RE: [WSG] Validate Inside Your Firewall
G'day No, no - not validation. Accessability. Things that are easy to check at eg. http://www.hisoftware.com/accmonitorsitetest/ Your answer (or one of them) is in your question. HiSoftware actually provide software you can run on your local PC or server. I haven't used it myself, but they do have a downloadable demo of AccVerify / AccRepair for (gasp) FrontPage and MS Office.. http://bobby.watchfire.com/bobby/ .. but these both require the checked item to be web accessible. Looks like Bobby is available for purchase as well, plus Watchfire have WebQA which also mentions accessibility. (No, haven't used that either - just reading it on their website) Regards -- Bert Doorn, Web Developer Better Web Design http://www.betterwebdesign.com.au/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] Validate Inside Your Firewall
There was a mention in Scott Parsons' very useful talk (Thursday's Sydney meeting) of the difficulty of validating pages when they were inside a firewall. I just thought I'd post that it's not impossible, and give you some links to help you install your own validator. I'm not a perl/Linux/Apache guru by any means, quite the opposite -- this advice is offered in the spirit of if I can do it, how hard can it be? Here's the W3Cs page where the validator is offered for download: http://validator.w3.org/source/ and here are specific instructions for installing it on Mac OSX from Apple http://developer.apple.com/internet/opensource/validator.html and some less formal advice from Mediaville http://www.mediaville.net/articles/validator/ Here's the relevant link for the installation of the WDG validator (validates whole sites): http://www.htmlhelp.com/tools/validator/source.html We had quite an easy run installing the WDG one, simply because we happened to have a server on our network already which was running RedHat 7.x, and I persuaded the Systems guy running it to let me install the validator from one of the packages: http://www.htmlhelp.com/tools/validator/packages/ So, if you've already got such a thing as a server with a compatible version of Linux, it could be relatively straightforward. If you can spare a Mac OSX machine, either as a whole or don't mind having it run a web server as well as do other work, ditto. If you haven't got a spare machine, remember that RedHat Linux will run on quite old clunky PCs, and every office has got one of those lying about, surely? All you need now is a spare network connection. I would even venture that this is the kind of project that a work-experience person could do, given the right work-experience person! Hope that encourages you to try for internal standards-based validation, jh Have You Validated Your Code? John Horner(+612 / 02) 9333 2110 Senior Developer, ABC Online http://www.abc.net.au/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Validate Inside Your Firewall
On 15 Nov 2004, at 7:07 am, John Horner wrote: and here are specific instructions for installing it on Mac OSX from Apple http://developer.apple.com/internet/opensource/validator.html and some less formal advice from Mediaville http://www.mediaville.net/articles/validator/ That Mediaville article is a bit outdated, as the W3C has made the process slightly more easy. The article on Apple's website has been updated to reflect this. I did have some problems editing the config file on OS X: http://emps.l-c-n.com/articles/72/html-validator-2 Other than that, it installs as a breeze, and it is extremely useful to have on your local dev server, esp when you work with dynamic pages (includes, etc). Philippe ---/--- Philippe Wittenbergh now live : http://emps.l-c-n.com/ code | design | web projects : http://www.l-c-n.com/ IE5 Mac bugs and oddities : http://www.l-c-n.com/IE5tests/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Validate Inside Your Firewall
Philippe Wittenbergh wrote: Other than that, it installs as a breeze, and it is extremely useful to have on your local dev server, esp when you work with dynamic pages (includes, etc). On windows, for quick and dirty html-only validation, it's also worth looking at the Tidy extension for Firefox https://update.mozilla.org/extensions/moreinfo.php?application=firefoxid=249vid=1070 I know it's been mentioned before, but I thought it was worth another heads-up... Patrick H. Lauke _ re·dux (adj.): brought back; returned. used postpositively [latin : re-, re- + dux, leader; see duke.] www.splintered.co.uk | www.photographia.co.uk http://redux.deviantart.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Validate Inside Your Firewall
On Mon, 15 Nov 2004 09:07:20 +1100, John Horner wrote: I just thought I'd post that it's not impossible, and give you some links to help you install your own validator. Does anyone have any equally useful links (Thanks, John!) on evaluating accessability inside a firewall? Everything I've found assumes the page is web-accessable :( Lea -- Lea de Groot Elysian Systems - I Understand the Internet http://elysiansystems.com/ Search Engine Optimisation, Usability, Information Architecture, Web Design Brisbane, Australia ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] Validate Inside Your Firewall
Another Firefox extension that has local validation tools (among many others) can be found here. http://www.chrispederick.com/work/firefox/webdeveloper/ Does anyone have any equally useful links (Thanks, John!) on evaluating accessability inside a firewall? Everything I've found assumes the page is web-accessable :( Lea -- Lea de Groot Elysian Systems - I Understand the Internet http://elysiansystems.com/ Search Engine Optimisation, Usability, Information Architecture, Web Design Brisbane, Australia ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] Validate Inside Your Firewall
On Mon, 15 Nov 2004 15:23:54 +1100, Paul Farrell wrote: Another Firefox extension that has local validation tools (among many others) can be found here. http://www.chrispederick.com/work/firefox/webdeveloper/ No, no - not validation. Accessability. Things that are easy to check at eg. http://www.hisoftware.com/accmonitorsitetest/ or http://bobby.watchfire.com/bobby/ ... but these both require the checked item to be web accessible. Anyone? I'm thinking I'll have to create my own toolbar :( Lea -- Lea de Groot Elysian Systems - I Understand the Internet http://elysiansystems.com/ Search Engine Optimisation, Usability, Information Architecture, Web Design Brisbane, Australia ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
