Re: [WSG] small gap

I'm sorry to ask this question but I've been looking at this page for too long and I can't see why there is a small gap between the top nav and the content. I think it's due to the padding-bottom in the #current selector. Try to apply the padding to the links just once, then add current-specifi

Re: [WSG] Mac IE 5.2 and horizontally presented s

I'm running into a problem with the presentation of my primary navigation in Mac IE 5.2. [..] http://www.capstrat.com/development/cs2004/template4.html First, try to use div#navigation ul instead of div#nav-primary ul, if that's what you want to control (at least it becomes much easier to read t

Re: [WSG] a new fellow

We are keen to get WSG meetings going in other cities, so it looks like you will have to be our Swedish ambassador, Anton. Hehe.. well, avec plaisir :) If it's world domination you want, I guess wsg-se, wsg-fr etc should be the next logic thing to do to spread the word.. ;) see ya, /Anton -- Wh

Re: [WSG]list-o-matic-o-rama-o-thingy

Well... all I can say is that styling lists is VERY popular now: Yeah, but what about nested lists? What about a Listamatic 2.0 with this as a focus? :) Below is a HTML proposal I'm currently playing around with anyway (using instead of #current for increased accessibility):

Re: [WSG]list-o-matic-o-rama-o-thingy

Wow, have you been listening to the phone conversations between Peter and I? Well, I admit. You're the one with the dark voice, right? ;) You even suggested the same id names - too weird! Well, I just looked at the HTML used in 1.0 so nothing's spooky in here I'm afraid (except my telepatic phone

[WSG]Target-a-browser

Hi all, I just throwed this page together, happy to get some feedback: http://standardice.com/experimental/targetabrowser.html I lack some browsers and haven't verified the Opera tip someone mentioned on css-discuss yesterday but I guess it's a start anyway. cheers, /Anton -- What your lacks,

IE5/Mac Nested list problem (was: [WSG]list-o-matic-o-rama-o-thingy)

Having played a little more with nested lists now, I get some strange results in IE5/Mac. It occurs when I move the sublist into another toplevel list item, further to the right. Have anyone experienced this? I get a padding-right-like effect of the submenu . E.g., if I move the one list item

Re: [WSG]O-matic madness...

Hi, since I don't have access to more than 2 browsers on my old laptop, could someone please take a look at: http://standardice.com/experimental/nestedlists.html before I submit it to Listamatic2 ? TIA, /Anton -- What your lacks, your compensates.

Re: [WSG]O-matic madness...

Opera 7 seems to have a big problem with float boxes inside a floated box. hm, ok.. i'll see what i can do. thanx a lot so far! /Anton -- What your lacks, your compensates. * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/

Re: [WSG]O-matic madness...

Courtesy of Daemon's Browsercam account - actual browser screenshots (not emulations) of your list in: wow, cool.. thx. just a note: IE5/Mac there has weird bug that sometimes shows up the first time you visit the page (i have it here too) but after reloading it looks (at my place) exactly as M

[WSG] padding/margin issue

I read some while ago that the margin-left of the tag is not a margin issue for some browsers but sometimes a _padding_ thingie (maybe for the then?). Can someone confirm this? It might explain some problems I had recently.. cheers, /Anton -- What your lacks, your compensates.

RE: [WSG] padding/margin issue

Gosh, you're fast - I was just about to disconnect my modem ;) Thanx, it was the browser differences I wasn't sure about. /Anton -- What your lacks, your compensates. * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/

[WSG]Styled indented header

Ran across a good ol' Quark-layouted PDF with a nice header that made me a little jealous of the lack of limits in the desktop world. So I just had to recreate it using CSS :) Here it is: http://standardice.com/experimental/indentedheader.html Comments? /Anton -- What your lacks, your compens

[WSG]Skipper - screen reader for Linux

Don't know if this is common knowledge (didn't find it in the archive) but this screen reader seems very promising (being GPL:ed et al): http://skipper.sourceforge.net/ 'night, /Anton -- What your lacks, your compensates. * The discussion li

Re: [WSG]WSG Icons

really like to see some comments on this so we actually have a looks nice. /Anton -- What your lacks, your compensates. * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *

[WSG]Magazine imitations, Target-a-browser

Two things: 1) I've been doing some imitations of magazines once in a while and have now collected them at: http://standardice.com/experimental/magazines.html Hope you find them useful. 2) I haven't yet given up trying to target the different Opera's using the method mentioned at css-discuss.

