RE: [WSG] Marking up news

[Michael MD]

hAtom maybe?

http://microformats.org/wiki/hAtom





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Re: [WSG] Marking up news

[Nathan de Vries]

On 20/02/2009, at 7:05 AM, Essential eBiz Solutions wrote:
I'm making a news plugin but I'm un-sure what the best/most  
accesible way is to mark it up?


Try http://microformats.org/wiki/hatom#Examples_in_the_wild


Cheers,

Nathan de Vries

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Re: [WSG] Marking up news

[Mike at Green-Beast.com]

Don't avoid using a headline level just because 
it's "already being used within the page".


Good call, Paul.

Respectfully,
Mike Cherim



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RE: [WSG] Marking up news

[Paul Novitski]

At 2/19/2009 03:43 PM, Essential eBiz Solutions wrote:

It's basically a page on my site just to put news snippets such as new
client etc.
I've gone with

News Title (h1, h2 and h3 are already being used within the page
for heading and sub heading)
News Date
News Content



At the risk of reading too much into your wording...

Don't avoid using a headline level just because it's "already being 
used within the page".  Think of headlines as the items in a standard 
outline form.  In general practice a page will have only one h1 
restating its title; after that just increment the headline number as 
you drill into the content structure.


If you've got a headline for the collection of news items on this 
page, e.g. News, then you'd use the next level down for the 
title of each news story within that section -- regardless of whether 
that same level of headline had been used anywhere else on the page.


Rumors & News
Rumors
Dog Explodes in Microwave
Intelligent Life Discovered on Earth
News
Obama Visits Ottawa
Duchy of Grand Fenwick Invades New York
...

And it's always a good idea to dip from the well for refreshment:
http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/struct/global.html#h-7.5.5

Regards,

Paul
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Juniper Webcraft Ltd.
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Re: [WSG] Marking up news

[Mike at Green-Beast.com]

Hi Essential,


News Title (h1, h2 and h3 are already being used within the page
for heading and sub heading)
News Date
News Content


That works. You might be able to get rid of that what-will-be-repetitive 
"news_content" class if you wrap the thing in a div (id="news"), then the 
CSS would be like.


#news { }
#news h4 { }
#news p { }
#news p .news_date { }

Or use something else if you have it available and skip the div. Just a 
thought. Either way what you're using should serve both you and your readers 
well. Good job.


Respectfully,
Mike Cherim



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RE: [WSG] Marking up news

[Essential eBiz Solutions]

It's basically a page on my site just to put news snippets such as new
client etc.
I've gone with

News Title (h1, h2 and h3 are already being used within the page
for heading and sub heading)
News Date
News Content
 
Tried to make the classes are semantic as possible.

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Sent: 19 February 2009 23:12
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Subject: Re: [WSG] Marking up news

Hi Essential,

> Hi, it is going to be a list of news events and will hopefully when I 
> figure it out print the info to RSS that's why I was thinking of the 
> DL so it's just a list of some events rather that full news?

I'm sorry, I guess I don't realy understand what you're after. I mean I
understand you want a list, but you also asked for the best markup. You see,
naturally I guess I shy away from the list idea to begin with.

With the source order and how it's displayed, plus the addendum of a date,
naturally forms an order so to speak so I thought the best approach was to
make the marking up part as simple as possible. In other words I couldn't
think of a reason for a list.

That said, if for some reason it _must_ be listed, I guess this would be
about as clean as it can be (the span assumes you want the date to be styled
differently)...


 
  Heading/Title
   The Date - The excerpt/content.
  Heading/Title
   The Date - The excerpt/content.   

...but again, I don't think this brings anything to the table that would be
considered beneficial or more accessible. Albeit these may not be
particularly detrimental solutions, I just didn't/don't understand why the
list is needed to begin with.

I don't really recommend an ordered list because, as said, the date and
physical order is enough in this case. And I don't really recommend a DL
either because I would assume you'd use the definition title element for the
title, but doing so would make those titles more difficult for screen reader
users as they wouldn't be able to use the DT as navigation aids as they can
and do with headings.

I must disclaim again, though, I don't really understand your final goal or
what exactly you're after so if a list is necessary...

Respectfully,
Mike Cherim 



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Re: [WSG] Marking up news

[Mike at Green-Beast.com]

Hi Essential,


Hi, it is going to be a list of news events and
will hopefully when I figure it out print the info
to RSS that's why I was thinking of the DL so it's
just a list of some events rather that full news?


I'm sorry, I guess I don't realy understand what you're after. I mean I 
understand you want a list, but you also asked for the best markup. You see, 
naturally I guess I shy away from the list idea to begin with.


With the source order and how it's displayed, plus the addendum of a date, 
naturally forms an order so to speak so I thought the best approach was to 
make the marking up part as simple as possible. In other words I couldn't 
think of a reason for a list.


That said, if for some reason it _must_ be listed, I guess this would be 
about as clean as it can be (the span assumes you want the date to be styled 
differently)...




 Heading/Title
  The Date - The excerpt/content.


 Heading/Title
  The Date - The excerpt/content.



...but again, I don't think this brings anything to the table that would be 
considered beneficial or more accessible. Albeit these may not be 
particularly detrimental solutions, I just didn't/don't understand why the 
list is needed to begin with.


I don't really recommend an ordered list because, as said, the date and 
physical order is enough in this case. And I don't really recommend a DL 
either because I would assume you'd use the definition title element for the 
title, but doing so would make those titles more difficult for screen reader 
users as they wouldn't be able to use the DT as navigation aids as they can 
and do with headings.


I must disclaim again, though, I don't really understand your final goal or 
what exactly you're after so if a list is necessary...


Respectfully,
Mike Cherim 




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Re: [WSG] Marking up news

[David Dorward]

Kay in t Veen - Gmail wrote:
> i would not suggest to use  for "our news" cause what benefit would
> a  have on the keywords our news.

Think about page structure first, and what search engines think about it
second.

> further a news module is a sub part of your site and never use h1 for that
> and surely dont use 2 h1's in 1 page.

It isn't clear from the original question if this is about a page of
news (in which case an  would be the right element for the heading
that identifies the page as being about news) or some other element (if
it was a block which just formed part of other pages).


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David Dorward   


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RE: [WSG] Marking up news

[Essential eBiz Solutions]

Hi, it is going to be a list of news events and will hopefully when I figure
it out print the info to RSS that's why I was thinking of the DL so it's
just a list of some events rather that full news?

Hope that makes sense 

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Sent: 19 February 2009 21:47
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: Re: [WSG] Marking up news

> i would not suggest to use  for "our news" cause what benefit

I agree. That was just for demonstration purposes... I would certainly
suggest using whatever heading would be appropriate and semantic. I didn't
have that info so I created a new document and dropped the news in just so I
could show the markup.

Respectfully,
Mike Cherim 



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Re: [WSG] Marking up news

[Mike at Green-Beast.com]

i would not suggest to use  for "our news" cause what benefit


I agree. That was just for demonstration purposes... I would certainly 
suggest using whatever heading would be appropriate and semantic. I didn't 
have that info so I created a new document and dropped the news in just so I 
could show the markup.


Respectfully,
Mike Cherim 




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Re: [WSG] Marking up news

[Christian Snodgrass]

I'd suggest this as well, normally. However, it seems like how this is 
going to be used is to provide a list of news articles, and since it's a 
list it makes sense to use a list element for it's markup. At least 
that's what I inferred from the initial examples.


Mike at Green-Beast.com wrote:

Hi Essential,


I'm making a news plugin but I'm un-sure what
the best/most accesible way is to mark it up?


I'd suggest neither. I'd recommend something more conventional such as:

Our News
 The following are our latest news articles:

News Heading
 News Date
 News content

Not as fancy, but I believe this is a simple, semantic, and accessible 
method.


Respectfully,
Mike Cherim
http://green-beast.com



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Re: [WSG] Marking up news

[Kay in t Veen - Gmail]

i would not suggest to use  for "our news" cause what benefit  
would a  have on the keywords our news.


further a news module is a sub part of your site and never use h1 for  
that

and surely dont use 2 h1's in 1 page.

use h3 of h4

On Feb 19, 2009, at 10:04 PM, Mike at Green-Beast.com wrote:


Hi Essential,


I'm making a news plugin but I'm un-sure what
the best/most accesible way is to mark it up?


I'd suggest neither. I'd recommend something more conventional such  
as:


Our News
The following are our latest news articles:

News Heading
News Date
News content

Not as fancy, but I believe this is a simple, semantic, and  
accessible method.


Respectfully,
Mike Cherim
http://green-beast.com



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Re: [WSG] Marking up news

[Mike at Green-Beast.com]

Hi Essential,


I'm making a news plugin but I'm un-sure what
the best/most accesible way is to mark it up?


I'd suggest neither. I'd recommend something more conventional such as:

Our News
 The following are our latest news articles:

News Heading
 News Date
 News content

Not as fancy, but I believe this is a simple, semantic, and accessible 
method.


Respectfully,
Mike Cherim
http://green-beast.com



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Re: [WSG] Marking up news

[Christian Snodgrass]

I would say something like:


   News Heading
   
 News Dateline
 News Content
   


could be most appropriate. The first example wouldn't really be 
appropriate because it is trying to create visual groups without any 
group being in the markup, unless you did multiple s, which still 
would be inappropriate. The second one is close, but I think both the 
dateline and the content should be within the , because it makes it 
so a single / pair makes up the entire content, giving it a good 
symbolization of grouping. Then you can have multiple news articles in 
the same .


Essential eBiz Solutions wrote:

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Hi Everyone,

I'm making a news plugin but I'm un-sure what the best/most 
accesible way is to mark it up?


 


Should I use


News Heading
News Content
News Date


or


  News Heading
News Date
News Content


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[WSG] Marking up news

[Essential eBiz Solutions]

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 Call us on 0800 327 7935
 


Hi Everyone,

I'm making a news plugin but I'm un-sure what the best/most accesible
way is to mark it up?

 

Should I use


News Heading
News Content
News Date


or 


  News Heading
News Date
News Content


Many thanks
Essential eBiz Solutions
0800 327 7935
  www.essentialebizsolutions.net

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