Re: [WSG] re: Firefox v3 and opacity on opacity
Hello Mike,
I tried the example code, but no problems here. I have Firefox 3.05
here on XP Tablet PC Edition.
Regards,
Rogier.
2008/12/23 Foskett, Mike mike.fosk...@uk.tesco.com:
Hi Johan,
Thanks for the address. I've just reported the bug to Mozilla.
The effect occurs even in safe mode with all add-ons switched off.
Mike
http://websemantics.co.uk/
From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On
Behalf Of Johan Douma
Sent: 22 December 2008 23:07
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: Re: [WSG] re: Firefox v3 and opacity on opacity
Hi Mike,
I've just tested it on the 3.1b3pre nighly from yesterday on Mac OSX 10.4 an
it works fine as well.
There shouldn't be any difference between XP and Vista, but he I might be
wrong. I haven't seen anything like this before, it's all a bit weird
indeed. Have you checked bugzilla to see if there's a reported bug about
this? If not maybe report it and see if other people have the same bug.
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/
And what about firefox without extensions?
Cheers,
Johan Douma
johando...@gmail.com
2008/12/22 Foskett, Mike mike.fosk...@uk.tesco.com
Good idea Jon,
Just tried it and the code still has display issues.
Johan,
I'm surprised it worked correctly for you.
The only difference I can see is you are running XP while my testing was on
Vista.
Would that be enough to cause an issue?
Does anyone using FFv3.05 on XP or Vista have mouse-over display issues with
the code?
If so, or not, what OS are you using?
Mike
http://websemantics.co.uk/
From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On
Behalf Of James Ducker
Sent: 20 December 2008 12:34
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: Re: [WSG] re: Firefox v3 and opacity on opacity
Perhaps try it with Firefox in safe mode, just to be sure it isn't an
add-on?
On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 12:39 AM, Johan Douma johando...@gmail.com wrote:
It's working fine for me on Windows XP, FF3.1b2
No issues at all.
Cheers,
Johan
2008/12/19 Foskett, Mike mike.fosk...@uk.tesco.com
Hi Nick,
The issue shown occurred on two different PCs and one Mac running windows.
It doesn't occur on the Mac version of Firefox 3.
My PC is using version 3.05.
Here's a cropped screen grab of the supplied code, showing the effect after
the mouse hover.
http://websemantics.co.uk/temp/example_firefox_3_opacity_issue.jpg
mike
From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On
Behalf Of Nick Cowie
Sent: 19 December 2008 11:56
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: Re: [WSG] re: Firefox v3 and opacity on opacity
Mike
I did not have any of that problem or any other issues with Firefox 3.04,
3.05 or 3.1b2 on Mac OS X 10.5.6
Nick
2008/12/19 Foskett, Mike mike.fosk...@uk.tesco.com
Hi all,
After finally upgrading Firefox to version 3.05, I encountered a rather
unusual bug.
When opacity is set to more than one level of container, contained links
render badly on hover.
Hovered link text turns white on white, which doesn't return to the natural
state on mouse out.
Scrolling the link off screen restores the link colour.
Here's a demo which only causes issues in Firefox v3.
html xmlns=http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml; xml:lang=en lang=en
head
meta http-equiv=content-type content=text/html; charset=utf-8 /
titleopacity/title
style type=text/css
html * {border:0 solid; padding:0; margin:0; list-style:none}
a,
a:visited {color:#5E6277}
a:active,
a:focus{color:#c60}
a:hover{color:#000}
#wrapper{border:1px solid #ccc; width:200px; padding:20px;}
#panel{border:1px solid #f00; margin:0 auto; background:#eee;
padding:10px}
/style
/head
body
div id=wrapper style=opacity:0.9
div id=panel style=opacity:0.9
ul
lia href=#Gzip content: Speed up your
site/a/li
lia href=#Accessible AJAX glossary/a/li
lia href=#Displaying code in web pages/a/li
/ul
/div
/div
/body
/html
Does anyone out there now of a solution?
