Re: [WSG] small screen rendering

[Justin Carter]

On 1/20/06, heretic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I have just discovered the 'small screen rendering' tool in Firefox (web
> > developer toolbar).  Am I right in thinking this is an attempt to show
> > what a site looks like on a mobile device or similar?  Is it a good
> > guide? etc.
>
> That's the theory, but with the vagaries of handheld/small screen
> devices it's not the last word.
>

I was happy to find this news yesterday, which seems to have gone
unnoticed by all the tech sites I frequent:
"Opera Mobile Web Browser Now Available in Beta for Windows Mobile Pocket PC"
http://www.opera.com/pressreleases/en/2006/01/18/
I haven't tested it much yet but it looks promising, since it uses the
same core that the desktop versions of Opera use.

I also just came across this (strangely I'd never bothered to look until now):
The Minimo (Mini Mozilla) project
http://www.mozilla.org/projects/minimo/

If you have Visual Studio you can probably download the PocketPC
emulator images from Microsoft and actually test these apps running in
a window on your Windows desktop (if you have one).
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Re: [WSG] small screen rendering

[heretic]

> I have just discovered the 'small screen rendering' tool in Firefox (web
> developer toolbar).  Am I right in thinking this is an attempt to show
> what a site looks like on a mobile device or similar?  Is it a good
> guide? etc.

That's the theory, but with the vagaries of handheld/small screen
devices it's not the last word.

You might also like to try Opera's small screen rendering feature as
well [View -> Small screen]. Again, not the last word but considering
Opera's mobile browser is based on the 8.5 codebase it should give a
reasonable idea of what to aim for there. I don't have a suitable
small screen device to test on, though.

Most handhelds we've seen here at work had roll-your-own browsers
included that were invariably terrible :-/

h

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RE: [WSG] small screen rendering

[Nic]

> Thankfully, Explorer isn't the only HH browser ;-)

Ya, but...  If you want your visitors to see the site properly, considering
the majority of HH ship with IE, you can't expect them know how to change
browsers.  They rarely do on their PC to start with, on the HH is even worse
;)

Cheers

Nic

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Re: [WSG] small screen rendering

[Terrence Wood]

On 20 Jan 2006, at 10:37 AM, Nic wrote:


For example, even if you declare a stylesheet for media=handheld, 
Explorer
for the handheld will still use some of the screen stylesheet.  This 
makes

it near impossible designing a proper style for handhelds.


Thankfully, Explorer isn't the only HH browser ;-)

I usually check in with htmldog to see what browser is doing what:
http://htmldog.com/ptg/archives/55.php

kind regards
Terrence Wood.

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RE: [WSG] small screen rendering

[Nic]

 

> Am I right in thinking this is an attempt to show what a site looks like
on a mobile device or similar?  

Ayup :)

> Is it a good guide? etc.

Well, yes and no.  The problem is that so many of the browsers for
handhelds/mobiles aren't rendering content the same way (familiar story).

For example, even if you declare a stylesheet for media=handheld, Explorer
for the handheld will still use some of the screen stylesheet.  This makes
it near impossible designing a proper style for handhelds.

Good luck

Nic

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[WSG] small screen rendering

[designer]

Hi all,

I have just discovered the 'small screen rendering' tool in Firefox (web 
developer toolbar).  Am I right in thinking this is an attempt to show 
what a site looks like on a mobile device or similar?  Is it a good 
guide? etc.


Any info much appreciated - it looks as though it's a great tool, but . . .

Best Regards,

Bob McClelland

Cornwall (UK)
www.gwelanmor-internet.co.uk


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Re: [WSG] small screen rendering tools (plus other useful things)

[Paul Ross]

Thanks for posting that James. Further info: you can do this if you are using
Opera 7. Just go View > Small Screen. You'll get a simulation of how the page
looks on a handheld PDA device.

Regards
PAUL ROSS
SkyRocket Design Co

\\Quoting James Ellis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> quote:
> "Disruptive Innovations is happy to offer you this extension to the 
> Mozilla Application Suite allowing to check if a web site renders well 
> on a cellphone's screen. This addon installs a new menu entry "Small 
> Screen Rendering" in the View menu. Selecting it toggles on/off the 
> Small Screen Rendering mode. This does not work with pages using framesets."




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Re: [WSG] small screen rendering tools (plus other useful things)

[Neerav]

the context menu in Firebird is the mneu that appears when you click in 
an empty area of a webpage

--
Neerav Bhatt
http://www.bhatt.id.au
IE view allows you to launch a page into IE from a Mozilla browser, from 
the context menu.
http://extensionroom.mozdev.org/more-info/ieview


Whats is the context menu in Firebird?

<-- snip-snip -->

Jorgen Farum Jensen
www.webdesign101.dk
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Re: [WSG] small screen rendering tools (plus other useful things)

[Jorgen Farum Jensen]

James:

Nice heads-up. Thanks.

> A quick troll through the extensionroom at mozdev this lazy sunday 
> afternoon showed up some interesting tools that may be of help when 
> developing/designing/tweaking your next masterpiece:
> 
> ---
> SSR (http://disruptive-innovations.com/products/index.html#SSRXPI)
> 
<--- snip-snip -->

> 
> IE view allows you to launch a page into IE from a Mozilla browser, from 
> the context menu.
> http://extensionroom.mozdev.org/more-info/ieview

Whats is the context menu in Firebird?

<-- snip-snip -->


Jorgen Farum Jensen
www.webdesign101.dk

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[WSG] small screen rendering tools (plus other useful things)

[James Ellis]

Hi all

A quick troll through the extensionroom at mozdev this lazy sunday 
afternoon showed up some interesting tools that may be of help when 
developing/designing/tweaking your next masterpiece:

---
SSR (http://disruptive-innovations.com/products/index.html#SSRXPI)
quote:
"Disruptive Innovations is happy to offer you this extension to the 
Mozilla Application Suite allowing to check if a web site renders well 
on a cellphone's screen. This addon installs a new menu entry "Small 
Screen Rendering" in the View menu. Selecting it toggles on/off the 
Small Screen Rendering mode. This does not work with pages using framesets."

This works quite well but I doubt it emulates various user agent quirks. 
The results mirror closely some sites I have viewed with a Palm Tungsten.
The stylesheet can be found in /chrome/ssr.jar of your installation 
directory - it basically resizes to 176 px max-width, flattens tables 
and removes iframes and other uglies. I suppose you could edit this to 
make one for 160px, one for 320px width and others to attempt an 
emulation of various devices (such as Russ' famous fridge). Again, it 
emulates the width, not the various UA quirks.

IE view allows you to launch a page into IE from a Mozilla browser, from 
the context menu.
http://extensionroom.mozdev.org/more-info/ieview

Web Page documenter
http://wpdocumenter.mozdev.org/
Allows you to produce a document containing items found in the current 
page. Only at v0.0.1 but looks pretty useful for testing purposes - you 
can output form values, inline styles, img tags and various attributes 
etc etc.

I'll put these up on the site when I have some time.

Cheers
James






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