Re: [WSG] PNG in IE6

2008-02-21 Thread Tim Palac
Why not just use as the plugin to display your
PNG?  That way, if people are using IE6 with Javascript enabled, you can add
png functionality, advanced CSS support, etc. I know Eric Meyer personally
endorses this method (well at least he did at An Event Apart) and I've used
it before with much success.

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On Thu, Feb 21, 2008 at 4:07 AM, Amrinder [EMAIL PROTECTED]


 I looked for the working of .png image in internet explorer and found two
 I tried using *'filter' *according to both these articles but can't got a
 Following is the HTML code:
 div id=mlogo
 div id=extradiv1/div !-- Empty div to display logo--
 img src=images/logo_header.gif height=54 width=379 alt=A way
 back - logo/
 div id=extradiv2/div

 The css code for #extradiv1 is:

 #extradiv1 {
  background-image: url(../images/logo.gif);
  background-attachment: scroll;
  background-repeat: no-repeat;
  background-position: center top;
  height: 129px;
  width: 120px;
  margin: 0 auto;

 Please help.

 Kind Regards,

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Re: [WSG] Testing emails for Outlook 2007

2007-11-07 Thread Tim Palac

You might also check out Campaign Monitor - they have a new service where,
for 10 bucks, they'll show you where your email fails to pass spam filters
and also gives you screenshots of what it looks like in all the various
email programs including Outlook 2007.  Enjoy!

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On Nov 6, 2007 11:18 AM, Paul Collins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hi all,

 Just wondering if anyone has found a clever way of testing your HTML
 emails for Outlook 2007? I don't have Vista and can't see myself
 buying it just yet! I thought there may be some kind of online
 rendering engine setup by now, but couldn't find anything in a search.


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Re: [WSG] Web Standards In Colleges and Universities

2007-10-23 Thread Tim Palac
The way my school approached it was interesting.  My major was in a
combination of Interactivity, Video, and Animation under the label of Time
Arts.  It was definitely different than what I hear you describing here, so
I think it depends on the university.

For the interactive/web end of things, we had a Director class, Flash class,
and Web development class.  The Director class had nothing to do with the
web, and the Flash class was never about making websites.  In fact, we used
to make small flash applications which could theoretically be used on
websites, and it was easy to see how you could potentially make a website in
Flash.  I think our teacher was against it, though - interestingly enough,
his portfolio site used to be all Flash - I just took a look and he redid it
with XHTML/CSS (granted, frames too, but you can't expect miracles).

The Web Design class was actually a really awesome basis, and more schools
should have a Web course like this.  The teacher was from the Graphic Design
area of the school, and he taught a few classes to our major as well.  He
took us through the conceptual approach to developing for th web - our first
site was based off architecture, the second off redesigning an existing
site, and the third off an abstract concept.  It gave us quite the realm to
work with.  While the layout was done using tables and some CSS for styling,
it gave us a great foundation for moving forward and I was able to easily
learn the remainder of CSS a short while after.

I guess it depends on the major and what people are focusing on, too - for
this class, not a lot of people would eventually become Web Developers (in
fact, I'm one of the only few) so the lack of focus on code wasn't a big
deal (we did code a lot in the Flash course).  For those of us who wanted to
expand there, it gave a great foundation just like all the other courses in
that major.

/End rant.

Tim Palac
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On 10/22/07, Christian Snodgrass [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I am actually having a similar problem. I was able to skip the Web
 Development class, so I didn't have to sit through it, but I am sure it
 is similar to how yours is. We have a Javascript class and the HTML that
 is taught in there is hideous. Also, my teacher in my Multimedia class
 is wanting us to create a Flash-only website, which I've told him is not

 I'm actually planning on talking to them one-on-one to help them get up
 to today's standards. Also, I work for a group who's primary duty is to
 maintain the residential network, but also does things such as
 computer-related websites. I'm planning on putting together one for
 today's website standards as well as for accessibility and invite pretty
 much every computer and technology related teacher to it so I can help
 try and open some eyes.

 I think it is such a shame when the schools turn out sub-par web
 developers, who later become more roadblocks to acceptable standards

 But, like others have already said, don't be confrontational, be
 informative. I am in my 5th semester so I know many of the teachers in
 quite well already, so I can talk to them without them getting
 defensive. You have to be helpful or else they'll just plug their ears
 and refuse to listen.

 Good luck with your school,
 Christian Snodgrass

 James Jeffery wrote:
  Good Morning!
  Here is my problem. Im at college this year, preparing for University
  (Hopefully Birmingham) to
  study Software Engineering. At college we have a class on a Thursday
  called Web Development
  and the guy thats teaching the class in an absolute joke, no
  seriously, he is.
  He is teaching students how to create web pages using Dreamweaver in
  Design view, and then
  telling students if they can do this, they are Web Designers.
  I was angry, i instantly replied and questioned his knowledge on HTML
  and asked the age old question:
  What are tables in HTML used for?, he replied To lay out web pages
  and for tabled data, i replied with
  wrong, he laughed and told me he knows what he is talking about.
  I seriously want to raise a huge issue at the college, but im not sure
  how to do it. This guy is on 22k+
  a year, and cannot even teach people correctly, he may have been a pro
  back in the days when tables
  were acceptable to lay out web pages, but  in todays world he is a fool.
  Its half term now, we have an assignment to complete using
  Dreamweaver, and he said i have to use
  tables, its not a problem, i will do as the assignment requests. I
  will walk the extra mile and create the
  same page without tables, with semantics, with accessibility in mind
  and without the bloated mark-up,
  and then write a essay comparing the both.
  What power do i have (if any) to try and get the college to understand
  they cannot use a cowboy to
  teach tomorrows computer experts. Should i use my essay and examples
  and take it to the head of
  the college? I really don't know how to go

Re: [WSG] Usability Accessibility Over Design?

2007-08-14 Thread Tim Palac
You've got an interesting point, Steve.  Transitioning from non-accessible
websites to accessible websites seems
like it would require some sacrifice in look and feel.  In fact, I was prone
to thinking the same thing, but check out  You see that he's using images in the navigation,
but when you disabled the styles these
turn into text links.  I haven't ever used this technique, but doesn't that
achieve what you're talking about?

Even if this whole text link with CSS images is too complex, it seems like
the web is going away from graphical
representations of text in general.  What you lose in graphics, you gain
back in SEO and accessibility - that's an
easy way to pitch it to a client.  Besides, CSS can do some stunning things
with text.  A good example is - the only images on that page are with a
specific purpose, and not to replace text.

Also, I'd question you in saying that continuous movement, audio that loads
automatically, and whizzy stuff is
enhancing to the user experience.  Honestly, I'm more prone to turn off a
site with these features, especially the
audio that plays automatically - when you reload the site, it reloads the
audio, and that's just annoying :)  Have you
gotten feedback that this is positive, or is it just what the client wants?


On 8/14/07, Steve Green [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I would like to agree with you Joe but I currently have a battle with
 several design agencies who work for a multinational client of ours.
 Historically they have produced websites that are predominantly
 or sliced and diced from PhotoShop. Our client wants to achieve WCAG AA
 the agencies are saying it will affect the visuals, which I can't disagree

 Graphical representations of text are used throughout because virtually
 the text is in fonts that browsers don't support and has visual effects
 cannot be achieved using CSS (sIFR is not an option for this quantity of
 text). The colour contrast is subtle (i.e. low). There is continuous
 movement, audio that plays immediately on page loading and all kinds of
 whizzy stuff.

 The overall effect is fantastic for most users but it simply isn't
 to achieve the level of accessibility the client wants without making
 compromises. I so wish it was otherwise because this is a battle I don't
 want to have.


 -Original Message-
 Behalf Of Joseph Taylor
 Sent: 14 August 2007 15:33
 Subject: Re: [WSG] Usability  Accessibility Over Design?

 There's no reason to have to sacrifice on either end of the scale.

 Every document should start as a plain, accessible HTML document.  If the
 information on the document is well organized and logical, its already

 At this point, progressive enhancements on all ends can be used to
 higher level interaction.  Your first level of enhancements come in the
 of the visual design, color choices, basic styles.

 The second level is where CSS is taken a step further and used to perform
 image replacement, hide things, etc.

 The third level is where javascript manipulates objects in the document,
 adds things in that are not part of the original HTML document, like flash
 movies, etc...

 You can keep adding in this directionmaking a page as rich and
 interactive as you want.

 Usability...thats not guaranteed anymore than a good visual design, but it
 is certainly a result of all things coming together with the same goal in

 Joseph R. B. Taylor

 Sites by Joe, LLC

 John Faulds wrote:
  Web Standards, Accessibility and Usability needs to be put right at
  the top of the list, way before design.
  I won't argue with that but all of those things are generally a harder
  sell to a client than the more superficial aspects of a project like
  the graphic design.

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Re: [WSG] Best practice embedding a Quicktime/Flash video

2007-06-27 Thread Tim Palac

I use conditional code on my site - seems the best way to go if you want to
follow standards.  Personally I just never had the patience to dive into
those A List Apart Flash Satay and other methods.

The general issue is that IE and all other browsers render Flash
differently.  I've tested this in Firefox, Opera, Safari, and IE.  Anyway,
it's something like this:

object classid=clsid:D27CDB6E-AE6D-11cf-96B8-44455354 width=400
   param name=movie value=movie.swf /
   param name=wmode value=transparent /
   param name=quality value=high /
   !--[if !IE] --
   object data=movie.swf width=400 height=300
param name=quality value=high /
param name=wmode value=transparent /
   !-- ![endif]--

On 6/27/07, David Little [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


I'm looking for some advice on best practice methods of embedding a
QT/Flash movie in a page in a standards compliant way, so any ideas
would be very gratefully received!

At the moment my page embeds a video using the standards compliant
method for QT videos as described by Elizabeth Castro in her A List
Apart article Bye Bye Embed:

I then use some unobstrusive javascript to add a show/hide control and
to hide the video on load. This means that non-Javascript-enabled
browsers will simply get the video without the show / hide controls.

This is all fine until you try it in a browser without Quicktime (we
may opt for Flash in the end, but the principles I guess will be the
same). Then, in IE you get the rather unhelpful Security warning /
install software message (well at least that's what you get on the IE6
install running on my virtual PC). Obviously this is not so bad in
Firefox where you get the Install missing plugins message.

Using a detection script would probably by-pass these issues, but that
would then not be in the spirit of progressive enhancement I'm going

I'd be interested to know how others have approached this kind of
issue. As usual I may be missing something blindingly obvious -- this
is one of the areas in which my experience is a little limited!

Many thanks,
David Little

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Re: [WSG] Safari now on Windows

2007-06-12 Thread Tim Palac

Downloaded this even though the others at my office were scared to.  Did
some testing and seems to function very well, no crashing.  Enjoy having the
extra Apple feel on my PC :)

Worth noting that Gmail ran about 5 times faster when loading emails than
Firefox or IE, my guess is that the Ajax and Javascript support for this
browser tops that of most others.  Nice!

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On 6/11/07, Geoff Pack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

This will be interesting...

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