Mike Foskett
http://websemantics.co.uk/
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Re: [WSG] YouTube Image Capture Accessibility
Hello Marvin, I tried to find something to help you out with, but the result is very meager. I found a contact form where you can report a bug or request a feature, maybe they want to help: http://help.youtube.com/support/youtube/bin/request.py?contact_type=contact_us2 or maybe you could try the help forum: http://help.youtube.com/support/youtube/bin/request.py?contact_type=contact_us2 If that all doesn't work you can maybe try to download pwntcha or a paid image break tool but that gets a little techical I'm afraid. http://caca.zoy.org/wiki/PWNtcha They could indeed do a much better job here, at least in providing an alternative. Good luck, Rogier. 2008/12/25 Marvin Hunkin startrekc...@gmail.com: Hi. well that old chest nut again. tried to signup for youtube, but ran into the image capture, and no alternative capture. so no sighted help around. and if i go to the youtube contact page, no e-mail, just look in the help resources. well tried to signup a few months ago, and ran into the same problem. and if i try to go to the help pages or resoucesresources, and try to click on any thing, it comes up with the singup or login screen. so how do i get around this and the only contact is the pr...@youtube.com, which i sent a message asking them to redirect to the owners of this site and making alternative capture possible for us blind people. so how did you get around this problem. a lot of sites seem to have no alternative capture for us blind people, who cannot see. now, did try firefox and web visum, but did not work, tried several times, tried clicking on the image, and using alt control 7 and got the web visum tool, but think i am logged in, or cannot remember my password, did click on forgot password, but nothing happend. so, how do i singup up, without getting very frustrated and not bother about signup and missing out on trying to find my favorite start trek videos to download and watch like star trek the next generation or voyager. so got any suggestions? cheers Marvin. E-mail: startrekc...@gmail.com MSN: sttartrekc...@msn.com Skype: startrekcafe We Are The Borg! You Will Be Assimilated! Resistance Is Futile! Star Trek Voyager Episode 68 Scorpian Part One E-mail: startrekc...@gmail.com MSN: sttartrekc...@msn.com Skype: startrekcafe We Are The Borg! You Will Be Assimilated! Resistance Is Futile! Star Trek Voyager Episode 68 Scorpian Part One *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] How to make DHML cover flash
Mike, Just for your information Iceweasel IS firefox, just with another name (build from the firefox source by the debian team). Because of those stupid American patent laws you can't use a name of software without a logo and because the logo is copyrighted, debian doesn't wants it in their O.S. fyi: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iceweasel I understand that you have to prioritize how your site works with O.S.' es and browsers, but if you decide to use a plugin like flash you should go for it completely or don't. It's out of the question that users can't navigate your site, just because of some fancy flash. But that's my 2 cents. Rogier. On 25/10/2007, Michael Kear [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think its wonderful how, every time I post something to this list, people will rush to tell me how we ought to be spending our scarce development dollars. Christian Montoya, why do you assume that we're so dumb we don't know anything about our customers? We have quite a large number of Firefox customers, but if they're using Firefox, the site works fine. I know because I've tested it in Firefox. I develop with Firefox. My client's testing regime includes Firefox. There were several people on this list who tested it in Firefox and didn't report any problems. The issue was raised by Roger who said there was a small problem with Firefox (IceWeasel) for debian whatever that is, not Firefox.You accuse us of making poor assumptions when that's indeed what you did in your patronising way. It might be true in big shops that there are unlimited development dollars sufficient to allocate teams of people to iron out every last little issue, but in small shops like mine (and they don't come smaller than my business!!) there isn't unlimited time available. Here's a lesson in business for some of you. There is a limited supply of time and dollars, and most jobs have a deadline. If you're running a development shop for profit, there often comes a time when you have to accept there will be issues with your output, and as lon gas it doesn't impact unduly on your customers sometimes you have to just let the issues remain in order to run the business. I can't afford to be spending time tracking down every last problem. And my client wont pay me to either. We make some compromise decisions along the way.We will not even be testing our site in the browsers mentioned by Roger: Firefox (IceWeasel) for debian, or Epiphany (whatever the hell they are). I've never heard of those browsers and I surely doubt many of my client's customers have either.The site works how we want it to in the major environments, and in the others it's still usable, if a little quirky. That's where it's gonna stop while we move on to more important issues like rebuilding the shopping cart that is showing signs of stress with the volumes we're getting, and redesigning the database which no longer copes with the range of products we have to accommodate. Those of you who think the minimum standard is perfection, good for you. Well done, I salute you. I wish I had your set of deadlines and funding to be able to do the same. Our standard is slightly lower at 'as good as we can get it within the time and money allowed.' Cheers Mike Kear Windsor, NSW, Australia 0422 985 585 Adobe Certified Advanced ColdFusion Developer AFP Webworks Pty Ltd http://afpwebworks.com Full Scale ColdFusion hosting from A$15/month -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Christian Montoya Sent: Wednesday, 24 October 2007 6:12 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] How to make DHML cover flash -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Kear Sent: Monday, October 22, 2007 6:14 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: RE: [WSG] How to make DHML cover flash Since we are likely to have perhaps 1 or 2 users only using any of those browsers, and by far the vast majority of our users are using WindowsXP with IE6 or IE7 (remember this is not a IT related site - our customers are tshirt retailers and advertising agencies) I've decided the cost/benefit of fixing that isn't worth it. I work with a 6 non-techie business types who are all involved in advertising/licensing related functions and they all use Firefox by choice. Have you ever asked your users what they actually use? Do you have any stats on browsers (Google analytics will tell you this)? If not, you are just making a poor assumption. -- -- Christian Montoya christianmontoya.net *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Title attribute and screen readers
Personally, I often still use the keyboard because I'm fast with it. And I really like good tabindexes. Why do you think they are useless? Regards, Rogier. On 24/10/2007, Tee G. Peng [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So it's concluded that title attribute is as useless as tabindex and accesskey and therefor shouldn't be used at all? Need acknowledge by your accessible mastero :) Need acknowledge from your accessible mastero :-) tee Great addition Tee, not everybody is a native english speaker :) *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] How to make DHML cover flash
Hello, Just so you know, there's no dropdown shown in Firefox (IceWeasel) for debian, neither for Epiphany and Konquerer doesn't seem to work with flash. Hope it's useful. Regards, Rogier Schoenmaker. On 18/10/2007, nate hanna [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 10/17/07, Michael Kear [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The reason for using wmode was to fix the problem that existed before. All I wanted was to make sure the dhtml drop down menu came down on top of the flash movie not underneath it. Is that not the best way ? Mike, unfortunately claiming wmode is the only way to get the drop-downs to come over flash; I just wanted you to be aware that there are accessibility concerns (see the links in my last post) when using wmode. Secondly, it's documented that wmode causes performance/compatibility issues with flash especially when you claim it to be transparent. Thus, unless you need to reveal a background of the table behind flash it is recommended that you use wmode='opaque' versus transparent. It'll give you the same results and you will suffer from less performance issues and it'll work under Linux boxes where as transparent will not (the last time I checked). - Nate P.S. If accessibility is a large concern you may want to pull the flash movie out of the general layout and place it into a pop-up window or something so you do not have to claim wmode at all. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
