Re: [WSG] textarea: why rows and cols?

2005-07-03 Thread Peter Asquith
Patrick H. Lauke wrote: Personally, I find this type of answer quite dangerous, as it leads to a slippery slope. Yes, the default rendering of browsers may be different when CSS is not available, but does that mean we then still have to stuff visual cues in HTML? The same rationale would warran

Re: [WSG] textarea: why rows and cols?

2005-07-03 Thread Patrick H. Lauke
Peter Asquith wrote: The need for the rows and cols attributes can be seen once you imagine the page without any CSS styling. Similarly, the requirement for the size attribute on a text input element and width and height on img the element. Ultimately CSS may not be available on all the devi

Re: [WSG] textarea: why rows and cols?

2005-07-03 Thread Peter Asquith
Patrick H. Lauke wrote: I agree with the thread starter that the visual display size of a textarea should really be defined via CSS. If these were maxrows and maxcols, it would be a case for having it in the HTML, but as it stands this seems to muddy the line a bit too much... The need for

Re: [WSG] textarea: why rows and cols?

2005-07-03 Thread Patrick H. Lauke
Scott Swabey (Lafinboy Productions) wrote: I declare the height/width of textareas in CSS and don't use cols/rows in the markup. I haven't come across any problems in [ limited ] testing so far. Unfortunately a textarea without rows and cols attributes won't pass validation for xhtml 1.0 stri

Re: [WSG] textarea: why rows and cols?

2005-06-27 Thread Jachin Sheehy
Some interesting points covering this issue on this list in May: http://www.mail-archive.com/wsg@webstandardsgroup.org/msg17620.html Visible height and width do matter in text-based browsers that won't recognise CSS, to give the end user some indication as to the expected length of his response. A

RE: [WSG] textarea: why rows and cols?

2005-06-26 Thread Scott Swabey \(Lafinboy Productions\)
> The rows and cols attributes - mandatory for any textarea > element - defines the *VISIBLE* height and width of the > element. So why are they in the mark-up? I've googled long > and hard and haven't found anything to the contrary. Surely > these attributes should be defined in the CSS. > >

[WSG] textarea: why rows and cols?

2005-06-26 Thread robert
The rows and cols attributes - mandatory for any textarea element - defines the *VISIBLE* height and width of the element. So why are they in the mark-up? I've googled long and hard and haven't found anything to the contrary. Surely these attributes should be defined in the CSS. Any thoughts? ***