Re: [WSG] semantic way to mark up form help?

2004-07-23 Thread Mordechai Peller
Justin French wrote: Honestly, the most logical way I can see to do this is to have them in three cells of a table row, since at least they'll be associated in a row. fieldset's would also be nice, but they're intended for groupings of form elements, and using them for each text input seems

Re: [WSG] semantic way to mark up form help?

2004-07-23 Thread Mordechai Peller
Lee Roberts wrote: First Labels should not wrap the input. The elements within the Label tag become the label. By wrapping the input with the Label you are stating the input is part of its own Label. That's wrong. Sorry, but that's wrong. Enclosing the input within the label is a prescribed

[WSG] semantic way to mark up form help?

2004-07-22 Thread Justin French
Hi all, I'm trying to decide on a nice semantic way to mark-up a short (usually only a few words) block of help text in the context of a web form. I currently use a label to label the input, and a paragraph or div to mark-up the help text: form... div class='formitem' label

RE: [WSG] semantic way to mark up form help?

2004-07-22 Thread Owen Gregory
-Original Message- From: Justin French [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 22 July 2004 15:25 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [WSG] semantic way to mark up form help? Hi all, I'm trying to decide on a nice semantic way to mark-up a short (usually only a few words) block of help text in the context

RE: [WSG] semantic way to mark up form help?

2004-07-22 Thread Ted Drake
-Original Message- From: Justin French [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2004 7:25 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [WSG] semantic way to mark up form help? Hi all, I'm trying to decide on a nice semantic way to mark-up a short (usually only a few words) block of help text

RE: [WSG] semantic way to mark up form help?

2004-07-22 Thread Patrick Lauke
-Original Message- From: Justin French Sent: 22 July 2004 15:25 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [WSG] semantic way to mark up form help? Hi all, I'm trying to decide on a nice semantic way to mark-up a short (usually only a few words) block of help text in the context of a web form

RE: [WSG] semantic way to mark up form help?

2004-07-22 Thread Lee Roberts
: Thursday, July 22, 2004 10:15 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [WSG] semantic way to mark up form help? Maybe a slight stretch, but how about wrapping these related elements (label, input, etc) up in their own fieldset, and using the legend for that text (thus associating it with the (input

Re: [WSG] semantic way to mark up form help?

2004-07-22 Thread Steven . Faulkner
There are a number of things that need to be considered: 1. title attribute content is not accessible to users who cannot use a mouse (as the tool tip only appears on mouseover not onfocus) 2. the title attribute content is only available to a subset of screen reading software (latest versions of

Re: [WSG] semantic way to mark up form help?

2004-07-22 Thread James Ellis
a class on the label to visually identify the presence of a title tag, for instance a dotted bottom border or a simple underline. Ted -Original Message- From: Justin French [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2004 7:25 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [WSG] semantic way to mark

RE: [WSG] semantic way to mark up form help?

2004-07-22 Thread Ted Drake
4:13 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [WSG] semantic way to mark up form help? There are a number of things that need to be considered: 1. title attribute content is not accessible to users who cannot use a mouse (as the tool tip only appears on mouseover not onfocus) 2. the title attribute

Re: [WSG] semantic way to mark up form help?

2004-07-22 Thread Justin French
Thanks to everyone for their input, especially Steven insight into the world of screen readers. My summation of all this is that the elements need to appear in this order: Label Text Extended help Input or widgets I really like the idea of wrapping the label tag around the whole lot, so that

RE: [WSG] semantic way to mark up form help?

2004-07-22 Thread Lee Roberts
First Labels should not wrap the input. The elements within the Label tag become the label. By wrapping the input with the Label you are stating the input is part of its own Label. That's wrong. Using heading tags for font declarations is poor form and fails to meet the standards. DIV is a