frameset page and
titles as the individual page titles - different technologies use either of these. It
is easy to neglect page titles in framesets, as the page title normally displayed in
the browser is that of the frameset page itself.)
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> Sent: Wednesday, 24 March 2004 7:06 pm
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: [WSG] Scrollbars in IE6 (PC)
>
> Hi everybody...
>
> I'm having a terrible time trying to figure out just why IE6 (Windows
> XP) is throwing scrollbars at me when I view a page in a frame - I'm
> really not sure what the trick is to this (if there is one). I hate to
> ask dumb or redundant questions, but this one is really nagging.
>
> Thanks for any advice on this...v
>
> Once again, this is being view in a frame...here is the gist of the CSS:
>
> body {
> margin: 0px;
> }
> .container {
> margin: 0px;
> padding: 0px;
> width: 100%;
> }
> .subhead1 {
> margin: 0px;
> padding: 6px 0px 0px 12px;
> }
> .subhead2 {
> margin: 0px;
> padding: 3px 12px 1px;
> height: 30px;
> border-bottom: 1px solid #99;
> }
> .content {
> margin: 0px;
> padding: 0px;
> width: 100%;
> }
> .content-pad {
> padding: 0px;
> margin: 12px;
> }
> etc...
>
> The makeup of the file...
>
>
>
> Just some title text
>
>
> A at width='100%'...
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> Lots of things go in here, it varies. Some times a table at
> width='100%'
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RE: [WSG] css from photoshop file?
I've actually nearly always designed new sites or templates from my graphics file - whether that's fireworks or photopaint. To me, there's no difference in the two methods but designing your layout visually in the first instance gives you the best idea as to how the finished product will more or less look and you can easily move things around, change colors etc until you are happy with it. It's when the design is curvy or you need to slice images that things can get fiddly. The trick is to design from the start with the method of ultimate output in mind - I've had to convert other people's graphics to layouts in the past and because they had no idea as to how a page is 'built' it was much harder and some elements had to be sacrificed or changed. WP Wendy Phillips Telstra Job Ready L&D > -Original Message- > From: Neerav [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Friday, 19 March 2004 9:48 am > To: WSG > Subject: [WSG] css from photoshop file? > > I have always written standards compliant css for a site around a > clients recommendations as to colours and position of logos etc. Now > I've been asked: > > "You'd be fine doing the templates from supplied photoshop files?" > > I guess this would mean replicating the look of a PSD file with css > code? Would this kind of client expect standards compliant css or rigid > "WYSIWYG works in IE code", any tips to ensure that the result will be > decent css are appreciated. > > Neerav > * > The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ > See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm > for some hints on posting to the list & getting help > * > * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help *
RE: [WSG] dreamweaver
Sorry - I should have said I use DW MX - we're still on NT here and MX 2004 doesn't run on it. 2004 will have more accessibility and standards support options that plain MX. As Scott says, you can work in code view, design view, split - whatever you like. I'm in and out of all of them all day long. MX has some CSS display problems inside design view, which 2004 is supposed to have overcome somewhat, but as we work with style sheets that are as familiar as the proverbial back of hand, this is no biggy. Integration with Flash and Fireworks is also a bonus. WP Wendy Phillips Job Ready (Learning & Development) Customer Sales & Service ___ Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ph: 61 3 9203 2363 Building 1, Ground Floor, 301 Burwood Hwy Burwood 3125 Our Intranet Site http://www.in.telstra.com.au/ism/retail_learning_cs/ > -Original Message- > From: scott parsons [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, 17 March 2004 3:49 pm > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [WSG] dreamweaver > > I use DW 2004, and rate it most highly. Since I pretty much just use the > code view the html produced is mostly down to me... but even the design > view is pretty good if the user actually knows how to use DW properly. > > The support for standards is high, including built in validators html > tidy and xhtml or regular html. > > If you use homesite you might end up liking DW a lot, as you can turn > off lots of code hinting and just about revert to homesite. But retain > the superior find and replace, site and other DW features... > > Plus the collaborative features are handy. I like DW, I'm sure others > have other preferences > > s > > I definately think it is worth it > > > Peter Ottery wrote: > > > anyone using dreamweaver? > > > > as far as 100% valid transitional and strict xhtml sites go, can > > dreamweaver have its preferences etc manipulated enough to be to > > produce markup and css exactly the way you want? I've always used > > homesite religiously to handcode sites but may need to look to > > dreamweaver to satisfy some more complicated templating needs and > > sharing them across several designers (which dreamweaver looks like it > > can handle) - i just need to ensure dreamweaver can be whipped into > > line to produce squeaky clean standards based markup. (and yeah, i've > > read the macromedia site blurbs - but I was hoping to hear from anyone > > that has a lot of first hand experience with it - particularly on > > large scale sites & maybe sharing templates between workmates etc) > > > > pete > > > > > > > * > The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ > * > * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *
RE: [WSG] dreamweaver
I've used DW for about 5 years but just started doing XHTML - don't seem to have
problems validating to transitional for my purposes. I used to handcode but that's
just not on when looking after thousands of pages and online modules.
- Can set DW to convert pages to XHTML
- Run the clean up XHTML command
- validate in the program itself as strict /transitional etc
- apparently you can fiddle with doctypes yourself if need be (the default inserts the
xml prologue but there is an extension that removes this on save so that's easily
taken care of
As I said, I validate all my pages and my CSS
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> To: Web Standards Group (E-mail)
> Subject: [WSG] dreamweaver
>
> anyone using dreamweaver?
>
> as far as 100% valid transitional and strict xhtml sites go, can dreamweaver have
> its preferences etc manipulated enough to be to produce markup and css exactly the
> way you want? I've always used homesite religiously to handcode sites but may need
> to look to dreamweaver to satisfy some more complicated templating needs and sharing
> them across several designers (which dreamweaver looks like it can handle) - i just
> need to ensure dreamweaver can be whipped into line to produce squeaky clean
> standards based markup. (and yeah, i've read the macromedia site blurbs - but I was
> hoping to hear from anyone that has a lot of first hand experience with it -
> particularly on large scale sites & maybe sharing templates between workmates etc)
>
> pete
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[WSG] A stylesheet which makes IE standards-compliant!
as a matter of interest ... http://developers.slashdot.org/developers/04/03/12/0454228.shtml Wendy Phillips Job Ready (Learning & Development) Customer Sales & Service ___ Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ph: 61 3 9203 2363 Building 1, Ground Floor, 301 Burwood Hwy Burwood 3125 Our Intranet Site http://www.in.telstra.com.au/ism/retail_learning_cs/ * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *
RE: [WSG] IE keyboard shortcut
You could perhaps use Access Keys ... Wendy Phillips Job Ready (Learning & Development) Customer Sales & Service ___ Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ph: 61 3 9203 2363 Building 1, Ground Floor, 301 Burwood Hwy Burwood 3125 Our Intranet Site http://www.in.telstra.com.au/ism/retail_learning_cs/ > -Original Message- > From: Tim Lucas [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, 19 February 2004 11:23 am > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [WSG] IE keyboard shortcut > > > Rex Chung spoke the following wise words on 19/02/2004 10:51 AM EST: > > >does anyone know if there's a keyboard shortcut [in Internet Explorer] for jumping > >to the next headings (h1,h2,h3 etc) on the page? > > > Nope. > http://balasainet.com/iesupersite/support/keyboardshortcuts.htm > > -- tim > > * > The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ > * > * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *
RE: [WSG] Browser / OS combo irregularity
It seems there is an incorrect use of alt tags here - correct tagging would assist use of image mapping See this article http://diveintoaccessibility.org/day_24_providing_text_equivalents_for_image_maps.html WP Wendy Phillips Job Ready (Learning & Development) Customer Sales & Service ___ > -Original Message- > From: Bradley Wright [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, 3 February 2004 1:48 pm > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [WSG] Browser / OS combo irregularity > > > Veine, > > I'm not trying to be harsh or anything, but the reason for not using image > maps is primarily accessibility. > > Have a look at this: > > http://www.delorie.com/web/lynxview.cgi?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mainemaritime.edu%2Fredesign > > That's your site as seen through a Lynx browser - text only. GoogleBot and > screen-readers would get a similar amount of meaning out of it. As you can > see, the image map doesn't work very well at all for programs which only > read text. Of course it depends on your target audience, but I'd think the > problem with Google alone should be enough to convince you. :) > > Regards, > > Brad > > - Original Message - > From: "Veine K Vikberg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 1:17 PM > Subject: Re: [WSG] Browser / OS combo irregularity > > > > Ryan; > > > > Lets hear your reasoning for not using them, and I am willing to change if > > your reasoning is good enough ;o) > > However, this client is these days *very* concerned with download time, > and > > as it stands the page is downloading at approximately 8 seconds on a 56K > > modem under perfect conditions (not that it ever is but...) and that is > > what he wanted +2 seconds (he said under 10) with the graphics broken > > up, I am close to that ten second mark, but if there is something I do > not > > know about image maps, please enlighten me. (I did the one located at > > http://www.mainemaritime.edu 3 years ago when wait was the norm so it was > > no concern) > > > >Regards > >~Veine > > > > At 07:25 PM 2/2/2004 -0500, you wrote: > > > > > > >This really has nothing to do with your email, but I'd recommend staying > > >away from image maps :) i always peek under the hood at the sites that > get > > >sent out on the list. As it's not released yet, you'd still have time to > > >change your deployment method. If you don't agree, that's cool. I'm just > > >biased against them :) > > > > > >--Ryan > > >http://www.theward.net > > > > > >Veine K Vikberg wrote: > > > > > >>Hello; > > >> > > >>http://www.mainemaritime.edu/redesign > > >> > > >>On Mac (OS8.5/IE5.1) looks good, except for around the search box, where > > >>there is some weird things going on. > > >> > > >>If anyone has any help/advice/links to help I would greatly appreciate > > >>them, especially the first problem as the client will look on his page > > >>through NS 7.1/XP Pro > > >> > > >>TIA & Regards > > >> ~Veine > > > > > >Veine K Vikberg > > >http://www.vikberg.net > > >Professional Web Guru > > > > > > * > The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ > * > * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *
RE: [WSG] z-indexing
Flash will always come to the top as it is an activeX object you can use the wmode parameter but that is not supported in all browsers http://www.macromedia.com/support/flash/ts/documents/flash_top_layer.htm WP Wendy Phillips Job Ready (Learning & Development) Customer Sales & Service > -Original Message- > From: Simon Jessey [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, 2 February 2004 12:01 pm > To: WSG > Subject: [WSG] z-indexing > > > Hey, all. > > Does anyone have any good experience with controlling the z-index of > objects? I am trying to implement something where an object (in this case, > some Flash) that is absolutely-positioned with respect to the viewport (with > position: fixed) can have content pass both over it and under it. My > experiments have yielded rendering problems in most common browsers. Here is > an example: > > http://jessey.net/tests/z-object.html > > I have hidden the fixed positioning from Internet Explorer, but it should > still respect the z-index values. > > > Simon Jessey > -- > mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > blog: http://jessey.net/blog/ > work: http://keystonewebsites.com/ > > * > The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ > * * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *
