On Fri, Jul 20, 2007 at 11:23:44AM +1000, Webb, KerryA wrote:
If that's an efficient and effective way to publish a document, let them
do it - providing the PDF is properly marked up.
Is there an organisation that systematically produces well marked up accessible
PDFs? I train people in how to
Can we just step back a moment, and consider what we are doing. As I
write this reply, I am typing the content of this mail IN A NEW WINDOW.
When I send the mail, the window disappears and I'm left with a large
window, with folders in a FRAME down the left. As I read the new mails,
I move
No.
PDF is a document file format, not a Web technolgy. Whilst you may say
that it's use on the Web has become standard that does not make it a Web
Standard (except by some tortuous abuse of semantics).
Adobe might be
On Fri, July 20, 2007 9:39 am, Alastair Campbell wrote:
On Fri, Jul 20,
Stuart Foulstone wrote:
PDF is a document file format, not a Web technolgy. Whilst you may say
that it's use on the Web has become standard that does not make it a Web
Standard (except by some tortuous abuse of semantics).
HTML is a document file format. While there may be an argument to be
On Friday 20 July 2007 07:44, Dave Lane wrote:
If I click on a link on their site I expect it to open in my current
window - if it insists on opening a new window, it pisses me off,
because that's not how I work. I see that approach as indicating a
designer still in a very IE5.5-6 mindset:
If your banking site relies on a new window for its security, then it is
time to get a new bank!
In this day and age when every major browser has tabbed browsing, there
is little that is more infuriating than have a new browser window
spawned for no reason - worst of all is when I 'middle-click'
Saying that PDF's are needed by Government Websites is a very circular
argument for allowing them - why are they needed? In my experience it is
only ever because of laziness or poorly designed workflows, and as you
point out, we all hate them, especially when they cannot be opened/read.
Mike
Michael
I understand your comments, however I think it would be very difficult for
governments other high volume publishers to remove the need for PDFs. Where
an audience must be reached by a variety of channels by both web and printed
media, it would be sensless to have to produce multiple sets
Told you - abuse of semantics to undermine Web Standards again:-)
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BigEasy Web Design
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On Fri, July 20, 2007 11:06 am, Rob Crowther wrote:
Stuart Foulstone wrote:
PDF is a
On Jul 19, 2007, at 8:39 PM, Philippe Wittenbergh wrote:
I would use the following structure:
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Ah! this does look a lot better!
Thank you so much!
tee
On 2007/07/20 20:14 (GMT+1000) Steve Olive apparently typed:
There are valid cases for opening content from the same site in a new window.
The most obvious is when logging into secure sections of web sites, like
online banking. By forcing a new window that then generates the secure
session
Hi All,
Could use your savvy in creating a style that would prevent the
services content from sliding out of position when viewed on a very
large display.
http://bushidodeep.com/summer_2007/wide_capture.png
Granted this width is not close to the norm, it would good to support
it, and
HI,
A I've not read the entire thread, the suggestion may have been
offered. For Safari this extension allows the user to disable
Safari rendering of pdf:
SafariSpeed 2.0
http://pimpmysafari.com/plugins/
This should be a feature of of all UA's but this is a start.
CK
On Jul 20, 2007, at
On Jul 20, 2007, at 3:39 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Saying that PDF's are needed by Government Websites is a very circular
argument for allowing them - why are they needed? In my experience
it is
only ever because of laziness or poorly designed workflows, and as you
Designer wrote:
Can we just step back a moment, and consider what we are doing. As I
write this reply, I am typing the content of this mail IN A NEW
WINDOW.[]
Do those who proclaim annoyance at having 'new windows forced on them'
apply the same thinking to mail, Dreamweaver (and all the
Hi CK,
On Jul 20, 2007, at 6:21 AM, CK wrote:
Hi All,
Could use your savvy in creating a style that would prevent the
services content from sliding out of position when viewed on a very
large display.
http://bushidodeep.com/summer_2007/wide_capture.png
div#bd_container {max-width:
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I love web standard and practice it with the best of my
ability,
Nice to know, very glad to hear it.
and I love PDF too - use it, create it, deliver it
So somewhat biased then...
PDF can be accessible, not in the sense of web
Tee G. Peng wrote:
Oh, although no statistic to proof it, but I do believe we manage to
save quite a few forests each year by having the PDFs be available on
one's website, on the internet.
?! You're entitled to your enthusiasm for PDF (which I don't share)
but this one escapes me -- how do
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Saying that PDF's are needed by Government Websites is a very circular
argument for allowing them - why are they needed? In my experience it is
only ever because of laziness or poorly designed workflows, and as you
point out, we all hate them, especially when they cannot
I think the thread here would be summed up as:
Most everyone would agree pdf is a usefull file format with special
qualities and good.
There is nothing wrong with the pdf format.
PDF isn't a web format and causes some people problems in both usability and
irritation.
Having a link that says
On Jul 20, 2007, at 7:54 AM, Hassan Schroeder wrote:
Oh, although no statistic to proof it, but I do believe we manage
to save quite a few forests each year by having the PDFs be
available on one's website, on the internet.
?! You're entitled to your enthusiasm for PDF (which I don't
Hi,
Your solution was great, now I've developed a problem with a vertical
scroll bar. some of the math has went awry. Would you assist?
CK
On Jul 20, 2007, at 9:06 AM, Tee G. Peng wrote:
Hi CK,
On Jul 20, 2007, at 6:21 AM, CK wrote:
Hi All,
Could use your savvy in creating a style that
On Jul 20, 2007, at 8:53 AM, CK wrote:
Hi,
Your solution was great, now I've developed a problem with a
vertical scroll bar. some of the math has went awry. Would you assist?
please post the url.
tee
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That would help:
http://bushidodeep.com/summer_2007/template_02.php
On Jul 20, 2007, at 11:43 AM, Tee G. Peng wrote:
On Jul 20, 2007, at 8:53 AM, CK wrote:
Hi,
Your solution was great, now I've developed a problem with a
vertical scroll bar. some of the math has went awry. Would you
Oh, one more thing, are you serving your page application/xhtml+xml?
If not, you probably should removed the ?xml version='1.0'
encoding='iso-8859-1' ? from your top of your document and change
the dtd to xhtm 1.0 (transitional or strict) or html 4.0 strict
I don't know well enough to
On Jul 20, 2007, at 9:48 AM, CK wrote:
That would help:
http://bushidodeep.com/summer_2007/template_02.php
On Jul 20, 2007, at 11:43 AM, Tee G. Peng wrote:
try remove the 'min-height: 100%;' from the same div or make it less
than 100% if you really must use it. I did a quick test on
On Jul 20, 2007, at 12:24 PM, Tee G. Peng wrote:
On Jul 20, 2007, at 9:48 AM, CK wrote:
That would help:
http://bushidodeep.com/summer_2007/template_02.php
On Jul 20, 2007, at 11:43 AM, Tee G. Peng wrote:
try remove the 'min-height: 100%;' from the same div or make it
less than 100%
The mime type is being served by a PHP dynamic script for selecting
the correct mime type:
http://www.workingwith.me.uk/articles/scripting/mimetypes
On Jul 20, 2007, at 12:37 PM, Tee G. Peng wrote:
Oh, one more thing, are you serving your page application/xhtml
+xml? If not, you probably
Like I said, blame the messenger - blame the people who created the PDF
for not making it accssible and easy for the users. Don't blame the PDF
itself - it's innocent and in fact in my opinion, a beneficial
technology Adobe has invented.
My earlier complaint was not about whether not pdf
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