RE: [WSG] legal requirements for accessability (bringing clients to the table)

2004-05-27 Thread Giles Clark
as well be rocket science for these people. anyway thats my twopennarth. Giles -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Lachlan Hardy Sent: 27 May 2004 01:25 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [WSG] legal requirements for accessability (bringing

RE: [WSG] legal requirements for accessability

2004-05-26 Thread Lea de Groot
On Wed, 26 May 2004 14:52:27 +1000, Taco Fleur wrote: Sounds fair, so what would I do in a case where I identified the issues but they are ignored? I don't get it - who's ignoring them? You design the page to be accessible and if the client asks for changes that would make it inaccessible

RE: [WSG] legal requirements for accessability

2004-05-26 Thread Taco Fleur
On Wed, 26 May 2004 14:52:27 +1000, Taco Fleur wrote: Sounds fair, so what would I do in a case where I identified the issues but they are ignored? I don't get it - who's ignoring them? You design the page to be accessible and if the client asks for changes that would make it

RE: [WSG] legal requirements for accessability

2004-05-26 Thread Lea de Groot
On Wed, 26 May 2004 17:09:08 +1000, Taco Fleur wrote: I am not specifically referring to my work, it can also be advice given about work others performed. Also, it could be things like I recommend not to use 8px for font width, I recommend not to use those color schemes, due to the low

Re: [WSG] legal requirements for accessability

2004-05-26 Thread Lachlan Hardy
What about all the redesigns that I don't get because I insist on at least attempting to increase accessibility? What about all the bidding wars I lose because I'm going to take that little bit longer? My clients expect total revision of a page according to some obscence specs to take 20 minutes

RE: [WSG] legal requirements for accessability

2004-05-26 Thread Taco Fleur
Hon, if your advice is 'make it accessible' and they then don't make it accessible, it wont be *you* at risk, surely :) Particularly when you keep your correspondance to show that you *did* tell them to make it accessible, as above :) Yeah but are you sure about that? Lot's of

RE: [WSG] legal requirements for accessability

2004-05-26 Thread Kay Smoljak
Lachlan, So, please, folks, while we're here : How do you get your clients to care about accessibility? None of our clients, large or small, care or even think about accessibility, for the most part. That's partly because we don't make them sites with fixed microfonts or JavaScript or Flash

Re: [WSG] legal requirements for accessability

2004-05-26 Thread Marc Greenstock
. The developers who don't care are going to suffer. Just my two cents ;) - Original Message - From: Lachlan Hardy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2004 5:57 PM Subject: Re: [WSG] legal requirements for accessability What about all the redesigns that I don't get

RE: [WSG] legal requirements for accessability

2004-05-26 Thread Michael Kear
, Australia AFP Webworks http://afpwebworks.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lachlan Hardy Sent: Wednesday, 26 May 2004 5:57 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [WSG] legal requirements for accessability [snip] So, please, folks, while we're

RE: [WSG] legal requirements for accessability

2004-05-26 Thread theGrafixGuy
and will be honored and respected. -Original Message- From: Michael Kear [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2004 2:38 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [WSG] legal requirements for accessability There's a saying in the sales business (/me thinking back all those years

Re: [WSG] legal requirements for accessability

2004-05-26 Thread Jeremy Keith
Lachlan Hardy wrote: I understand the concept of just doing it. And that's what I do. Until the client asks about such and such and I let slip either of those cursed words : 'standards' or 'accessibility'. Whoa. Reign in there, fella! Who told you to go around doing things like this? How

RE: [WSG] legal requirements for accessability

2004-05-26 Thread Giles Clark
Afternoon all, One of the best quick overviews of the state of accessibility I have seen is: http://www.webcredible.co.uk/user-friendly-resources/web-accessibility/uk-we bsite-legal-requirements.shtml It covers the UK's DDA (Disability Discrimination Act) and has some handy links to background

Re: [WSG] legal requirements for accessability (bringing clients to the table)

2004-05-26 Thread Lachlan Hardy
Thanks folks for the great responses. I will certainly incorporate some of the things you've mentioned into my business behaviours from now on However, it seems fairly apparent that none of you have encountered the problems I'm talking about (except Marc, I think). Perhaps I wasn't clear enough.

RE: [WSG] legal requirements for accessability (bringing clients to the table)

2004-05-26 Thread Kay Smoljak
The kind of clients I get are clients who think this is a great site : www.canadianlakes.com.au And it looks fine, for the kind of site it is. If I had worked on it, it would look almost the same, except it would be valid html and css and it wouldn't use frames. Just because you're building