Subject: RE: [WSG] email client css suport
I hear "Hotmail, yahoo, and most web mails tend to strip so you need to use inline styles" all the time, however, it's not entirely true. I don't use inline styles on my e-mails and they work just fine. I create HTML e-mails as full-blown table-based HTML pages with a style block in the header. They have all worked in Hotmail and Yahoo. I don't know how or why, but they do. Things that don't work (or haven't in the past) are linked style sheets and positioning (hence the simple table-based layout). A couple of other tips that I use: 1) Always create a good text version of the email. The vendor we use will autoconvert the HTML to text, but it's pretty bad. I use NoteTab Light - it has a great HTML > text converter. 2) Always include a link to an online HTML version. I put this in the HTML and text versions. This is so that if anyone has problems reading the message, they should be able to get to a clean version. (Like any readers on Mac using Outlook. It accepts the HTML version, but changes it to RTF sans images and active links. Really quiet annoying.) Anyway, I'm not saying that the advice about Hotmail and Yahoo isn't valid, just that you should do some testing and see what kind of coding works and what doesn't. I have seen the truncated headers, but I've also seen Yahoo drop the full HTML, header and all, into the mail frame. (NOTE: I haven't tested in Gmail, but I just got an account so I'll see how that works.) Tim www.tjameswhite.com ~ Tim www.tjameswhite.com Get Firefox! http://www.spreadfirefox.com/?q=affiliates&id=12227&t=1 __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **
RE: [WSG] email client css suport
On Tue, 2005-03-29 at 10:27, Martin Baylis wrote: > That entirely depends on what email clients you need to support. > > Outlook express, Thunderbird , Outlook 2000 and above, Entourage all have > fairly good html / css support (even some positioning) > > Hotmail, yahoo, and most web mails tend to strip so u need to use > inline styles (D'oh) > > Older Eudora, Lotus Notes (especially < ver 4), Older Outlook its fairly > basic at best (eg use as well as css) > > AOL, webTV - test and PRAY. > > Martin > > Ps there is heaps of info out on the web on this. http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=StyleInEmail -- Bruce Morrison designIT http://www.designit.com.au ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **
RE: [WSG] email client css suport
That entirely depends on what email clients you need to support. Outlook express, Thunderbird , Outlook 2000 and above, Entourage all have fairly good html / css support (even some positioning) Hotmail, yahoo, and most web mails tend to strip so u need to use inline styles (D'oh) Older Eudora, Lotus Notes (especially < ver 4), Older Outlook its fairly basic at best (eg use as well as css) AOL, webTV - test and PRAY. Martin Ps there is heaps of info out on the web on this. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kvnmcwebn Sent: Monday, 28 March 2005 11:46 p.m. To: wsg Subject: [WSG] email client css suport Dear freinds and colleagues, How much css -in the head of the html doc-can be used for html email layouts such as newsletters and the like? I assume that to much if any would be risky. -Kevin McMonagle ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **
RE: [WSG] email client css suport
I can't say as I've ever come across any problems with embedding style directives in emails, even with quite extensive style guides. The main consideration seems to be the overall size of the email, and obviously the larger your style declaration is, the larger the email will be. That said, the style declaration may well reduce the overall size of the email by removing superfluous inline styles. Regards Scott Swabey General Manager Lafinboy Productions :: website design :: website development :: graphic design e [EMAIL PROTECTED] t +61 (0)415 193 126 w www.lafinboy.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kvnmcwebn Sent: Monday, 28 March 2005 9:46 PM To: wsg Subject: [WSG] email client css suport Dear freinds and colleagues, How much css -in the head of the html doc-can be used for html email layouts such as newsletters and the like? I assume that to much if any would be risky. -Kevin McMonagle ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **
Re: [WSG] email client css suport
Kvnmcwebn wrote: How much css -in the head of the html doc-can be used for html email layouts such as newsletters and the like? I assume that to much if any would be risky. This article may be worth a read http://www.alistapart.com/articles/cssemail/ -- Patrick H. Lauke _ re·dux (adj.): brought back; returned. used postpositively [latin : re-, re- + dux, leader; see duke.] www.splintered.co.uk | www.photographia.co.uk http://redux.deviantart.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **
