Re: [WSG] entities bug in camino
Marc Camino, like Firefox, is a beta release so it's going to have bugs in it. You should lodge these bugs at http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/, rather than here and you'll get noticed by the Camino development team. HTH James Marc Greenstock wrote: Hi all, I hope this isn't too OT but I have discovered a bug in camino and doczilla. * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: [WSG] entities bug in camino
It's already a known bug listed many times W3 also know it http://www.w3.org/People/mimasa/test/xhtml/entities/ It's a problem for us (WSG Members) because current standards suggest we present the content type application/xhtml+xml instead of text/html. It is just something to be aware of. Marc - Original Message - From: James Ellis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2004 10:23 AM Subject: Re: [WSG] entities bug in camino Marc Camino, like Firefox, is a beta release so it's going to have bugs in it. You should lodge these bugs at http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/, rather than here and you'll get noticed by the Camino development team. HTH James Marc Greenstock wrote: Hi all, I hope this isn't too OT but I have discovered a bug in camino and doczilla. * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help * * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: [WSG] entities
Thanks very much for that - now I get it! Peter rsquo; is an alternate (easier to remember) code than the official unicode definition of #8217. All possible characters have a specific number assigned to them in Unicode. The lettered helpers came out after unicode was out to ease the pain of having to remember a set of digits that had nothing to do with the character being assigned. As such, browser support for the lettered versions can faulter. The numbered version is official Unicode, and should be recognized just about anywhere. -- peter gifford universal head design that works visit 7/43 bridge road stanmore nsw 2048 australia call(+612) 9517 1466 fax (+612) 9565 4747 email [EMAIL PROTECTED] sitewww.universalhead.com * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *
Re: [WSG] entities
I added some links a while back about kangxi radicals etc etc to the WSG site http://webstandardsgroup.org/resources/#cat18 Interestingly you can do a quick script to test compatibility in browsers for the various unicode characters.. $i=0; while print #.$i.;; i++; For most of the chrs, IE will print a box Cheers James * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *
Re: [WSG] entities
I believe that for quotes it's handy to use the entities because you define proper opening and closing quotes, instead of using the uni-directional default as defined on the keyboard. It's probably safest to use entities in all your text, as then they have no way of conflicting with the actual XHTML syntax. ... but I'm no web typography expert. -- Cameron W: www.themaninblue.com __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the Signing Bonus Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *
Re: [WSG] entities
On Monday, January 12, 2004, at 02:20 PM, Universal Head wrote: A quick HTML Entities question. For a closed single quote, for example, is it better to use rsquo; or #8217; - and what is the distinction? I can't answer your specific case, but I *can* paraphrase it with an example of my own. I've been using mdash; and ndash; for YEARS in my HTML, until I recently discovered that these don't work on Netscape 4.x (or earlier I guess). Whilst NN4.x isn't exactly a common browser anymore, it still made me think about how other browsers that I no longer test on too often were behaving. Quote from http://www.alistapart.com/articles/emen/ Since Netscape 4.x browsers dont understand many of the named entity references (such as rsquo; for a right single quote), Im not going to mention any of them here (though they have been used by A List Apart, bless its little heart). As such, my text/entity conversion functions (in PHP) now use #8212; and #8211; for em- and en-dashes respectively. I also use the numeric entities for opening and closing single and double quotes, and a whole bunch of other stuff, most of which is mentioned in the above link. The downside? Greatly reduces readability of the HTML source. The upside? Greatly increases the chances that a browser will get it right. Readability isn't a problem for me, because my CMS has decent previewing a conversion tools, but it might be an issue if previewing isn't available. Read the above link, and make your own --informed-- decision. Justin French * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *
Re: [WSG] entities
What's the technical difference between the two options? Are the numeric entities the original form and the typographical ones more recent? The reason this came up is that I've been using the numeric ones, and then I started using skEdit which is an excellent coding tool, but uses the typographical entities. Peter A quick HTML Entities question. For a closed single quote, for example, is it better to use rsquo; or #8217; - and what is the distinction? -- peter gifford universal head design that works visit 7/43 bridge road stanmore nsw 2048 australia call(+612) 9517 1466 fax (+612) 9565 4747 email [EMAIL PROTECTED] sitewww.universalhead.com * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *
Re: [WSG] entities
On Monday, January 12, 2004, at 04:12 PM, Universal Head wrote: What's the technical difference between the two options? Are the numeric entities the original form and the typographical ones more recent? The reason this came up is that I've been using the numeric ones, and then I started using skEdit which is an excellent coding tool, but uses the typographical entities. Then find an editor that suits your needs better. Whilst skEdit is quite nice in many many ways, it has a few quirks (like the named entities) which turned me off it during the demo period. Back to BBEdit for me!! A good place to learn about entities would be http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/sgml/entities.html -- although it may not specifically answer your question. This should be read in addition to the A List Apart link in my other post. Justin French * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *
Re: [WSG] entities
rsquo; is an alternate (easier to remember) code than the official unicode definition of #8217. All possible characters have a specific number assigned to them in Unicode. The lettered helpers came out after unicode was out to ease the pain of having to remember a set of digits that had nothing to do with the character being assigned. As such, browser support for the lettered versions can faulter. The numbered version is official Unicode, and should be recognized just about anywhere. --Ryan http://www.theward.net Universal Head wrote: A quick HTML Entities question. For a closed single quote, for example, is it better to use rsquo; or #8217; - and what is the distinction? Peter * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *
