Re: [WSG] why liquid layout is important.
I'm pretty sure this is not the forum for this topic though. -Nigel Often when we discuss accessibility, we ignore needs of people with low or no bandwidth. So I think this topic is a great reminder that accessibility is much broader than solely meeting the needs of the disabled, although that's clearly a baseline to be met too. I've been working with the World Health Organization and other UN agencies for years. They (at least some folks there) see the need for accessible web information in health and development all across the world. It's not for us to decide who would have good uses for inexpensive computers. I do wonder if adults would let children keep such a valuable tool to themselves. I'll be watching to see what happens. I also figure that this is a good first step in connecting people who are so far unconnected to the Internet. I figure their strategy was to raise funds and interest by limiting the project to children. But it will certainly spread from there, if it actually comes to fruition. I've worked with a project called Health InterNetwork, which birthed HIN Access to Research Initiative at WHO. HIN succeeded in getting the really big medical publishers to allow access to lots of medical journals to research institutes and health organizations throughout the developing world through a WHO sub-site. ( http://www.who.int/ hinari/en/ ) I also work with Knowledge Management at WHO ( http://www.who.int/kms/ en/ ) I've just finished a report that was presented at WSIS, with lots of statistics on ICT and health indicators for the WHO regions, for those who are interested in the broad topic. The pdf is available at the above address. In the next year, the research on a country level will be added to the WHO site and will be published in book form. Best regards, Marilyn Langfeld Langfeldesigns http://www.langfeldesigns.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **
Re: [WSG] why liquid layout is important.
Rik Lomas said: > It's definitely a good idea, but surely, a poor African family would > rather sell the laptop for money than keep the laptop if they had the > choice... I'm pretty sure that Africa is not the only distribution point for these things. Sure food, and health are priorities, but education and knowledge are handy too... teach a man to fish and all that. The ultimate goal is to make computers as pervasive as pencil and paper. kind regards Terrence Wood. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **
Re: [WSG] why liquid layout is important.
These $100 laptops, at the moment anyway, are only pre-prototype. There isn't even one fully functional version of it yet, and it will be a while until there is. Kofi Annan broke the handle of it when it was unveiled the other day, because he thought it was the real thing, but unfortunately it isn't, it's just a basic model of what it might be like. It's definitely a good idea, but surely, a poor African family would rather sell the laptop for money than keep the laptop if they had the choice... On 21/11/05, Duckworth, Nigel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I don't think anyone here would disagree that the equitable> delivery of and access to information and education is every> persons right.I disagree. I'm pretty sure this is not the forum for this topic though. -Nigel-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED][mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] On Behalf Of Herrod, LisaSent: Sunday, November 20, 2005 7:48 PMTo: 'wsg@webstandardsgroup.org'Subject: RE: [WSG] why liquid layout is important. This is a great article Terrance, and while interesting from a design /technology perspective, I think the human side of this story is moreimportant.I'm sure everyone who saw Doug Bowmans presentation at WE05 'Zooming out of the trenches' http://we05.com/podcast/ was incredibly moved by hispresentation - I heard stories of tears. After all, building tostandards is really about equity isn't it? I don't think anyone here would disagree that the equitable delivery of and access to informationand education is every persons right.It would be great if we (WSG listers) could come together to work on aproject like this - we all have such great contacts, it would be a very powerful thing to do. I've been wanting to do something like this for along time, if you are interested too, please contact me.lisa-Original Message-From: Terrence Wood [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Monday, 21 November 2005 9:28 AMTo: wsg@webstandardsgroup.orgSubject: [WSG] why liquid layout is important. Sorry if this has been commented on in this forum:http://chronicle.com/free/2005/11/2005111602t.htm10 Million 7.5in small screens, pretty sure that will change the face of the browser market.--Terrence Wood**The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help** **The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help**
RE: [WSG] why liquid layout is important.
> I don't think anyone here would disagree that the equitable > delivery of and access to information and education is every > persons right. I disagree. I'm pretty sure this is not the forum for this topic though. -Nigel -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Herrod, Lisa Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2005 7:48 PM To: 'wsg@webstandardsgroup.org' Subject: RE: [WSG] why liquid layout is important. This is a great article Terrance, and while interesting from a design / technology perspective, I think the human side of this story is more important. I'm sure everyone who saw Doug Bowmans presentation at WE05 'Zooming out of the trenches' http://we05.com/podcast/ was incredibly moved by his presentation - I heard stories of tears. After all, building to standards is really about equity isn't it? I don't think anyone here would disagree that the equitable delivery of and access to information and education is every persons right. It would be great if we (WSG listers) could come together to work on a project like this - we all have such great contacts, it would be a very powerful thing to do. I've been wanting to do something like this for a long time, if you are interested too, please contact me. lisa -Original Message- From: Terrence Wood [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, 21 November 2005 9:28 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] why liquid layout is important. Sorry if this has been commented on in this forum: http://chronicle.com/free/2005/11/2005111602t.htm 10 Million 7.5in small screens, pretty sure that will change the face of the browser market. -- Terrence Wood ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **
Re: [WSG] why liquid layout is important.
> > It would be great if we (WSG listers) could come together to work on a > project like this - we all have such great contacts, it would be a very > powerful thing to do. I've been wanting to do something like this for a long > time, if you are interested too, please contact me. > > lisa > Wait, what exactly is the project you are talking about? Tell me more. -- -- C Montoya christianmontoya.com ... rdpdesign.com ... cssliquid.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **
RE: [WSG] why liquid layout is important.
This is a great article Terrance, and while interesting from a design / technology perspective, I think the human side of this story is more important. I'm sure everyone who saw Doug Bowmans presentation at WE05 'Zooming out of the trenches' http://we05.com/podcast/ was incredibly moved by his presentation - I heard stories of tears. After all, building to standards is really about equity isn't it? I don't think anyone here would disagree that the equitable delivery of and access to information and education is every persons right. It would be great if we (WSG listers) could come together to work on a project like this - we all have such great contacts, it would be a very powerful thing to do. I've been wanting to do something like this for a long time, if you are interested too, please contact me. lisa -Original Message- From: Terrence Wood [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, 21 November 2005 9:28 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] why liquid layout is important. Sorry if this has been commented on in this forum: http://chronicle.com/free/2005/11/2005111602t.htm 10 Million 7.5in small screens, pretty sure that will change the face of the browser market. -- Terrence Wood ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **
Re: [WSG] why liquid layout is important.
> Sorry if this has been commented on in this forum: > > http://chronicle.com/free/2005/11/2005111602t.htm > > 10 Million 7.5in small screens, pretty sure that will change the face of > the browser market. > > Thanks for the link. I see 12 in laptops at school everyday, students who don't want to carry around a big 15 or 17 in laptop, and especially girls with stunted growth who prefer laptops tailored to their size (this is not a joke, they have told me this). Most of them use 800x600, and for them these fancy new 1024 fixed layouts are not useful. I need to find sales information for these tiny laptops, almost every manufacturer has them. That would be an even better argument. -- -- C Montoya christianmontoya.com ... rdpdesign.com ... cssliquid.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **
