Re: [WSG] WYSIWYG editor

[Rev. Bob 'Bob' Crispen]

The voices are telling me that Kay Smoljak said on 5/6/2004 9:16 PM:

I don't see the confusion. The post asked about a WYSIWYG editor the
generates XHTML and CSS, not component that integrates with a Web app.


The same poster clarified in the third post in the thread with:


but to edit documents on the web 
Oh, fooey.  I did see that but I was too dim to figure it out.  Next 
time, slap me upside the head and I might figure out you're saying 
something I should be paying attention to.
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Re: [WSG] WYSIWYG editor

[Chris Blown]

I am correct in saying that xstandard doesn't support Linux and Mac OS?
 
On Fri, 2004-05-07 at 13:34, Vlad Alexander (XStandard) wrote:
> Hi David,
> 
> One way to pick the right editor for your needs is to go to the Web sites of
> WYSIWYG vendors and check the quality of the code they generate for their
> own Web site. If their Web pages aren't validating with W3C to the standard
> you need to meet, then their WYSIWYG editor won't do the job for you. Here
> is the link to the W3C validator:
> 
> http://validator.w3.org/
> 
> Regards,
> -Vlad
> XStandard Development Team
> http://xstandard.com
> 
> 
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> To: "WSG (E-mail)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2004 6:26 AM
> Subject: [WSG] WYSIWYG editor
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> > Anybody know a WYSIWYG editor but that generate XHTML with CSS?
> >
> > Thk
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> > David Gironella Casademont
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Re: [WSG] WYSIWYG editor

[Gavin Cooney]

I use RealObjects eoPro. 

It produces decent valid XHTML code. 

http://www.realobjects.com/edit-on_Pro_3_x_2_x.435.0.html

but its not free! ;-)

Gav

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> Anybody know a WYSIWYG editor but that generate XHTML with CSS?
> 
> Thk
> 
> David Gironella Casademont
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Re: [WSG] WYSIWYG editor

[Vlad Alexander \(XStandard\)]

Hi David,

One way to pick the right editor for your needs is to go to the Web sites of
WYSIWYG vendors and check the quality of the code they generate for their
own Web site. If their Web pages aren't validating with W3C to the standard
you need to meet, then their WYSIWYG editor won't do the job for you. Here
is the link to the W3C validator:

http://validator.w3.org/

Regards,
-Vlad
XStandard Development Team
http://xstandard.com


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To: "WSG (E-mail)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2004 6:26 AM
Subject: [WSG] WYSIWYG editor


> Anybody know a WYSIWYG editor but that generate XHTML with CSS?
>
> Thk
>
> David Gironella Casademont
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Re: [WSG] WYSIWYG editor

[Kay Smoljak]

>I don't see the confusion. The post asked about a WYSIWYG editor the
>generates XHTML and CSS, not component that integrates with a Web app.

The same poster clarified in the third post in the thread with:

> but to edit documents on the web 

I just thought I'd point out the distinction, as one poster mentioned XStandard and 
TopStyle in the same message, as though they were equivalent.

K.
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Re: [WSG] WYSIWYG editor

[mario]

I don't see the confusion. The post asked about a WYSIWYG editor the
generates XHTML and CSS, not component that integrates with a Web app.

MC



>> Anybody know a WYSIWYG editor but that generate XHTML with CSS?
>
> I think there's some confusion here - the original poster was enquiring
> about a browser-based xhtml component that can be added to a web
> application. That's what XStandard, htmlarea (works on mozilla too -
> http://dynarch.com/mishoo/htmlarea.epl) etc are for.
>
> A different beast is a desktop xhtml editor for use by developers, such
> as DWMX, GoLive, TopStyle etc.
>
> K.
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Re: [WSG] WYSIWYG editor

[Kay Smoljak]

> Anybody know a WYSIWYG editor but that generate XHTML with CSS?

I think there's some confusion here - the original poster was enquiring about a 
browser-based xhtml component that can be added to a web application. That's what 
XStandard, htmlarea (works on mozilla too - http://dynarch.com/mishoo/htmlarea.epl) 
etc are for. 

A different beast is a desktop xhtml editor for use by developers, such as DWMX, 
GoLive, TopStyle etc.

K.

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Re: [WSG] WYSIWYG editor

[Rev. Bob 'Bob' Crispen]

The voices are telling me that David Gironella said on 5/6/2004 5:26 AM:
Anybody know a WYSIWYG editor but that generate XHTML with CSS?
Whenever I need to slam some text and pictures into a page, I use 
Amaya .  It used to be real flaky, but 
it's been a lot more solid in the past 6 months or so.  Floats still 
give it fits sometimes.  But the quality of XHTML it produces is, 
imho, very good.  When I take it into TopStyle Pro and run Tidy on 
it, Tidy doesn't have to do very much.  And at least it doesn't 
molest existing XHTML like the old-timey editors do.

