Re: [WSG] device independence
Actually i don't know any specific pitfalls to build web site for cell phone, in this case i build a specific CSS that disable image and positioning attribute. I also specify the text size in Em (that wold be a reasonable mannet to adapt text to screen size). Surely, now cell-phone are interesting device to use for view web pages, but i think that we have to wait a pair of year until this medium will explode in this sense. In order to develop a web site for cell phone i think that the best solution is write a standard compliant Css/XHTML code and trytest it extensively the device indipendence is actually possible, even if you consider flash. last Saturday i went to a press conference were has been presentef the last version of www.fotografiafestival.it, the official site of the international photo festiva in Rome(Italy). I know personally the developer and i can assure that they have made a great work to bouid a flash site that display accessible (triple A conformance), cross-browser and device indipendent. If you want you can surf into fotografiafestival also with your cell phone. i don't know exactily the hacks that they have used to do so, but as i can understand, the real problem to solve regard the plugin detection. thanks to a well formed javascript they are able to build a site compeletely accessible and browser indipendent. (and we speak about a site on photo and image builded in flash). Take a look and try it with different browser (also a screen reader). www.fotografiafestival.it On 4/16/05, Kvnmcwebn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am only now starting to think about cell phones as a valid medium for veiwing web pages. What are some common pitfalls of building websites with regards to device independence-especially when considering flash? If any meadia in your xhtml doc will degrade to basic html/css sans plug ins are we safe enough? Thanks -Kvnmcwebn ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] device independence
You say try test extensively... but from what I've seen there is SO much variation between rendering on different cell phone and PDA's. And I don't know about the rest of the world, but in NZ it is VERY expensive to use the browsing on the cell phone. Is there a web site or an accurate way of 'testing' websites on PDA's and cell phones if you don't have access to them? The only testing websites I've found did a really really bad job of showing you what it would look like and was a waste of time? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Alessandro Calleri Sent: Tuesday, 19 April 2005 1:31 a.m. To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] device independence Actually i don't know any specific pitfalls to build web site for cell phone, in this case i build a specific CSS that disable image and positioning attribute. I also specify the text size in Em (that wold be a reasonable mannet to adapt text to screen size). Surely, now cell-phone are interesting device to use for view web pages, but i think that we have to wait a pair of year until this medium will explode in this sense. In order to develop a web site for cell phone i think that the best solution is write a standard compliant Css/XHTML code and trytest it extensively the device indipendence is actually possible, even if you consider flash. last Saturday i went to a press conference were has been presentef the last version of www.fotografiafestival.it, the official site of the international photo festiva in Rome(Italy). I know personally the developer and i can assure that they have made a great work to bouid a flash site that display accessible (triple A conformance), cross-browser and device indipendent. If you want you can surf into fotografiafestival also with your cell phone. i don't know exactily the hacks that they have used to do so, but as i can understand, the real problem to solve regard the plugin detection. thanks to a well formed javascript they are able to build a site compeletely accessible and browser indipendent. (and we speak about a site on photo and image builded in flash). Take a look and try it with different browser (also a screen reader). www.fotografiafestival.it On 4/16/05, Kvnmcwebn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am only now starting to think about cell phones as a valid medium for veiwing web pages. What are some common pitfalls of building websites with regards to device independence-especially when considering flash? If any meadia in your xhtml doc will degrade to basic html/css sans plug ins are we safe enough? Thanks -Kvnmcwebn ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] device independence
Rachel Radford wrote: Is there a web site or an accurate way of 'testing' websites on PDA's and cell phones if you don't have access to them? Not really. Too many non-standards around... There is a real standard: 'media handheld', but support for it is sketchy to non-existent for most software-packages one can get to small devices. There's a browser-war going on on small devices, and most browsers are pretty incomplete to say the least. Some info: http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=HandheldStylesheets ...more articles can be found on those 'css-d wiki' pages. - Opera's mobile browser is following the handheld-standard and is spreading fast in parts of the world, so the closest you can get at the moment is to use Opera's 7.54/8.0 browsers on big screens, and switch on the 'Small Screen Rendering' they offer. Difference being mostly that the real PDA-browsers don't have the large resources of fonts that you may find in a big browser. Opera's small screen browsers are capable of tuning web pages that don't have 'handheld' styles into something quite useful too, while having good support for the real 'handheld' when that exist. Designing for small screens: http://www.alistapart.com/articles/pocket/ ...is the best article on the subject at the moment. - Most browsers for small devices are ignoring 'media handheld' altogether, and usually makes a mess out of 'media screen' styles -- each their own way. If we ever want some real standard support here, then designing for 'handheld' and testing in Opera is the best we can do. I'm basing my designing for small devices on 'handheld', and have chosen to ignore the other variables out here completely: http://www.gunlaug.no/contents/wd_1_05.html ...will work in Opera. Still working on all the many details... regards Georg -- http://www.gunlaug.no ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