[WSG]Image replacements

Did I miss something or why is the FIR[1] and LIR[2] methods touted as being so cool? I thought "visibility: hidden" did the job, no? Since it differs from "display: none" in not removing the block from the page. cheers, /Anton [1] http://www.stopdesign.com/articles/css/replace-text/ [2] http

[WSG]More mimics

Just to drop a note that I've added a few more magazine mimics today, one of which I'm especially proud of (La Cronicle). It's using the list-style-position: inside (combined with paddings) to colorize the background of the list number, which normally is very hard to do. Check it out at: http:/

Re: [WSG]Bottom Aligned Div Tags

Hi Adam, #header { position: absolute; left: 0px; right: 0px; top: 0px; } You shouldn't actually use left and right together this way, try instead to use a combination of only one x-value and one y-value. #page_content { Also, try to avoid underscore in class names, use "-" instead. There'

Re: [WSG]Targetting CSS at IE 5 and 5.5 only

http://tantek.com/CSS/Examples/midpass.html I'm using: * html p { color: maroon; } <--- which IE5 & 6 understands * html p { co\lor: red; } <--- which IE6 then overrides (not IE5/Win though) /Anton -- What your lacks, your compensates. * The di

RE: [WSG]Forms and definition lists

I would rebut with this: the HTML 4.01 specification says that a dl could be used for pairings other than definitions, citing a script (character/speech pair) as an example. Well, yes. But I could understand that if e.g. the e-mail address field had a specified value that told me what my e-mail add

Re: [WSG]Targetting CSS at IE 5 and 5.5 only

One thing I did notice about your browser targeting was that it picks Konqueror as Mozilla - I think that was with 3.1.4 and 3.2 alpha which includes lots of the Safari fixes. Yeah, at the moment I've renamed that column to "Moz/KHTML" since I don't know of any (validating) hacks that filter the

RE: [WSG]Forms and definition lists

You can have multiple s to your s. Yes, this should be used (again IMO) when a word or a phenomenon or similar can have different meanings (depending on how it's pronounced even).. I'm all for openining up semantics, I just don't see the form field thingie as a good enough reason.. cheers, /A

[WSG] I won! :)

http://www.fifteen.be/ I'm just a little afraid I may find some errors in my entry now when looking at it again.. After all it was about a month ago that I sent it in and I've learnt a lot since, especially about font-sizing.. :] cheers, /Anton -- What your lacks, your compensates. *

RE: [WSG] PHP & MySQL CMS that adheres to Web Standards [Virus checkedAU]

* Anyone has ideas how to get the semantic message through too? Like, != and here's why: ... Seems to be a great dilemma and not only a parsing/validation issue :/ cheers, /Anton -- What your lacks, your compensates. * The discussion li

[WSG] HTML 4.01 vs XHTML 1.0 ?

Hi all, What do you think about this read: http://hixie.ch/advocacy/xhtml ? /Anton -- What your lacks, your compensates. * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *

Re: [WSG] Some light reading...

Maybe already posted(?): http://www.decloak.com/Products/Dreamweaver/NestedTemplates/TablesOrLayers.aspx (found at saila.com) /Anton -- What your lacks, your compensates. * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *

Re: [WSG] Some light reading...

1. Sites built to web standards do not have to be full-CSS. While it is a great goal, it is not essential. You can use hybrid layouts with a basic table grids to hold the elements in place and all other presentation driven by CSS. Exactly.. But I don't get his "can't look in the source to find out

[WSG] Dave Hyatt, Safari and XUL/XAML

http://weblogs.mozillazine.org/hyatt/archives/2003_10.html#004257 Probably his longest blog entry ever.. :] /Anton -- What your lacks, your compensates. * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ **

[WSG] Site check: Listamatic entry (to-be)

Hi all, Got some ideas I just had to try: - How about using the Listamatic #current list item as a visial identifier, placed elsewhere in the document? - Can one create a nice-looking :hover effect with letter-spacing when using floats, since text is not centered? I put it together at: http://s

[WSG] Mac and screen readers

No screen reader software for the mac platform - a change is on its way? http://www.businessweek.com/technology/content/nov2003/tc20031112_9773_tc056.htm cheers, /Anton -- What your lacks, your compensates. * The discussion list for http://webs

RE: [WSG] A few interesting articles...

tags - you get a "site navigation" bar under the location bar with words like "home", "help", "index", "search", etc... In iCab too, IIRC ;) /Anton -- What your lacks, your compensates. * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/

Re: [WSG] Another full CSS site

Another full css site goes live: Is there a site dedicated to listing all these "switchers" in the works..? cheers, /Anton -- web standards guy #1: nice one, huh? ok, now your turn... web standards guy #2: ok... how about this one: colspan=9. web standards guy #1&2: phfff-GAH-AHA-HAHA-HOHO-H

Re: [WSG] ex as a font size

Anyone have any experience using this? I use it instead of em's from time to time, mostly when defining widths and I know I won't be using capital letters. cheers, /Anton -- web standards guy #1: nice one, huh? ok, now your turn... web standards guy #2: ok... how about this one: colspan=9. web

Re: [WSG] do people still use bookmarks?

I don't know about you guys, but Word Documents, Bookmarks and URI namespace rules takes a lot of space on this list now, and I'm drowning.. Could we all please be a little more brief when discussion thos (OT) issues, ok? TIA, /Anton -- What your lacks, your compensates.

[WSG] Nokia ignores XHTML DOCTYPES?

