RE: [WSG] hiring a standards-savvy designer

2004-04-03 Thread Darian Cabot
: Re: [WSG] hiring a standards-savvy designer Sorry. Everytime I reply it takes a long time to appear in the thread. I dunno if it's my mail service or what, but that message I wrote didn't appear for ages. (_) ...you might see this one by tomorrow?? :P and by that time maybe it's also

Re: [WSG] hiring a standards-savvy designer

2004-04-02 Thread russ weakley
This thread has already been moved offlist to the discussion room: http://discuss.webstandardsgroup.org/archives/09.htm Please do not continue this thread onlist Russ I agree Leo, programming takes a logical mind. Art takes a creative mind. However there is a grey area, and I believe that

Re: [WSG] hiring a standards-savvy designer

2004-04-02 Thread Darian Cabot
Sorry. Everytime I reply it takes a long time to appear in the thread. I dunno if it's my mail service or what, but that message I wrote didn't appear for ages. (_) ...you might see this one by tomorrow?? :P and by that time maybe it's also on the discussion board (-_-; ) Darian Cabot

RE: [WSG] hiring a standards-savvy designer

2004-04-02 Thread Michael Kear
AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [WSG] hiring a standards-savvy designer Sorry. Everytime I reply it takes a long time to appear in the thread. I dunno if it's my mail service or what, but that message I wrote didn't appear for ages. (_) ...you might see this one by tomorrow?? :P

Re: [WSG] hiring a standards-savvy designer

2004-04-01 Thread Leo J. O'Campo
My reply didn't show the full quote... so here it is for those who will accuse me of taking it out of context. Art is best left to people that have a knack for it. But again, anyone can learn to program. * The discussion list for

Re: [WSG] hiring a standards-savvy designer

2004-04-01 Thread Ryan Christie
I'm the guilty party Leo. Well it was 2am and I guess that came out convoluted. I meant to say it would be easier to learn coding than to learn good art. Both are talents in their own realms, but if you are forced to transition from one into another, I'm sure Design into HTML would be easier

RE: [WSG] hiring a standards-savvy designer

2004-03-31 Thread Letsky-Anderson, Christine
Hi Kay, I wouldn't worry too much even if your designers think Fireworks output is a good way to go. For years, we used table-based sites. All of our designers were taught Fireworks/Dreamweaver. Starting January 2004, we completely abandoned Fireworks. All of our new sites are being produced

Re: [WSG] hiring a standards-savvy designer

2004-03-31 Thread Jeremy Flint
Have they ever used Dreamweaver without going into the WYSIWYG. Do they KNOW HTML? Could they code a site with nothing but notepad? - Jeremy Flint www.jeremyflint.com Kay Smoljak wrote: Hi guys, At work, we're about to hire a new graphic designer, as our guys are flat out. We're looking

Re: [WSG] hiring a standards-savvy designer

2004-03-31 Thread Sarah Sammis
Hi guys, [snip] So what am I actually asking? I'm interested in what you guys consider reasonable to expect from a graphic designer who also does some overflow html. What would you be looking for? What would you ask in the interview? Thanks for any ideas, K. -- Kay Smoljak

RE: [WSG] hiring a standards-savvy designer

2004-03-31 Thread Chris Keane
You should make up a test that starts with typical graphical elements that your company uses and perhaps a hand drawn mock up of a page. Have them design first in fireworks or whatever your graphic design tool of choice is the layout and then ask them to create a rough HTML of it. Then you can

Re: [WSG] hiring a standards-savvy designer

2004-03-31 Thread Justin French
The only way to find a designer that is sensitive to what's required with standards, accessibility, CSS-based layouts, valid XHTML, etc is to find a web designer with ALL these skills, even if you don't take advantage of them all. They must be able to hand-code valid XHTML in order to have an

Re: [WSG] hiring a standards-savvy designer

2004-03-31 Thread Universal Head
Warning: rant. The very fact that this is even in question with any designer is an indication of how degraded the title has become since computers hit the industry. Design was and has always been about communication and functionality - my degree in 84-88 was 'Visual Communications', not 'web

Re: [WSG] hiring a standards-savvy designer

2004-03-31 Thread Ryan Christie
Amen to that brother. I agree with Christine and most of the others. Even if I take a billion art classes and devote the rest of my life to honing art skills, I will still be horrible compared to a slew of others whose design is immaculate but whose technical side is lacking. You can teach