Re: [WSG] Re: Ten questions for Anne van Kesteren
Tim Lucas wrote: If you don't need to serve valid XML, and you can not systematically serve well formed XML documents, then I recommend sticking with a less strict data format (such as XHTML transitional). XML is a strict data format and, like most, can't reliably be written by hand without some level of QA. Tim, I thought XHTML transitional _is_ XML. In what way is XHTML transitional is a less strict data format? Cheers, Chris * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: [WSG] Re: Ten questions for Anne van Kesteren
I thought XHTML transitional _is_ XML. In what way is XHTML transitional is a less strict data format? It's a transition. It's a half-way house between HTML 4 and XHTML as it is intended (XHTML Strict). Patrick Griffiths (PTG) http://www.htmldog.com/ptg/ http://www.htmldog.com * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: [WSG] Re: Ten questions for Anne van Kesteren
I thought XHTML transitional _is_ XML. In what way is XHTML transitional is a less strict data format? It's a transition. It's a half-way house between HTML 4 and XHTML as it is intended (XHTML Strict). Patrick Griffiths (PTG) http://www.htmldog.com/ptg/ http://www.htmldog.com * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: [WSG] Re: Ten questions for Anne van Kesteren
I thought XHTML transitional _is_ XML. In what way is XHTML transitional is a less strict data format? It's a transition. It's a half-way house between HTML 4 and XHTML as it is intended (XHTML Strict). Patrick Griffiths (PTG) http://www.htmldog.com/ptg/ http://www.htmldog.com * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: [WSG] Re: Ten questions for Anne van Kesteren
On 05/05/2004, at 10:09 PM, Patrick Griffiths wrote: I thought XHTML transitional _is_ XML. In what way is XHTML transitional is a less strict data format? It's a transition. It's a half-way house between HTML 4 and XHTML as it is intended (XHTML Strict). Are you saying that XHTML transitional is a less strict data format than XML too or are you off on some tangent? If the the former then please explain in it more detail, I really am under the impression that XHTML transitional is XML - that being so, in what way can it (XHTML transitional) be a less strict data format (than XML)? http://www.w3.org/TR/2002/REC-xhtml1-20020801/#normative Cheers, Chris. * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: [WSG] Re: Ten questions for Anne van Kesteren
On 06/05/2004, at 12:03 AM, Chris Bentley wrote: On 05/05/2004, at 10:09 PM, Patrick Griffiths wrote: I thought XHTML transitional _is_ XML. In what way is XHTML transitional is a less strict data format? It's a transition. It's a half-way house between HTML 4 and XHTML as it is intended (XHTML Strict). Are you saying that XHTML transitional is a less strict data format than XML too or are you off on some tangent? If the the former then please explain in it more detail, I really am under the impression that XHTML transitional is XML - that being so, in what way can it (XHTML transitional) be a less strict data format (than XML)? I *think* that the transitional aspect is related to the set of available tags, rather than it's XML suitability. A lot of behavioural/presentational tags and tag attributes were removed from strict, but left in for transitional. Whether XHTML is valid XML is beyond my knowledge, but I believe it is. --- Justin French http://indent.com.au * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: [WSG] Re: Ten questions for Anne van Kesteren
I thought XHTML transitional _is_ XML. In what way is XHTML transitional is a less strict data format? It's a transition. It's a half-way house between HTML 4 and XHTML as it is intended (XHTML Strict). Are you saying that XHTML transitional is a less strict data format than XML too or are you off on some tangent? If the the former then please explain in it more detail, I really am under the impression that XHTML transitional is XML - that being so, in what way can it (XHTML transitional) be a less strict data format (than XML)? I *think* that the transitional aspect is related to the set of available tags, rather than it's XML suitability. A lot of behavioural/presentational tags and tag attributes were removed from strict, but left in for transitional. Whether XHTML is valid XML is beyond my knowledge, but I believe it is. Valid XHTML Transitional *is* valid XML, just as baboobaWahoo/babooba can be a valid XML element. It has rules to follow, just like any standard, so in that respect all standards are as strict as each other - you have to stick to the rules. Patrick Griffiths (PTG) http://www.htmldog.com/ptg/ http://www.htmldog.com * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
[WSG] Re: Ten questions for Anne van Kesteren
Hey all. Just recently I had the idea that making the decision to go EITHER XHTML or HTML (serving strictly the proper MIME types with each) isn't necessary, since well formed XHTML is ALSO well formed HTML. With a miminmal amount of PHP effort this is possible, and I have done it on my personal website, and written about it here: http://eastsdomain.com/43 . The site is valid HTML 4.01 strict to IE, and valid XHTML 1.1 to browsers that accept the application/xhtml+xml MIME type. Note the site displays identically in both IE and Firefox, K-Meleon. I haven't tested it in Opera. -Noa russ weakley writes: Anne talks about serving correct mime types, XHTML vs HTML and the pursuit of perfect markup: http://webstandardsgroup.org/features/anne-van-kesteren.cfm Russ * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help * * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: [WSG] Re: Ten questions for Anne van Kesteren
east spoke the following wise words on 4/05/2004 10:27 PM EST: With a miminmal amount of PHP effort this is possible, and I have done it on my personal website, and written about it here: http://eastsdomain.com/43. If you're going to do this you better be damned sure that your markup is kosher. You might want to check out the following link: http://eastsdomain.com/site/gallery/ If you don't need to serve valid XML, and you can not systematically serve well formed XML documents, then I recommend sticking with a less strict data format (such as XHTML transitional). XML is a strict data format and, like most, can't reliably be written by hand without some level of QA. There are many advantages to serving XML but you *have* to do it properly. If you've told the browser you're sending XML and you don't then it's no better than sending it a PDF when it's been told its receiving a ZIP. -- tim lucas www.toolmantim.com * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
[WSG] Re: Ten questions for Anne van Kesteren
I'm not sure why you referred me to this (http://eastsdomain.com/site/gallery/) page. It validates as both XHTML 1.1 and HTML 4.01 and displays properly in both IE6 and Firefox. On resolutions lower than 1024x768 the thumbnails float under the menu, but that's easily fixed. If it validates, that means it's well formed, right? Tim Lucas writes: east spoke the following wise words on 4/05/2004 10:27 PM EST: With a miminmal amount of PHP effort this is possible, and I have done it on my personal website, and written about it here: http://eastsdomain.com/43. If you're going to do this you better be damned sure that your markup is kosher. You might want to check out the following link: http://eastsdomain.com/site/gallery/ If you don't need to serve valid XML, and you can not systematically serve well formed XML documents, then I recommend sticking with a less strict data format (such as XHTML transitional). XML is a strict data format and, like most, can't reliably be written by hand without some level of QA. There are many advantages to serving XML but you *have* to do it properly. If you've told the browser you're sending XML and you don't then it's no better than sending it a PDF when it's been told its receiving a ZIP. -- tim lucas www.toolmantim.com * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help * * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
