RE: [WSG] accessibility and brower compatibility for Kiosk mode?
In a word, Yes. Some people will try and drag the 'thumb' of the bar, which as I mentioned last time may not be possible at all. Others will just try and use the up and down arrows, which could be painful for a long list, especially if the calibration of the touchscreen is at all problematic (which it always is.) So, if at all possible, split up long lists and find a way to present them separately. Not sure what you are used to, but the ATM's over hear are typically restricted to four 'soft-keys' down one side of the screen, and possibly four more on the other side. This restricts you to just four (eight) options per screen, plus a numpad, so you might want to check if there is any chance that your design might need to work on one of these. Regards, Mike -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of tee Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2008 11:08 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] accessibility and brower compatibility for Kiosk mode? Thank you Mike and steve, One last question, will it be a problem to scroll this: http://lotusseedsdesign.com/scroll.png it's about the same size (width) as the checkbox, but I do have concern if it will be a problem to scroll up and down with finger. This also bring to my attention that I have never seen an ATM machine that has scrollbar. tee *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] accessibility and brower compatibility for Kiosk mode?
Thank you Mike and steve, One last question, will it be a problem to scroll this: http://lotusseedsdesign.com/scroll.png it's about the same size (width) as the checkbox, but I do have concern if it will be a problem to scroll up and down with finger. This also bring to my attention that I have never seen an ATM machine that has scrollbar. tee On Apr 17, 2008, at 11:04 AM, Steve Green wrote: Unless you have a keyboard, it probably doesn't work. Some touchscreens (try) to let you do dragging and stuff, but I think you are going to have to change your select box into a list of checkboxes, or something like that. Even on screens that do let you drag, anything as complex as multi- select is going to be completely non-intuitive - after all I don't know many 'ordinary' web users that know about multi-select without being told explicitly, they are too used to only being able to select a single item, and it is almost impossible to discover by accident. Mike Multi-select using listboxes or comboboxes is not fully keyboard accessible. It is possible to select a single contiguous range but it is not possible to select non-contiguous options. As Mike said, checkboxes are the way to go. Steve *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] accessibility and brower compatibility for Kiosk mode?
Thank you Mike, Yes I did that already, and it didn't change anything even with width declared directly in checkbox or label attribute. After some testing, I was able to make it shows a bit larger by adding an ID in the input type input id=checkbox_ID type=checkbox /, this forces FF and IE to expand the box bigger, but not very much. I guess this is due to the fact that I had the label floated left with width declared, the checkbox inherits the width of its parent. Logical! http://lotusseedsdesign.com/j/kiosk/checkbox.png Please help me with another question, with multiple list menu, we use 'ctrl' and 'Ctrl + shift' to select multiple options, how does this work with touch screen? tee Have you got labels wrapping your checkboxes? If not, try that, with a bit of padding. Mike *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] accessibility and brower compatibility for Kiosk mode?
Please help me with another question, with multiple list menu, we use 'ctrl' and 'Ctrl + shift' to select multiple options, how does this work with touch screen? tee Unless you have a keyboard, it probably doesn't work. Some touchscreens (try) to let you do dragging and stuff, but I think you are going to have to change your select box into a list of checkboxes, or something like that. Even on screens that do let you drag, anything as complex as multi-select is going to be completely non-intuitive - after all I don't know many 'ordinary' web users that know about multi-select without being told explicitly, they are too used to only being able to select a single item, and it is almost impossible to discover by accident. Mike *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] accessibility and brower compatibility for Kiosk mode?
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 17 April 2008 15:36 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: RE: [WSG] accessibility and brower compatibility for Kiosk mode? Please help me with another question, with multiple list menu, we use 'ctrl' and 'Ctrl + shift' to select multiple options, how does this work with touch screen? tee Unless you have a keyboard, it probably doesn't work. Some touchscreens (try) to let you do dragging and stuff, but I think you are going to have to change your select box into a list of checkboxes, or something like that. Even on screens that do let you drag, anything as complex as multi-select is going to be completely non-intuitive - after all I don't know many 'ordinary' web users that know about multi-select without being told explicitly, they are too used to only being able to select a single item, and it is almost impossible to discover by accident. Mike Multi-select using listboxes or comboboxes is not fully keyboard accessible. It is possible to select a single contiguous range but it is not possible to select non-contiguous options. As Mike said, checkboxes are the way to go. Steve *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
[WSG] accessibility and brower compatibility for Kiosk mode?
I am working on a site, of which a section is strictly for Kiosk mode only. Had no experience with this therefor I treated it as if it's for web browsers with all accessibility care. Submitted the first draft, client sent back correction and feedback, while he didn't specifically said to ignore all other browsers except the IE7, I do get an impression that the IE browser is the only one he concerns about. This is a client with print design (very pixel demand challenged) background and very flash oriented, doesn't care about accessibility; my understanding is that this section of the site will be placed in a location with kiosks and touch screen, so that means browser is very specific, strictly IE7. Does this means no accessibility concern needed? Also, I have just realized that kiosk uses the same browser as web. Do you know if it's IE domination? My google search showed up IE only. Thanks! tee *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] accessibility and brower compatibility for Kiosk mode?
Tee, It sounds like you are having a bit of difficulty with the 'Accessibility' label here: Accessibility is just one branch of Usability, neither of which ever go away completely. I used to do quite a lot of touch-screen kiosk development, but I know that things have moved on a little since then, so you may not have to worry about the parallax problems that I did. Are your kiosks touch-screen, trackball or something else? We can immediately rule out issues with non-visual devices of course, but the method of access dictates what else needs to be considered. In my case, the primary issue was 'target size' - our original system automatically made links into large buttons, but HTML links can be pretty hard to hit unless they are treated carefully. Regards, Mike -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of tee Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2008 10:53 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] accessibility and brower compatibility for Kiosk mode? I am working on a site, of which a section is strictly for Kiosk mode only. Had no experience with this therefor I treated it as if it's for web browsers with all accessibility care. Submitted the first draft, client sent back correction and feedback, while he didn't specifically said to ignore all other browsers except the IE7, I do get an impression that the IE browser is the only one he concerns about. This is a client with print design (very pixel demand challenged) background and very flash oriented, doesn't care about accessibility; my understanding is that this section of the site will be placed in a location with kiosks and touch screen, so that means browser is very specific, strictly IE7. Does this means no accessibility concern needed? Also, I have just realized that kiosk uses the same browser as web. Do you know if it's IE domination? My google search showed up IE only. Thanks! tee *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] accessibility and brower compatibility for Kiosk mode?
2) Is there anything I can use to replace the checkbox for the Kiosk? It needs to be large but from my testing, I can't make it larger by adding paddings, width and height. Not to mention this won't work with Safari and Camino (they have another web version for the same section ) Have you got labels wrapping your checkboxes? If not, try that, with a bit of padding. Mike *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
