Re: [WSG] REL REV
Microformats.org have a nice little item in their FAQ about rel rev and some very useful 'plain english' expansions of common rel and rev relationships. It cetainly cleared a few things up for me! Ben On 7/13/05, Patrick H. Lauke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Chris Kennon wrote: After pouring over endless minutiae, if yet to grasp when and how to use link rel= link rev= after having seen it numerous times, peering at the code of many respected sites. Right...first of all, I think that out of the two only rel is most commonly used, as rev does seem to cause weird logic conundrums and is not really necessary in most simple situations. The HTML 4 spec states: rel = link-types [CI] This attribute describes the relationship from the current document to the anchor specified by the href attribute. The value of this attribute is a space-separated list of link types. rev = link-types [CI] This attribute is used to describe a reverse link from the anchor specified by the href attribute to the current document. The value of this attribute is a space-separated list of link types. http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/struct/links.html#adef-rel To give an (hopefully clearer) example: say you have documents that make up a sequence, like separate chapters in a book where each document is a chapter, and you want to define the relationship between them with LINK elements to say which is previous and which is next in the set. Document1 has a link rel=next to Document2 - Document2 has a relationship with me in that it's the next document in the set Document2 has (although nobody does this) a link rev=next to Document1 - I have a relationship with Document1 in that *I* am Document1's next document in the set Document2 also has a normal link rel=previous to Document1 - Document1 is my previous document in the set which is reciprocated in Document1 with a link rev=previous to Document2 - I am Document2's previous document in the set You see, the rev is basically used to reciprocate what the rel in the other document said. For simple relationships like this, it's fairly straightforward...but it can start being complicated when one document is the glossary and it needs to rev to any page that rels to it (every page would have a single link rel=glossary, but the glossary page itself would have a link rev=glossary for every single page that references it with a rel...madness) In practice, I have never encountered revs in the wild. Hope this makes some kind of sense... -- Patrick H. Lauke __ re·dux (adj.): brought back; returned. used postpositively [latin : re-, re- + dux, leader; see duke.] www.splintered.co.uk | www.photographia.co.uk http://redux.deviantart.com __ Web Standards Project (WaSP) Accessibility Task Force http://webstandards.org/ __ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** -- http://ben-ward.co.uk ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] REL REV
Hi, Almost grokked, so if I have the following sections: Home, About, Photos, Contact, Portfolio Would this structure be correct and needed: From index page: link rel=next href=./about.html / link rel=next href=./photos.html / link rel=next href=./contact.html / link rel=next href=./portfolio.html / From contact page: link rev=previous rel =home href=./index.html / link rev=previous rel =about href=./about.html / On Jul 12, 2005, at 5:02 PM, Patrick H. Lauke wrote: Chris Kennon wrote: After pouring over endless minutiae, if yet to grasp when and how to use link rel= link rev= after having seen it numerous times, peering at the code of many respected sites. Right...first of all, I think that out of the two only rel is most commonly used, as rev does seem to cause weird logic conundrums and is not really necessary in most simple situations. The HTML 4 spec states: rel = link-types [CI] This attribute describes the relationship from the current document to the anchor specified by the href attribute. The value of this attribute is a space-separated list of link types. rev = link-types [CI] This attribute is used to describe a reverse link from the anchor specified by the href attribute to the current document. The value of this attribute is a space-separated list of link types. http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/struct/links.html#adef-rel To give an (hopefully clearer) example: say you have documents that make up a sequence, like separate chapters in a book where each document is a chapter, and you want to define the relationship between them with LINK elements to say which is previous and which is next in the set. Document1 has a link rel=next to Document2 - Document2 has a relationship with me in that it's the next document in the set Document2 has (although nobody does this) a link rev=next to Document1 - I have a relationship with Document1 in that *I* am Document1's next document in the set Document2 also has a normal link rel=previous to Document1 - Document1 is my previous document in the set which is reciprocated in Document1 with a link rev=previous to Document2 - I am Document2's previous document in the set You see, the rev is basically used to reciprocate what the rel in the other document said. For simple relationships like this, it's fairly straightforward...but it can start being complicated when one document is the glossary and it needs to rev to any page that rels to it (every page would have a single link rel=glossary, but the glossary page itself would have a link rev=glossary for every single page that references it with a rel...madness) In practice, I have never encountered revs in the wild. Hope this makes some kind of sense... -- Patrick H. Lauke __ re·dux (adj.): brought back; returned. used postpositively [latin : re-, re- + dux, leader; see duke.] www.splintered.co.uk | www.photographia.co.uk http://redux.deviantart.com __ Web Standards Project (WaSP) Accessibility Task Force http://webstandards.org/ __ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] REL REV
Chris Kennon wrote: After pouring over endless minutiae, if yet to grasp when and how to use link rel= link rev= after having seen it numerous times, peering at the code of many respected sites. If you want to make real world use of link rel=, then this page may actually tell you how to do it. http://www.literarymoose.info/-/item/depth-of-sequential-navigation/category/site-design ...use a good browser ;-) regards Georg -- http://www.gunlaug.no ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] REL REV
Hi, Thanks, good stuff, the page does cut-off after the first diagram in Safari 2.0 On Jul 13, 2005, at 10:37 AM, Gunlaug Sørtun wrote: Chris Kennon wrote: After pouring over endless minutiae, if yet to grasp when and how to use link rel= link rev= after having seen it numerous times, peering at the code of many respected sites. If you want to make real world use of link rel=, then this page may actually tell you how to do it. http://www.literarymoose.info/-/item/depth-of-sequential- navigation/category/site-design ...use a good browser ;-) regards Georg -- http://www.gunlaug.no ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] REL REV
Gunlaug Sørtun wrote: ...use a good browser ;-) are you referring to opera? ;^) -- Dwain Alford [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.alforddesigngroup.com The artist may use any form which his expression demands; for his inner impulse must find suitable expression. Wassily Kandinsky, Concerning The Spiritual In Art ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] REL REV
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gunlaug Sørtun wrote: ...use a good browser ;-) are you referring to opera? ;^) Well, I use Opera, and that site is obviously focused on Opera... I was however hinting at the fact that that page and the site is not very IE/win-friendly. I don't think Moose care much about weak browsers. I haven't tested that site's cross-browser functionality, but Firefox, and I think most other standard-compliant browsers, should do just fine on that site - so there are options ;-) regards Georg -- http://www.gunlaug.no ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re:Moose was [WSG] REL REV
Gunlaug Sørtun wrote: Well, I use Opera, and that site is obviously focused on Opera... I was however hinting at the fact that that page and the site is not very IE/win-friendly. i know you prefer opera. it seems that this would be a good resource for dealing with opera problems. i bookmarked it for that reason. thanks for your informative nature. I don't think Moose care much about weak browsers. i've been feeling the same way. i will look at a html/css solution to a problem with less thought about ie these days. regards, dwain -- Dwain Alford [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.alforddesigngroup.com The artist may use any form which his expression demands; for his inner impulse must find suitable expression. Wassily Kandinsky, Concerning The Spiritual In Art ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] REL REV
Chris Kennon wrote: Almost grokked Funny, just now reading Heinlein's Stranger in a strange land to brush up on my sci-fi classics...anyway... link rel=next href=./about.html / link rel=next href=./photos.html / link rel=next href=./contact.html / link rel=next href=./portfolio.html / prev (by the way, my example was wrong as it should indeed be prev, not previous as I originally stated) and next should only be used in a linear sequence of pages. You can't have a one to many type relationship like the above. From contact page: link rev=previous rel =home href=./index.html / link rev=previous rel =about href=./about.html / Not quite. As the example is flawed on the first step, let's take another one: a 3 page collection (page1, page2, page3): Page1 link rel=next rev=prev href=page2.html / (my next page is page2, and i am the prev page of page2) Page2 link rel=prev rev=next href=page1.html / (my prev page is page1, and i am the next page of page1) link rel=next rev=prev href=page3.html / (my next page is page3, and i am the prev page of page3) Page3 link rel=prev rev=next href=page2.html / (my prev page is page2, and i am the next page of page2) As I said, in practice it's enough (IMHO) to use just rel. -- Patrick H. Lauke __ re·dux (adj.): brought back; returned. used postpositively [latin : re-, re- + dux, leader; see duke.] www.splintered.co.uk | www.photographia.co.uk http://redux.deviantart.com __ Web Standards Project (WaSP) Accessibility Task Force http://webstandards.org/ __ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] REL REV
Chris Kennon wrote: After pouring over endless minutiae, if yet to grasp when and how to use link rel= link rev= after having seen it numerous times, peering at the code of many respected sites. Right...first of all, I think that out of the two only rel is most commonly used, as rev does seem to cause weird logic conundrums and is not really necessary in most simple situations. The HTML 4 spec states: rel = link-types [CI] This attribute describes the relationship from the current document to the anchor specified by the href attribute. The value of this attribute is a space-separated list of link types. rev = link-types [CI] This attribute is used to describe a reverse link from the anchor specified by the href attribute to the current document. The value of this attribute is a space-separated list of link types. http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/struct/links.html#adef-rel To give an (hopefully clearer) example: say you have documents that make up a sequence, like separate chapters in a book where each document is a chapter, and you want to define the relationship between them with LINK elements to say which is previous and which is next in the set. Document1 has a link rel=next to Document2 - Document2 has a relationship with me in that it's the next document in the set Document2 has (although nobody does this) a link rev=next to Document1 - I have a relationship with Document1 in that *I* am Document1's next document in the set Document2 also has a normal link rel=previous to Document1 - Document1 is my previous document in the set which is reciprocated in Document1 with a link rev=previous to Document2 - I am Document2's previous document in the set You see, the rev is basically used to reciprocate what the rel in the other document said. For simple relationships like this, it's fairly straightforward...but it can start being complicated when one document is the glossary and it needs to rev to any page that rels to it (every page would have a single link rel=glossary, but the glossary page itself would have a link rev=glossary for every single page that references it with a rel...madness) In practice, I have never encountered revs in the wild. Hope this makes some kind of sense... -- Patrick H. Lauke __ re·dux (adj.): brought back; returned. used postpositively [latin : re-, re- + dux, leader; see duke.] www.splintered.co.uk | www.photographia.co.uk http://redux.deviantart.com __ Web Standards Project (WaSP) Accessibility Task Force http://webstandards.org/ __ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
