Re: [WSG] NVU IDE
On Mon, 2005-01-31 at 14:46, John Horner wrote: Sometimes I think I'm the only person left who reads titles... I come across sites every day which have meaningless and/or identical titles, useless as bookmarks or in browser History lists, let alone in search results. I think you have hit the nail on the head, even if people don't read titles while actually browsing a site, it's the search engine results where it really matters. Part of any site review should be checking that each page has a title which is both meaningful and unique. Even better, use a CMS/templating system that enforces this. -- Bruce Morrison designIT http://www.designit.com.au ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] NVU IDE
John Horner wrote: Part of any site review should be checking that each page has a title which is both meaningful and unique. Yup! http://members.ij.net/mrmazda/auth/tabstitlesbookmarks.html -- The message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved, it is the power of God. 1 Corinthians 1:18 NIV Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://members.ij.net/mrmazda/auth/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] NVU IDE
On Sat, 29 Jan 2005 08:45:49 -0600, Charles Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just came across a mention of an IDE for developing websites called NVU. The website for this software is at http://www.nvu.com/index.html and claims on the website to be both open-source and standards-compliant. Anyone have experience with this application? I have no experience with this application. The home page for this site has 100 HTML errors, 11 CSS errors, uses inline styles, and sets the fonts in points. Charles Martin http://www.webcudgel.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] David http://www.dlaakso.com/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] NVU IDE
On Sat, 29 Jan 2005 10:17:14 -0500, David Laakso [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The home page for this site has 100 HTML errors, 11 CSS errors, uses inline styles, and sets the fonts in points. NVU is largely the brianchild of Mozilla Project member Daniel Glazman, who has been working on it as a replacement for the ancient Netscape Composer which forms the HTML authoring and editing part of the Mozilla suite. The site linked in the original post is not his, but rather belongs to Linspire, Inc., a Linux distributor who is involved with the promotion of NVU, and that site was not generated with NVU. This doesn't excuse their shoddy code, but I don't think it should reflect upon the editor. Also, note that font sizing is a question of best practices, not one of standards. -- May the forces of evil become confused on the way to your house. -- George Carlin ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] NVU IDE
On Sat, 29 Jan 2005 13:14:49 -0500, James Bennett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, 29 Jan 2005 10:17:14 -0500, David Laakso [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The home page for this site has 100 HTML errors, 11 CSS errors, uses inline styles, and sets the fonts in points. that site was not generated with NVU. This doesn't excuse their shoddy code, but I don't think it should reflect upon the editor. Something that *does* reflect on the editor: blockquote cite=http://www.nvu.com/index.html; a href=http://www.nvu.com;img src=http://www.nvu.com/made-with-Nvu-t.png; alt=Document made with Nvu border=0/a /blockquote As I recall, the border attribute is depreciated [http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/struct/objects.html#adef-border-IMG]. I'm yet to find a WYSIWYG editor that even vaguely conforms to standards - not because it can't be done but because people who can make good applications can rarely make good websites. They utilise depreciated attributes, tables and simiar systems because it's easier from an application-design point of view. * sigh * Well, that's my rant for today. Regards, mjec -- http://mine.mjec.net/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] NVU IDE
Ok, now that we've all had a fair pop at the markup of the nvu site, a few things worth mentioning: it's Daniel Glazman's project http://glazman.org/weblog/ - effectively a re-engineering of the composer element of the old Netscape (which, incidentally, he also created). It's in early beta (0.8 at the moment), and still has a lot of old cruft in the code, which daniel is slowly and tenaciously eliminating with a view to make it create nice, compliant markup. Sure, currently nvu is not really production ready, but there's a lot of potential... -- Patrick H. Lauke _ re·dux (adj.): brought back; returned. used postpositively [latin : re-, re- + dux, leader; see duke.] www.splintered.co.uk | www.photographia.co.uk http://redux.deviantart.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
