Re: [WSG] Failed A Job :(

2009-02-04 Thread Lionel Bethancourt
Yikes! I know that feeling all too well! It's like learning to fly on your way down feeling. The worst part is giving up. It is a nightmare... On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 12:13 PM, James Jeffery jamesjeffery@googlemail.com wrote: Indeed. My only problem is I have lost future work from the guy

Re: [WSG] Failed A Job :(

2009-01-30 Thread Jason Pruim
On Jan 30, 2009, at 12:43 AM, William Donovan wrote: Hang on, did I miss something or is this completely OT (off topic). Bible's, Gutenberg, print type faces... Web Standards...? Nahhh It's all about type faces that are easier to read on the web and understanding why some are better

RE: [WSG] Failed A Job :(

2009-01-30 Thread michael.brockington
@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Failed A Job :( On Jan 30, 2009, at 12:43 AM, William Donovan wrote: Hang on, did I miss something or is this completely OT (off topic). Bible's, Gutenberg, print type faces... Web Standards...? Nahhh It's all about type faces

Re: [WSG] Failed A Job :(

2009-01-30 Thread Simon Pascal Klein
Sorry—got carried away. (: On 30/01/2009, at 4:43 PM, William Donovan wrote: Hang on, did I miss something or is this completely OT (off topic). Bible's, Gutenberg, print type faces... Web Standards...? William Donovan mobile: 0403 263 284 --- Simon Pascal Klein Graphic Web Designer

Re: [WSG] Failed A Job :(

2009-01-29 Thread William Donovan
Good point Dennis, plug away. It's all part of the challenge and there needss to be people leading the path for others to follow. Well done for atleast trying for them James. William Donovan mobile: 0403 263 284 2009/1/29 Eyemax Studios i...@eyemaxstudios.net Unfortunate, you as a

Re: [WSG] Failed A Job :(

2009-01-29 Thread Michael MD
The only way out of that was to rewrite the whole lot. I mean the guys who were on this project were creating empty spans with classes to push elements along a page (like spacers). They had an empty h1 with a span inside it for the logo they placed in using CSS ... that was only a part of the

Re: [WSG] Failed A Job :(

2009-01-29 Thread James Jeffery
Guys thanks for the response. I hit the sac last night at nearly 6am and was very pissed off, with myself for failing the job. I'm all good now though because at the end of the day it wasn't really my doing. The guy that passed me the work does front-end development all day, I thought it was

Re: [WSG] Failed A Job :(

2009-01-29 Thread Simon Pascal Klein
On 29/01/2009, at 11:39 PM, James Jeffery wrote: Guys thanks for the response. I hit the sac last night at nearly 6am and was very pissed off, with myself for failing the job. I'm all good now though because at the end of the day it wasn't really my doing. The guy that passed me the work

Re: [WSG] Failed A Job :(

2009-01-29 Thread James Jeffery
Indeed. My only problem is I have lost future work from the guy that feeds me these jobs because I failed it, he isn't even understanding my situation and he's a front-end developer aswell. I mean 10 hours to do a whole lot of bug fixing and a near rewite is stupid. Also there was no SV so when I

RE: [WSG] Failed A Job :(

2009-01-29 Thread kieren
and not much else. From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On Behalf Of James Jeffery Sent: 29 January 2009 14:13 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Failed A Job :( Indeed. My only problem is I have lost future work from the guy that feeds me these jobs

Re: [WSG] Failed A Job :(

2009-01-29 Thread Fred Ballard
...@webstandardsgroup.org] *On Behalf Of *James Jeffery *Sent:* 29 January 2009 14:13 *To:* wsg@webstandardsgroup.org *Subject:* Re: [WSG] Failed A Job :( Indeed. My only problem is I have lost future work from the guy that feeds me these jobs because I failed it, he isn't even understanding my

Re: [WSG] Failed A Job :(

2009-01-29 Thread Viable Design
. :-) From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On Behalf Of James Jeffery Sent: 29 January 2009 14:13 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Failed A Job :( [...] --- Simon Pascal Klein Graphic Web Designer Web: http://klepas.org E-mai: kle

Re: [WSG] Failed A Job :(

2009-01-29 Thread Fred Ballard
@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Failed A Job :( [...] --- Simon Pascal Klein Graphic Web Designer Web: http://klepas.org E-mai: kle...@klepas.org Twitter: @klepas; http://twitter.com/klepas Kaffee und Kuchen

Re: [WSG] Failed A Job :(

2009-01-29 Thread James Jeffery
Of James Jeffery Sent: 29 January 2009 14:13 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Failed A Job :( [...] --- Simon Pascal Klein Graphic Web Designer Web: http://klepas.org E-mai: kle...@klepas.org Twitter: @klepas; http://twitter.com/klepas Kaffee und Kuchen

Re: [WSG] Failed A Job :(

2009-01-29 Thread Lewis, Matthew
On 30/01/2009, at 2:36 AM, Simon Pascal Klein wrote: I’d expect clean, accessible, and semantic code from a front-end developer. Bah—sorry to hear you had such a negative experience. I think we all end up taking a bite from the sour end of the pie at some point in our profession, and, in

Re: [WSG] Failed A Job :(

2009-01-29 Thread Dennis Lapcewich
The ultimate failure is being offered to do a job initially, only to inform the customer their plan as written is unworkable from the get go. They find someone else to build it according to their plan, only to be approached months down the road to fix something. It turns out that others in

Re: [WSG] Failed A Job :(

2009-01-29 Thread Simon Pascal Klein
...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On Behalf Of James Jeffery Sent: 29 January 2009 14:13 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Failed A Job :( [...] --- Simon Pascal Klein Graphic Web Designer Web: http://klepas.org E-mai: kle...@klepas.org Twitter: @klepas

Re: [WSG] Failed A Job :(

2009-01-29 Thread William Donovan
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Failed A Job :( [...] --- Simon Pascal Klein Graphic Web Designer Web: http://klepas.org E-mai: kle...@klepas.org Twitter: @klepas; http://twitter.com/klepas Kaffee und Kuchen

Re: [WSG] Failed A Job :(

2009-01-28 Thread Luke Hoggett
Which site? James Jeffery wrote: Big company, worldwide infact. A great one for the resume but I failed it. I was brought in at the end of the project to fix some bugs. Let me just say that from viewing the source it was majorly flawed! I spent 6 hours on it before handing in the towel right

Re: [WSG] Failed A Job :(

2009-01-28 Thread Eyemax Studios
Unfortunate, you as a developer, and the rest of world to have to view it, and for those original developers as they won't be able to learn from your wisdom. I've had similar cases myself, and refused to put my name to those projects for the same reasons. It's just the way things are