[WSG] ems versus pixels

2010-07-20 Thread AGerasimchuk
Hi, I've been converting some of our company public-facing static web-sites from pixels to ems for layout and font-size. But just recently I encountered several references that pixels are getting back into popularity - as it offers absolute control over text, and that most browsers now can

Re: [WSG] ems versus pixels

2010-07-20 Thread Edward Lynn
Modern browsers now implement page zoom, and so using ems for me is becoming unnecessary. I get much better x-browser control with px's and so that is the direction im moving in Ed On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 2:53 PM, agerasimc...@unioncentral.com wrote: Hi, I've been converting some of our

Re: [WSG] ems versus pixels

2010-07-20 Thread Phil Archer
I must offer a contrary view to Edward! Any page that requires a user with normal vision to have to zoom on any device is, in my view, a sign of a really badly designed page on a really smart device. Pixels can be regarded as a proportional measure since pixel density varies between

Re: [WSG] ems versus pixels

2010-07-20 Thread Edward Lynn
I actually think this is a really interesting, key area of current web development, how about we add some links to resources putting either argument forward? On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 3:30 PM, Phil Archer ph...@w3.org wrote: I must offer a contrary view to Edward! Any page that requires a user

Re: [WSG] ems versus pixels

2010-07-20 Thread Jason Arnold
On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 9:59 AM, David Laakso da...@chelseacreekstudio.com wrote: Points is the way to go nowadays :-) . Best, ~d I think picas is the way to go ;) here are some resources on the use of Ems vs Pixels http://css-discuss.incutio.com/wiki/Using_Font_Size which links to these

RE: [WSG] ems versus pixels

2010-07-20 Thread Foskett, Mike
Has anyone on the list considered using keywords? Set body tag to either 100.1% in IE, while pixels are fine in non-IE browsers: body { font: 16px/1.4em verdana, helvetica, sans-serif; } * html body { font: 100.1%/1.4em verdana, helvetica, sans-serif; } Though recently I've been using

Re: [WSG] ems versus pixels

2010-07-20 Thread David Laakso
Foskett, Mike wrote: Has anyone on the list considered using keywords? Mike Foskett Has anyone conceived of a layout for the page using percent, em, /and/ pixel width, with the fonts specified in percent [ or em ] :-) ? Best, ~d -- http://chelseacreekstudio.com/

RE: [WSG] ems versus pixels

2010-07-20 Thread michael.brockington
The basic plan that I follow is to use % for structural items, which generally need to be proportional to other structural items, and ultimately the viewport itself. Then, pixels purely for borders and images, And EMs only for text. Margins and padding can be either pixels, EMs or % depending

Re: [WSG] ems versus pixels

2010-07-20 Thread Felix Miata
On 2010/07/20 09:53 (GMT-0400) agerasimc...@unioncentral.com composed: I've been converting some of our company public-facing static web-sites from pixels to ems for layout and font-size. But just recently I encountered several references that pixels are getting back into popularity - as it

[WSG] stretching of html elements

2010-07-20 Thread Jayachandran Kandasamy
Hi Team, Is there any idea to overcome the problem when there is content without blankspace (spaces between words) inside TD / DIV is still expanding though it has fixed width. Any suggestions welcome :) Cheers, JC *** List

Re: [WSG] link rel=stylesheet question

2010-07-20 Thread Jody Tate
Many thanks to those who respond to the link rel=stylesheet question, Best, jody *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help:

RE: [WSG] ems versus pixels

2010-07-20 Thread AGerasimchuk
That sounds like a good solution. The primary reason we want to switch to EMS is for Accessibility and ability to enlarge text via browser's settings. Will using % for structure be able to accomodate the growing size of the text accordingly if text is in ems? My understanding is that primary

[WSG] Accessibility standards - examples?

2010-07-20 Thread AGerasimchuk
Hello - and another question from me: Can anyone recommend a good understandable interpretation of Accessibility Guidelines 2.0? I, as a designer/developer, understand pretty much most of it (or whatever I need for our company purposes), but we are in process of Defining how we are going to

Re: [WSG] stretching of html elements

2010-07-20 Thread Russ Weakley
Hi JC, This is a question where a example would help. It all depends on: 1. the element in question (the TD element operates differently to DIV element in many cases) 2. whether sizing has been applied to the element 3. whether positioning had been applied to the element 4. which browser you

Re: [WSG] ems versus pixels

2010-07-20 Thread David Hucklesby
On 7/20/10 8:25 AM, David Laakso wrote: Foskett, Mike wrote: Has anyone on the list considered using keywords? Mike Foskett Has anyone conceived of a layout for the page using percent, em, /and/ pixel width, with the fonts specified in percent [ or em ] :-) ? Best, ~d Eric seems to have

Re: [WSG] ems versus pixels

2010-07-20 Thread David Laakso
David Hucklesby wrote: On 7/20/10 8:25 AM, David Laakso wrote: Foskett, Mike wrote: Has anyone on the list considered using keywords? Mike Foskett Has anyone conceived of a layout for the page using percent, em, /and/ pixel width, with the fonts specified in percent [ or em ] :-) ? Best,

Re: [WSG] ems versus pixels

2010-07-20 Thread tee
EM can fail miserably in below senario for IEs for p, li and span tags due to inheritance making them very tiny and unable to get consistence font size for one block of content in different browsers not just the IE. body {font-size: 100.1%} p, li {font-size: 0.95em} span {font-size: 0.9em}

Re: [WSG] ems versus pixels

2010-07-20 Thread Scott Elcomb
On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 9:52 PM, tee weblis...@gmail.com wrote: snip I used to use EM only for font size, something I learned from this list. It was time when you are new, you have no your opinion and know nothing about exception that some fine ivory tower idea cannot withstand real world

Re: [WSG] ems versus pixels

2010-07-20 Thread Mathew Robertson
On 21 July 2010 11:52, tee weblis...@gmail.com wrote: EM can fail miserably in below senario for IEs for p, li and span tags due to inheritance making them very tiny and unable to get consistence font size for one block of content in different browsers not just the IE. body {font-size:

Re: [WSG] ems versus pixels

2010-07-20 Thread Josh Godsiff
Yup. Check out http://nican.com.au/ On 21/7/2010 1:25 AM, David Laakso wrote: Foskett, Mike wrote: Has anyone on the list considered using keywords? Mike Foskett Has anyone conceived of a layout for the page using percent, em, /and/ pixel width, with the fonts specified in

Re: [WSG] ems versus pixels

2010-07-20 Thread tee
On Jul 20, 2010, at 7:10 PM, Mathew Robertson wrote: On 21 July 2010 11:52, tee weblis...@gmail.com wrote: EM can fail miserably in below senario for IEs for p, li and span tags due to inheritance making them very tiny and unable to get consistence font size for one block of content in

Re: [WSG] stretching of html elements

2010-07-20 Thread Jayachandran Kandasamy
Hi Russ, I tried these CSS 3 properties and tested in the IE7 and Mozilla FF 3.6.6 browser, they are not helping is there any special hacks available to overcome this problem Thanks for your immediate response and article link you have given me. Cheers, JC On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 5:15 AM, Russ