RE: [WSG] WSG Redesign Closed
I repeat from my initial post... Any discussion on this topic should take place on http://discuss.webstandardsgroup.org/archives/12.htm This is not negotiable! Peter Listdad * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: [WSG] WSG Redesign Closed
I have to agree with Mike and Neerav. Aaprt from what I believe to be a select few within the WSG membership, the majority joined on the basis of/as rookies in particular fields. It was my understanding that the Re-Design comp deemed, we as members only had to send a .jpg of our design. If that is correct, the WSG could have been flooded with designs using tables for layouts! Who would have known? That is, until we would have been asked to submit our code. So it is certainly better that the entrants were small in number, as I further believe those entrants will/could provide a fully CSS compliant version of their .jpg. Therefore R and P, please don't assume that the majority just could not be bothered to submit designs. If, on the otherhand, we were to have had a WSG poll to ask each member for example: Would you consider yourself in a designer-sense a:- 1) Newbie 2) Intermediate student 3) Guru Before the design comp, then I for one, would have had to put myself, somewhere between a and b. Ask yourselves, R and P. how many members have (roughly, within the past six months) added a nessage asking the other members to check a first ever design using XHTML/CSS? I know I fall into that catagory! So please don't be disheartened by the lack of response to the comp. And we really do all appreciate the help we are individually given here. Keep your heads up R and P and thank you for having us as WSG members. --- Neerav [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree with Mike While decently conversant with XHTML/CSS and learning more constantly, I don't call myself a graphics designer. So until I gain a lot more experience and skill, submitting a template for the WSG is as unlikely as my designs joining the CSS Zen Garden. Why not use the submitted designs as alternative stylesheets to the WSG site? -- Neerav Bhatt http://www.bhatt.id.au Web Development IT consultancy Michael Kear wrote: Well I for one thought it was a worthwhile project, and a good thing to try. I didn't submit a design because I don't put myself in the same class as many of the others on this list. I wouldn't want to have my design work judged alongside professional designers. Now if you're talking about code and functionality and stuff, well my professional reputation will put me in the running I reckon, but not design skills. I'm here on this list as a learner, and I'm learning as fast as I can. But able to contribute a classy design as the showcase of this group? Not me. Couldn't do it. And specially not using the CSS/Accessibility techniques we're all learning. I'd venture to suggest there were quite a few of the members of this list who were in the same category as me. The impression I have is that there aren't all that many of the 600 list members who'd say they were fully conversant with all the techniques advocated by this group. Don't regard the response as lack of interest. Call it lack of expertise on the part of the list members with techniques that while familiar to you, are new and revolutionary to most of the web development world. Cheers Mike Kear Windsor, NSW, Australia AFP Webworks http://afpwebworks.com * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help * _ Still Paying $35 for a .COM, .NET or .ORG Web Address? iDotz.Net offers Cool Domains @ Great Prices! Starting @ $8.75 Go: http://www.idotz.net * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
[WSG] WSG Redesign Closed
Hi Members, Voting has now closed for the WSG design competition. For your information, here are the top 3 results: Voting (total 144 votes): 69 votes (47.9%) - Russ Weakley 35 votes (24.3%) - Current Site 17 votes (11.8%) - Lindsay Evans Rating (sum of points awarded -2 to 2): 154 - Russ Weakley 61 - Lindsay Evans 39 - Current Site To be honest, the exercise did not go as well as we had planned. While the initial interest seemed high, we received only 3 member submissions from approximately 600 members and only 23% of the membership made the effort to vote. This clearly shows there isn't much interest in participating in the WSG redesign. We hear you loud and clear! Rather than drag this project out any further we have decided to put it out of its misery. No one will be awarded the winner and we will not continue with the open redesign process. The host (webboy.net) will remain responsible for the design of the website and this may involve inviting members directly for input at a later date. We will now implement some changes to the operation and codebase of the website but in the short term, the existing look and feel will remain pretty well as is. We would like to thank the three members who submitted entries; Lindsay Evans, Hugh Todd and Susan Gossman. All three entrants will receive a copy of Dan Cederholm's book Web Standards Solutions: The Markup and Style Handbook for taking the time to enter and they should all be congratulated for the spirit and courage it took to step out in front of a somewhat intimidating audience. We would also like to thank those 144 members that took the time to vote. Oh well. Live and learn! Any discussion on this topic should take place on http://discuss.webstandardsgroup.org/archives/12.htm Peter and Russ * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
RE: [WSG] WSG Redesign Closed
Well I for one thought it was a worthwhile project, and a good thing to try. I didn't submit a design because I don't put myself in the same class as many of the others on this list. I wouldn't want to have my design work judged alongside professional designers. Now if you're talking about code and functionality and stuff, well my professional reputation will put me in the running I reckon, but not design skills. I'm here on this list as a learner, and I'm learning as fast as I can. But able to contribute a classy design as the showcase of this group? Not me. Couldn't do it. And specially not using the CSS/Accessibility techniques we're all learning. I'd venture to suggest there were quite a few of the members of this list who were in the same category as me. The impression I have is that there aren't all that many of the 600 list members who'd say they were fully conversant with all the techniques advocated by this group. Don't regard the response as lack of interest. Call it lack of expertise on the part of the list members with techniques that while familiar to you, are new and revolutionary to most of the web development world. Cheers Mike Kear Windsor, NSW, Australia AFP Webworks http://afpwebworks.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Peter Firminger Sent: Saturday, 22 May 2004 2:29 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [WSG] WSG Redesign Closed Hi Members, Voting has now closed for the WSG design competition. For your information, here are the top 3 results: Voting (total 144 votes): 69 votes (47.9%) - Russ Weakley 35 votes (24.3%) - Current Site 17 votes (11.8%) - Lindsay Evans Rating (sum of points awarded -2 to 2): 154 - Russ Weakley 61 - Lindsay Evans 39 - Current Site * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: [WSG] WSG Redesign Closed
I agree with Mike While decently conversant with XHTML/CSS and learning more constantly, I don't call myself a graphics designer. So until I gain a lot more experience and skill, submitting a template for the WSG is as unlikely as my designs joining the CSS Zen Garden. Why not use the submitted designs as alternative stylesheets to the WSG site? -- Neerav Bhatt http://www.bhatt.id.au Web Development IT consultancy Michael Kear wrote: Well I for one thought it was a worthwhile project, and a good thing to try. I didn't submit a design because I don't put myself in the same class as many of the others on this list. I wouldn't want to have my design work judged alongside professional designers. Now if you're talking about code and functionality and stuff, well my professional reputation will put me in the running I reckon, but not design skills. I'm here on this list as a learner, and I'm learning as fast as I can. But able to contribute a classy design as the showcase of this group? Not me. Couldn't do it. And specially not using the CSS/Accessibility techniques we're all learning. I'd venture to suggest there were quite a few of the members of this list who were in the same category as me. The impression I have is that there aren't all that many of the 600 list members who'd say they were fully conversant with all the techniques advocated by this group. Don't regard the response as lack of interest. Call it lack of expertise on the part of the list members with techniques that while familiar to you, are new and revolutionary to most of the web development world. Cheers Mike Kear Windsor, NSW, Australia AFP Webworks http://afpwebworks.com * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