Just read this one and found it quite shocking: http://blog.outer-court.com/archive/2004_01_05_index.html#107329348165573660 How come it IGNORES the CSS if it's not a Nokia-only DOCTYPE[1] or a XHTML Basic[2] one? Wouldn't even XHTML Transitional work, or did I miss something? Weird.. cheers, /

Re: [WSG] styling hr tags

I can never understand why tags made it into the XHTML spec, as they are pretty much presentation-only, not structure. is supposed to mean "change of topic" structurewise. cheers, /Anton -- What your lacks, your compensates. * The discussio

Re: [WSG] AudioSite template - almost there ...

If I'm right, it's just a matter of making the L in "onLoad" lowercase. remember, all attributes must be in lowercase. This includes Javascript calling functions (eg, onMouseOver => onmouseover) oops, sorry :] Note to self: _read_ the mail before hitting reply, bummer.. /Anton -- What your l

Re: [WSG] AudioSite template - almost there ...

Write onload instead of onLoad (yes, it's ridiculous.. ;) cheers, /Anton -- What your lacks, your compensates. * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *

Re: [WSG] A few links...

While the archive section is partially helpful, any useful link posted to WSG should also be added to our resources section. Is there any way some skillful coder here could hack up a script to parse the list emails, strip out all links, present them in a "recent links sent to wsg-list" kind of l

[WSG] Calendar Day Highlighting

Hi all, I throw together a simple "calendar" that highlights each day on :hover, hope you find it intresting (given the tight code): http://standardice.com/experimental/calendarhighlighting.html cheers, /Anton PS. I was inspired by the Flash calendar at http://www.vcc.com.my/calendar/index2.cf

RE: [WSG] Calendar Day Highlighting

Given the recent discussion on definition list, maybe you could build it with those as an alternative? Well, thanks for the suggestion but as I know what happens with definition lists in e.g. Google (try search for "define: css" and you'll see), I wouldn't want my calendar being indexed as "Def

[WSG] Cool color picker

http://www.pixy.cz/apps/barvy/index-en.html Very nice... /Anton -- What your lacks, your compensates. * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *

[WSG] Background PNGs in IE/Win?

Anyone knows of the support for background (24bit) PNGs in IE/Win? I've seen PNGs show up with a gray box around it, but does this apply when using them in background-image: as well? TIA, /Anton -- What your lacks, your compensates. * The di

Re: [WSG] A few quick links...

A strangely unstyled page, but some excellent concise info on accessibility Heh, I like this one: WWW ;) Otherwise a good read. /Anton -- What your lacks, your compensates. * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/

[WSG] DOM scripting

Hi, I just updated my blog at: http://andreasson.org/, using some DOM scripting à la Flash. Please give me some feedback, I've never done this kind of stuff before (and haven't tested it a lot yet). cheers, /Anton - got to get some sleep now.. -- What your lacks, your compensates. *

Re: [WSG] "Dodging CSS Hacks" Tutorial

http://web.theward.net/dodgingcsshacks.html Technically, Trident has got little (or nothing?) to do with CSS parsing. I found a post from "liorean" at css-d explaining this: "Just as a note, Trident is the rendering engine of ie/w. It is not the XML, the HTML/tagsoup or the CSS parsing engine;

Re: [WSG] CSS and PhpNuke

Does anyone have any examples of well implemented CSS with this program? You can take a look at: http://www.stockholmsfria.nu/, it's the online version of a Swedish newspaper I'm working with. I've done the CSS coding and the phpNuke hacking which, to be honest, is a pain in the ___. The whole

[WSG] Filtering out Safari 1.2 frmo Mozilla?

Hi, could someone please help me out here. I need to feed Mozilla with this code: html[xmlns] > body #chronique div.title { margin: -1.5em 0 0 20px; } ...but I need to reset the top margin for Safari 1.2, is there any way this can be done? I just noticed (rather late, I know ;) that Safari

Re: [WSG] Some links for reading...

CSS: The Good, the Bad, & the Ugly: http://www.stopdesign.com/present/sxsw2004/goodbad/ Well, I still think this method rocks: http://levin.grundeis.net/files/20031217/test.html (found at: http://levin.grundeis.net/files/20031203/ir.html) cheers, /Anton -- What your lacks, your compensates. ***

Re: [WSG] Problems in Mac IE 5.2

Could someone please tell me if I need some special "hack" for Mac IE or if there is a solution at all? I think I know the answer to this one (as I just spend hours on the same type of IE5/Mac dilemma). There seems to be a bug in IE5/Mac involving "inherited clearing" (in lack of a better term

[WSG] webstandardsgroup.se registered - feedback wanted

Hi, I just registered webstandardsgroup.se, a potential Swedish sister-site to webstandardsgroup.org. Got some ideas for it already, would be glad to recieve others too (preferably off-list). I'll keep you posted later on when ideas start to take more shape. cheers, /Anton -- What your lacks,

Re: [WSG] print css crashing ie6

Gallagher, Robin skrev: Hi I've got a 3-column css page that crashes IE6 when I try to print or print preview. Can anyone suggest a possible cause? Hard to say without access to the CSS code. Have you got an URL? /Anton ** The discussion list for