RE: [WSG] list heading - best practice?

2012-03-07 Thread Steve Green
@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] list heading - best practice? Come on Steve, tell us why not then? Bob - Original Message - From: "Steve Green" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2012 12:31 PM Subject: RE: [WSG] list heading - best practice? -Original Message

Re: [WSG] list heading - best practice?

2012-03-07 Thread coder
Come on Steve, tell us why not then? Bob - Original Message - From: "Steve Green" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2012 12:31 PM Subject: RE: [WSG] list heading - best practice? -Original Message- From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgro

RE: [WSG] list heading - best practice?

2012-03-07 Thread Steve Green
-Original Message- From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On Behalf Of Oliver Boermans Sent: 07 March 2012 11:20 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] list heading - best practice? On 6 March 2012 09:20, Dan Freeman wrote: > How about in HT

Re: [WSG] list heading - best practice?

2012-03-07 Thread Oliver Boermans
On 6 March 2012 09:20, Dan Freeman wrote: > How about in HTML5? > > >     Some Title >     >     Item 1 >     Item 2 >     Item 3 >     > > > OR: > > >     Some

RE: [WSG] list heading - best practice?

2012-03-05 Thread Dan Freeman
: Re: [WSG] list heading - best practice? For this example: some title blah boo ... any ARIA attributes are completely not required... tag, by definition, already titles the following content, simply by being in the same proximity, aka preceding some other content. The

Re: [WSG] list heading - best practice?

2012-03-05 Thread Mathew Robertson
For this example: some title blah boo ... any ARIA attributes are completely not required... tag, by definition, already titles the following content, simply by being in the same proximity, aka preceding some other content. The primary purpose of "labelled-by" appears to be to semantica

Re: [WSG] list heading - best practice?

2012-03-05 Thread Steve Faulkner
hi again, maybe i missed something but whats the issue with using heading in a list? regards stevef On 5 March 2012 01:51, Steve Faulkner wrote: > Hi, agree with Russ here, > > for example does > > > change the semantics? I think not, use of aria-labelledby is another way > of doing the same

Re: [WSG] list heading - best practice?

2012-03-05 Thread Steve Faulkner
Hi, agree with Russ here, for example does change the semantics? I think not, use of aria-labelledby is another way of doing the same thing. note in practice for the majority case neither is announced by user agents such as assitive technology at the moment. Also if it was then you would get a

RE: [WSG] list heading - best practice?

2012-03-04 Thread Sam Dwyer
point of having these new toolsets in the first place. See also: Microdata. Cheers, S -Original Message- From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On Behalf Of Russ Weakley Sent: Monday, 5 March 2012 4:47 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] li

Re: [WSG] list heading - best practice?

2012-03-04 Thread Russ Weakley
> The list title > > ... > > That way the semantic connection between the list and the heading is kept > which I think is the purpose of what you're wanting, yes? > Cheers, > S > I hate to nit-pick, but I'd argue that the aria-labelledby does not really change the semantics of an element. Th

RE: [WSG] list heading - best practice?

2012-03-04 Thread Sam Dwyer
kept which I think is the purpose of what you're wanting, yes? Cheers, S -Original Message- From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On Behalf Of Simon Josephson Sent: Monday, 5 March 2012 2:07 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] list head

Re: [WSG] list heading – best practice?

2012-03-04 Thread Simon Josephson
Is there good reason NOT to use - #UL H1 ... so - ... ... rather than what I read here as .. .. Simon Josephson si...@artatwork.com.au On 05/03/2012, at 11:24 AM, Mathew Robertson wrote: > Interes

Re: [WSG] list heading – best practice?

2012-03-04 Thread Mathew Robertson
Interesting... who said that H? has document scope only? http://dev.w3.org/html5/spec/Overview.html#the-h1-h2-h3-h4-h5-and-h6-elements Show examples of multiple H1's... H? is indeed suitable as a heading to a list. cheers, Mathew Robertson On 3 March 2012 04:38, Hanspeter Kadel wrote: > >

Re: [WSG] list heading - best practice?

2012-03-04 Thread Joshua Street
it. > > Regards, > > Elizabeth Spiegel > Web editing > > 0409 986 158 > GPO Box 729, Hobart TAS 7001 > www.spiegelweb.com.au > > > > -Original Message- > From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On > Behalf Of Dan Freeman

RE: [WSG] list heading - best practice?

2012-03-04 Thread Elizabeth Spiegel
Of Dan Freeman Sent: Saturday, 3 March 2012 6:12 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: RE: [WSG] list heading - best practice? I wouldn't recommend that. It may look OK stylistically, but not semantically. I believe H? before the list makes the most sense. - Dan Freeman -Original M

RE: [WSG] list heading - best practice?

2012-03-02 Thread Dan Freeman
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Re: [WSG] list heading - best practice?

2012-03-02 Thread coder
To: Sent: Friday, March 02, 2012 5:28 PM Subject: Re: [WSG] list heading - best practice? On 2 Mar 2012, at 17:07, Hanspeter Kadel wrote: looks like back in 1984 people could use for the job. No, they couldn't. It was proposed for HTML 3, but that spec was ditched in favour of docum

Re: [WSG] list heading – best practice?

2012-03-02 Thread Hanspeter Kadel
> before the list. thats the way i do it, but it doesn't feel right. in most of my cases the is more secondary content, like menus etc. i want to keep to for structuring the main content. *** List Guidelines: http://webstanda

Re: [WSG] list heading – best practice?

2012-03-02 Thread David Dorward
On 2 Mar 2012, at 17:07, Hanspeter Kadel wrote: > looks like back in 1984 people could use for the job. No, they couldn't. It was proposed for HTML 3, but that spec was ditched in favour of documenting the then current state of the browser wars. > how to do it in 2012? before the list.

[WSG] list heading – best practice?

2012-03-02 Thread Hanspeter Kadel
hey listeners, i'm wondering whats the best way to entitle a list. looks like back in 1984 people could use for the job. how to do it in 2012? thanks! hans *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm