RE: [WSG] Semantic markup for a person's name or business name
>2. Aside from it's semantic nature, is there really any "functional" use > > for > formatting data using microformats? I mean, if your format various content > using microformat "standards" - as they currently exist - is this > information then usable/parse-able on different devices? Or is the use of > microformats simply an effort to make specific content blocks (content > details, calendars, etc.) semantically coherent in html documents? Check out the Firefox plugins "Operator" - https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/4106 and "Tails" - https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/2240 It looks like some native support for microformats may be coming soon to Firefox http://developer.mozilla.org/en/docs/Using_microformats and also IE8, though they seem to be creating their own variation - "Webslices" which appears to be a wrapper around hAtom - http://www.microsoft.com/windows/products/winfamily/ie/ie8/webslices.mspx There are also some online services to do conversions (such as X2V - http://suda.co.uk/projects/X2V/ ) Check out the "implementations" pages on the microformats.org wiki for other implementations - eg: http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard-implementations *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Semantic markup for a person's name or business name
I didn't know microformats, and I'm impressed about it. Thanks to all who give many useful links. Gregorio Espadas gespadas [at] gmail [dot] com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Semantic markup for a person's name or business name
Cole Kuryakin wrote: 2. Aside from it's semantic nature, is there really any "functional" use for formatting data using microformats? For some practical examples of doing stuff with hCard: Online service to translate hCard into vCard (ie. put directly into your contacts application: http://suda.co.uk/projects/X2V/ Operator Firefox Add-on to make use of microformatted content from directly within the browser: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/4106 Example code for using hCards to fill in forms: http://lib.omnia-computing.de/hcardmapper Also, Technorati make heavy use of microformats (they were the originators of several of them): http://kitchen.technorati.com/search Rob *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] Semantic markup for a person's name or business name
Hi Cole Microformats use the h, as in hcard, hevent, hreview. However, many of them are based on existing standards, i.e. vcard The hcard microformat uses vcard as a class for backwards compatibility. Microformatted user information can be directly saved to a person's contact list, events can be added to calendars, and much more. Visit microformats.org or microfomatique.com for more information. Microformats are fairly easy to implement and should be a required skill for any contemporary professional web developer. Once you start using them, you'll building every site with microformats and not even think about it. This firefox extension will help you trouble shoot your microformats. http://blog.codeeg.com/tails-firefox-extension-03/ Ted www.last-child.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Cole Kuryakin Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2008 10:19 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: RE: [WSG] Semantic markup for a person's name or business name Thanks to all for their input on this issue. The hCard link within microformats.org was very helpful. Two follow-on question though: 1. What does the "v" and "h" stand for in regards to "vCard" and "hCard", and: 2. Aside from it's semantic nature, is there really any "functional" use for formatting data using microformats? I mean, if your format various content using microformat "standards" - as they currently exist - is this information then usable/parse-able on different devices? Or is the use of microformats simply an effort to make specific content blocks (content details, calendars, etc.) semantically coherent in html documents? Thanks to all again. Cole *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] Semantic markup for a person's name or business name
Thanks to all for their input on this issue. The hCard link within microformats.org was very helpful. Two follow-on question though: 1. What does the "v" and "h" stand for in regards to "vCard" and "hCard", and: 2. Aside from it's semantic nature, is there really any "functional" use for formatting data using microformats? I mean, if your format various content using microformat "standards" - as they currently exist - is this information then usable/parse-able on different devices? Or is the use of microformats simply an effort to make specific content blocks (content details, calendars, etc.) semantically coherent in html documents? Thanks to all again. Cole *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Semantic markup for a person's name or business name
Semantic markup for a person's name or business nameI think the address tag is specifically intended for the author contact for the page itself (and only used once on a page). for hCard markup see this page: http://microformats.org/wiki/hCard If you want tools that use microformats (such as the "Operator" Firefox plugin) to see it you should use hCard property names for the classnames and enclose the whole thing in an element with the class "vcard". fn post-office-box extended-address street-address locality region postal-code country-name tel use "fn" for the person's name (fn is required for a valid hCard) eg: John Smith "street-address" instead of "street" ...etc... If you need to put something outside the "vcard" container that needs to be seen as part of that hCard (eg for something that is repeated), you can use "include-pattern" - http://microformats.org/wiki/include-pattern. (only if you really need to - this does rely on parsers having DOM-like functions) If you just want to mark up an address rather than a contact with a name there is also "adr" - http://microformats.org/wiki/adr *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Semantic markup for a person's name or business name
Semantic markup for a person's name or business nameThe element is intended to provide contact information for the author of the HTML document, not any address. http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/struct/global.html#h-7.5.6 -Thom - Original Message - From: Cole Kuryakin To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2008 5:56 AM Subject: [WSG] Semantic markup for a person's name or business name Hello All - I've been reading a book by Andy Clarke which has a few pages related to micro-formats. He uses the example of marking up an address tag similar to the below using classes (note that br's are mine for formatting): 101 Some Street, Some Sub division Alameda, California, 94501 United States of America But. what if you want to include a person's name (or a business name) ABOVE the address tag? The only thing that comes immediately to mind would be John Smith but that doesn't seem correct. Or, should one use an additional span above the address block like this: John Smith? So the whole thing might look like this: John Smith 101 Some Street, Some Sub division Alameda, California, 94501 United States of America Interested in all opinions as well as if there is any current "standard" which addresses this particular issue. Cole *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Semantic markup for a person's name or business name
Cole Kuryakin wrote: Hello All – I’ve been reading a book by Andy Clarke which has a few pages related to micro-formats. He uses the example of marking up an address tag similar to the below using classes (note that br’s are mine for formatting): *snip* Check hCard http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard and a generator for it: http://microformats.org/code/hcard/creator (though you can use whatever elements you want, the class attribute is the important part. Regards Chris *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
[WSG] Semantic markup for a person's name or business name
Hello All - I've been reading a book by Andy Clarke which has a few pages related to micro-formats. He uses the example of marking up an address tag similar to the below using classes (note that br's are mine for formatting): 101 Some Street, Some Sub division Alameda, California, 94501 United States of America But. what if you want to include a person's name (or a business name) ABOVE the address tag? The only thing that comes immediately to mind would be John Smith but that doesn't seem correct. Or, should one use an additional span above the address block like this: John Smith? So the whole thing might look like this: John Smith 101 Some Street, Some Sub division Alameda, California, 94501 United States of America Interested in all opinions as well as if there is any current "standard" which addresses this particular issue. Cole *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
