Re: [WSG] setting up a PX with old browsers

2004-01-22 Thread Justin French
I'd recommend everything below, except I'd load it all onto an Apple eMac (AU$1399 I think) running OSX with Virtual PC and OS9 loaded on, enabling you to test on all Mac browsers (over OS 9 X) and pretty much all Windows browsers. I *think* you can go one step beyond that and run

Re: [WSG] CD Navigation

2004-01-22 Thread Hugh Todd
Gavin, I realise that users will have to download acrobat. The pages cannot be in HTML because they are student hand-writing samples. They also need to be fully-printable. Yes, I thought graphics may be an issue here. But just to clarify, PDF files do not display in Mac browsers these days,

Re: [WSG] setting up a PX with old browsers

2004-01-22 Thread russ weakley
Hi Nick, I have Mac and Windows machines in front of me at all times for testing. Browsers include: Mac: saf1, camino.7, ie5, moz1.4, n7, nn4, op6 (7 total) Win: ie5, ie5.5, ie6, n7, nn4, op7, moz1.4 (7 total) I also use BrowserCam as a backup throughout most testing. I think both options are

[WSG] Absolute positioned DIVs IE bug?

2004-01-22 Thread Hugh Todd
OK, Here's an almost totally em-based design, with a few graphic interlopers. http://members.ozemail.com.au/~hughtodd/test/ http://members.ozemail.com.au/~hughtodd/test/teststyle05.css http://members.ozemail.com.au/~hughtodd/test/test.js After days of bashing my head against various brick

[WSG] Float tips

2004-01-22 Thread Martin Chapman
Hi All My first post! :o) Conerning floats... generally, any tips about which browsers like and dislike them? I've got the task of (re)developing a client's site from very heavy table use, into a validating site. Hence, I think it'll take longer to validate and amend the tables than it would

Re: [WSG] Float tips

2004-01-22 Thread russ weakley
Hi Martin! Generally, all modern browsers apart from the IE's will render floats ok. The best article to read to find out about IE is this: http://www.positioniseverything.net/articles/float-bugs-1.html I found this bug out the hard way a few months ago:

Re: [WSG] Since you're a Taco fan... [Virus checkedAU]

2004-01-22 Thread Justin French
On Friday, January 23, 2004, at 11:53 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This email is to be read subject to the disclaimer below. His photo gallery has a nice cross-site scripting vulnerability (I emailed him privately about it). But here's the test URL I made, just for a laugh... And do you think

Re: [WSG] URL Encoded

2004-01-22 Thread russ weakley
This thread is now closed! Take it offlist if you wish to continue! Russ * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *

Re: [WSG] ems for font sizes? (was Absolute positioned DIVs IE bug?)

2004-01-22 Thread Hugh Todd
Peter, you asked, Do you feel the the pro's of using em's (for font sizes) outweigh the cons? I'm sure there'll be some much more knowledgeable people than I on this subject, but I'll just make a couple of remarks. 1) Only IE on the PC (and I only learnt this recently, from John Allsopp)

[WSG] html + css guru contracter

2004-01-22 Thread Ben Webster
Hey there people, Do you know any contractors that are in Sydney with great html // css skills? If they have an IA and design ability - that would be (well amazing) great as well. The company I work for - Hothouse Interactive - are looking to outsource all the html // css. The programmers

[WSG] [OT] Apology [Virus checkedAU]

2004-01-22 Thread Viktor . Radnai
This email is to be read subject to the disclaimer below. Hi all, Sorry about yet another email on this subject but I owe Taco an apology for making fun of him on a public list (although it wasn't deliberate). I'm really sorry for this. My previous email wasn't meant for the list. I was

Re: [WSG] ems for font sizes? (was Absolute positioned DIVs IE bug?)

2004-01-22 Thread russ weakley
The reality is you can use either perecents or ems to get the same affect, but percents seem to be the preferred option (at least below 1em): A word of caution concerning IE. Be careful using ems. The most recent versions of IE for Windows tend to flummox text with a font-size less than 1em

[WSG] more usable forms

2004-01-22 Thread Mark Stanton
Nice article on making forms a bit nicer. http://www.sitepoint.com/article/1273 Cheers Mark -- Mark Stanton Technical Director Gruden Pty Ltd Tel: 9956 6388 Mob: 0410 458 201 Fax: 9956 8433 http://www.gruden.com * The

Re: [WSG] more usable forms

2004-01-22 Thread Andrew Cheong
I have never heard of the label tag. This article is quite useful. It is true - every detail matters once you get to a certain level of web development. I guess the label tag also mets conformance standards since the text that used to float around without a semantically defined purposenow can

RE: [WSG] more usable forms

2004-01-22 Thread Mark Stanton
Hey Andrew You may also be interested in the accessible form demo presented to the Sydney group by Roger Hudson - http://webstandardsgroup.org/resources/documents/doc_5_accessform.html. There are a few other links to stuff he discussed that night at -

Re: [WSG] more usable forms

2004-01-22 Thread James Ellis
Andrew : See my tables or css post a while back for an example of this, copied below. It may help out.. Hi But then we have tables used as a layout device, and a form isn't associated tabular data.. it's a user interface. What if we wanted to present the form in a different way using

Re: [WSG] more usable forms [Virus checkedAU]

2004-01-22 Thread Viktor . Radnai
This email is to be read subject to the disclaimer below. Hi Andrew, I have never heard of the label tag. This article is quite useful. It is true - every detail matters once you get to a certain level of web development. If you found the label tag useful, check out the fieldset and

Re: [WSG] more usable forms

2004-01-22 Thread Chris Blown
I was quite surprised when I first saw the way that some Mac browsers highlight focused inputs with a light blue border. If only :focus was better supported by IE. and PNG's and.. and.. ChrisB On Fri, 2004-01-23 at 13:42, Mark Stanton wrote: Nice article on making forms a bit nicer.

[WSG] Some links for Friday afternoon...

2004-01-22 Thread russ weakley
The Business Case for Web Accessibility (Excellent short article on web accessibility by Andy Budd): http://www.andybudd.com/blog/archives/000143.html Interview with Dave Shea (although it is more about him as a person, there are some interesting comments about influences and web standards):

[WSG] XHTML: Labels, Image Maps, and Flash

2004-01-22 Thread Andrew Cheong
Thanks James, Mark, and Viktor for all the information about the forms! I'm learning so much from this mailing group - it's amazing. I just have a question though. Though I'm fairly certain the label, fieldset, and legend tags would be supported in future versions of XHTML, are they going to

Re: [WSG] XHTML: Labels, Image Maps, and Flash

2004-01-22 Thread James Ellis
no worries, accesskey is very important for those who use a keyboard to navigate a page - as it can allow a keystroke to give focus to the label. Grouping form fields with the correct tags is far better than using say a table cell which can I believe adds a bit of confusion for screen reader

RE: [WSG] Some links for Friday afternoon...

2004-01-22 Thread Mark Stanton
Search engine optimisation (a few things in there that MarkS may disagree with, but a good summary): http://www.9rules.com/whitespace/web_mastering/search_engine_optimization.ph p Just gave the write up a quick once over it looks cool, but as of about Oct/Nov last year - I know nothing about