Btw, WYSIWYG and XHTML + CSS is kind of an oxymoron, isn't it?  You 
want clean, valid semantic markup that you can style any way you 
want to.  It never turns out exactly that way -- the styles do feed 
back into the document content -- but you can get pretty close, and 
having a good process like one recommended here not long ago:
 will help you 
avoid some iterations on that theme and start off a little smarter 
than you did the last time.
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Re: [WSG] WYSIWYG editor

[Ray Cauchi]

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EwebEditPro (esp. the XML version). Rocks hard.
Ray
At 08:26 PM 6/05/2004, you wrote:
Anybody know a WYSIWYG editor
but that generate XHTML with CSS?
Thk
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Re: [WSG] WYSIWYG editor

[Andrew Krespanis]

I have not yet tried out XStandard (tomorrow morning for sure ;), I can 
strongly recommend Nick Bradbury's TopStyle 3.
Very nice to use, has some great features such class attributes in xhtml 
become links on hover. When clicked, these links will open your css file and 
scroll directly to that class' declaration.
When you spend s many hours hand-coding, it's the little things that 
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Re: [WSG] WYSIWYG editor

[Vlad Alexander \(XStandard\)]

Hi Neerav,

Check out this article we are working on about WYSIWYGs and "dirty" markup:

http://xstandard.com/page.asp?p=58E6C3F7-E5DF-414F-8AA5-4C8BD2BEFE2A

Some things the article talks about will only be available in the next point
release of XStandard due out shortly, such as correct icons for the
blockquote toolbar buttons. Editors build around the MSHTML control (a
derivative of FrontPage) in IE are HTML 4 editors that use clean up routines
to achieve what looks like XHTML. XStandard was build specifically to be a
standards-compliant XHTML (Strict / 1.1) editor from the ground up.

Neerav, if you have some feedback on XStandard, we want to hear from you.
Virtually all the new features in the upcoming point release of the editor
are a result of feedback or feature requests. We also recently started a
forum on http://accessifyforum.com strictly for the purpose of improving the
accessibility of the markup XStandard generates - thanks to all the members
of AccessifyForum for constructive feedback.

Regards,
-Vlad
XStandard Development Team
http://xstandard.com



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From: "Neerav" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2004 8:22 AM
Subject: Re: [WSG] WYSIWYG editor


> While not enabled by default. you can set
> http://www.fredck.com/fckeditor/ to output XHTML and also use css
> styles. I found it easier to use than Vlads Xstandard
>
> --
> Neerav Bhatt
> http://www.bhatt.id.au
> Web Development & IT consultancy
>
> Vlad Alexander (XStandard) wrote:
> > Hi David,
> >
> > Check out http://xstandard.com
> >
> > This is a XHTML (Strict or 1.1) WYSIWYG editor. It generates clean,
> > accessible and standards-compliant markup. Formatting is done through
> > external or embedded CSS.
> >
> > Regards,
> > -Vlad
> > XStandard Development Team
> > http://xstandard.com
> >
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "David Gironella" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: "WSG (E-mail)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2004 6:26 AM
> > Subject: [WSG] WYSIWYG editor
> >
> >
> >
> >>Anybody know a WYSIWYG editor but that generate XHTML with CSS?
> >>
> >>Thk
> >>
> >>David Gironella Casademont
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Re: [WSG] WYSIWYG editor

[simon dodson]

Wow Vlad 

Thats looks like some seriously kewl software ...

Ill test drive it tomorrow ... 


 
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Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2004 9:57 PM
Subject: Re: [WSG] WYSIWYG editor


> Hi David,
> 
> Check out http://xstandard.com
> 
> This is a XHTML (Strict or 1.1) WYSIWYG editor. It generates clean,
> accessible and standards-compliant markup. Formatting is done through
> external or embedded CSS.
> 
> Regards,
> -Vlad
> XStandard Development Team
> http://xstandard.com
> 
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "David Gironella" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "WSG (E-mail)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2004 6:26 AM
> Subject: [WSG] WYSIWYG editor
> 
> 
> > Anybody know a WYSIWYG editor but that generate XHTML with CSS?
> >
> > Thk
> >
> > David Gironella Casademont
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Re: [WSG] WYSIWYG editor

[Neerav]

While not enabled by default. you can set 
http://www.fredck.com/fckeditor/ to output XHTML and also use css 
styles. I found it easier to use than Vlads Xstandard

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http://www.bhatt.id.au
Web Development & IT consultancy
Vlad Alexander (XStandard) wrote:
Hi David,
Check out http://xstandard.com
This is a XHTML (Strict or 1.1) WYSIWYG editor. It generates clean,
accessible and standards-compliant markup. Formatting is done through
external or embedded CSS.
Regards,
-Vlad
XStandard Development Team
http://xstandard.com
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Anybody know a WYSIWYG editor but that generate XHTML with CSS?
Thk
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Re: [WSG] WYSIWYG editor

[Vlad Alexander \(XStandard\)]

Hi David,

Check out http://xstandard.com

This is a XHTML (Strict or 1.1) WYSIWYG editor. It generates clean,
accessible and standards-compliant markup. Formatting is done through
external or embedded CSS.

Regards,
-Vlad
XStandard Development Team
http://xstandard.com


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> Anybody know a WYSIWYG editor but that generate XHTML with CSS?
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> Thk
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RE: [WSG] WYSIWYG editor

[David Gironella]

but to edit documents on the web
Giro

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nombre de simon dodson
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dreamweaver mx ? www.macromedia.com
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> Anybody know a WYSIWYG editor but that generate XHTML with CSS?
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> Thk
> 
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Re: [WSG] WYSIWYG editor

[simon dodson]

dreamweaver mx ? www.macromedia.com
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> Anybody know a WYSIWYG editor but that generate XHTML with CSS?
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> Thk
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[WSG] WYSIWYG editor

[David Gironella]

Anybody know a WYSIWYG editor but that generate XHTML with CSS?

Thk

David Gironella Casademont

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