Re: [WSG] just sharing the frustration
Check also http://tim.mackey.ie/CleanWordHTMLUsingRegularExpressions.aspx for regular expressions to do this. On 2/15/06, Hope Stewart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Find And Replace feature in Dreamweaver can also be a huge time saver.Other programs probably have this same feature. For example:Replace all: br /With: /lili(and remember to add li to the beginning of the first line and /li to the end of the last line.)Then use the Dreamweaver command Apply Source Formatting to make the codemore readable.It might be safer (and easier), however, to use this feature by first pasting the text into a blank html page, do all your editing there and thencopy/paste the re-formatted text into your real page. That way you don't runthe risk of accidentally altering code you didn't want altered. HTH,Hope StewartOn 15/2/06 2:59 PM, Zulema [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wow! I will remember all this for the next time, since I do a lot of Word-to-HTML converting. The crazy thing about this one particular Word doc was that it wasn't in formatted bulleted lists because it was copy extracted from a PDF we got from the client as it seems they didn't have the original copy deck anymore I think.**The discussion list forhttp://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help**
RE: [WSG] just sharing the frustration
Give you writers a very quick lesson in standards. They apply to writing in Word just as much as the web. Don't assume they know about headers, unordered lists, ordered lists, etc. The more they use these basic structural elements in their word documents, the quicker your work will be. It makes sense for everyone. You could even help them set up a basic style sheet to keep them from constantly changing fonts and font sizes. A properly marked up word document will paste into the design view of Dreamweaver very easily. Usually you will only need to do a search for empty paragraph tags and you're done. Dreamweaver will also allow you to select a bunch of paragraphs and hit the unordered list button to instantly convert them to a list. Yes, coders can still use the wysiwyg interfaces. Ted -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Zulema Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 8:00 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] just sharing the frustration Samuel/Ted/Jay, Wow! I will remember all this for the next time, since I do a lot of Word-to-HTML converting. The crazy thing about this one particular Word doc was that it wasn't in formatted bulleted lists because it was copy extracted from a PDF we got from the client as it seems they didn't have the original copy deck anymore I think. Oh well, live and learn. I'm going to find HTMLTidy (which I had but lost on hard drive replace last year) and look up HTML-Kit. I do usually copy/paste right into the design view in dreamweaver for simple stuff. It really does the trick sometimes, if no one's tried it. The writers here at work only work in Word because of the Track Changes feature. Makes it easy for everyone to know what's been changed. Thanks again and hugs to all, Zulema ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] just sharing the frustration
Another tool is a HTML+CSS conversion Wizard for Microsoft Documents. It converts word, powepoint and excel charts to valid xhtml+css and also supports accessibility to people with disabilities. http://www.accessiblewizards.uiuc.edu/ Jon Original message Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 08:31:25 -0800 From: Ted Drake [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [WSG] just sharing the frustration To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Give you writers a very quick lesson in standards. They apply to writing in Word just as much as the web. Don't assume they know about headers, unordered lists, ordered lists, etc. The more they use these basic structural elements in their word documents, the quicker your work will be. It makes sense for everyone. You could even help them set up a basic style sheet to keep them from constantly changing fonts and font sizes. A properly marked up word document will paste into the design view of Dreamweaver very easily. Usually you will only need to do a search for empty paragraph tags and you're done. Dreamweaver will also allow you to select a bunch of paragraphs and hit the unordered list button to instantly convert them to a list. Yes, coders can still use the wysiwyg interfaces. Ted -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Zulema Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 8:00 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] just sharing the frustration Samuel/Ted/Jay, Wow! I will remember all this for the next time, since I do a lot of Word-to-HTML converting. The crazy thing about this one particular Word doc was that it wasn't in formatted bulleted lists because it was copy extracted from a PDF we got from the client as it seems they didn't have the original copy deck anymore I think. Oh well, live and learn. I'm going to find HTMLTidy (which I had but lost on hard drive replace last year) and look up HTML-Kit. I do usually copy/paste right into the design view in dreamweaver for simple stuff. It really does the trick sometimes, if no one's tried it. The writers here at work only work in Word because of the Track Changes feature. Makes it easy for everyone to know what's been changed. Thanks again and hugs to all, Zulema ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** Jon Gunderson, Ph.D. Director of IT Accessibility Services Campus Information Technologies and Educational Services (CITES) and Coordinator of Assistive Communication and Information Technology Disability Resources and Education Services (DRES) Voice: (217) 244-5870 Fax: (217) 333-0248 Cell: (217) 714-6313 E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] WWW: http://cita.rehab.uiuc.edu/ WWW: https://netfiles.uiuc.edu/jongund/www/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] just sharing the frustration
Hope Stewart wrote: The Find And Replace feature in Dreamweaver can also be a huge time saver. Particularly if you're versed in regular expressions...quick and easy way to strip out all the annoying style etc attributes that Word and co like to stick into their HTML, e.g. Find: td[^]* Replace: td P -- Patrick H. Lauke __ re·dux (adj.): brought back; returned. used postpositively [latin : re-, re- + dux, leader; see duke.] www.splintered.co.uk | www.photographia.co.uk http://redux.deviantart.com __ Web Standards Project (WaSP) Accessibility Task Force http://webstandards.org/ __ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] just sharing the frustration
There goes Patrick showing off his regular expression prowess again. Ted -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Patrick H. Lauke Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 5:01 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] just sharing the frustration Hope Stewart wrote: The Find And Replace feature in Dreamweaver can also be a huge time saver. Particularly if you're versed in regular expressions...quick and easy way to strip out all the annoying style etc attributes that Word and co like to stick into their HTML, e.g. Find: td[^]* Replace: td P -- Patrick H. Lauke __ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] just sharing the frustration
The easiest way to use HTMLTidy is from within the Firefox browser. Once installed have a look at the Extensions you can download to help with Web Design. I always add the following extensions: HTML Validator TAW3 - Test de Accesibilidad Web View formatted source View Rendered Source Chart Web Developer These are available for Windows. OS X and Linux versions of Firefox. The Web Developer and HTMLTidy extensions can review web pages and make/suggest the corrections needed for standards compliance. Regards, Steve On 15/02/2006, at 2:59 PM, Zulema wrote: Samuel/Ted/Jay, Wow! I will remember all this for the next time, since I do a lot of Word-to-HTML converting. The crazy thing about this one particular Word doc was that it wasn't in formatted bulleted lists because it was copy extracted from a PDF we got from the client as it seems they didn't have the original copy deck anymore I think. Oh well, live and learn. I'm going to find HTMLTidy (which I had but lost on hard drive replace last year) and look up HTML-Kit. I do usually copy/paste right into the design view in dreamweaver for simple stuff. It really does the trick sometimes, if no one's tried it. The writers here at work only work in Word because of the Track Changes feature. Makes it easy for everyone to know what's been changed. Thanks again and hugs to all, Zulema ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] just sharing the frustration
Depending on which version of word your running (I'm on 2003) you can save a word document as web page, filtered (this then filters out most of the word specific HTML), I'm sure a few smart find and replaces could then clean up/add any code that is not needed or missing. Otherwise you could export the document as a regular web page and use dreamweavers clean up word HTML function to remove the extra crap. I'm not sure how effective it is. In either case, I'm sure you could have saved your valentines day? Samuel Zulema wrote: Hello fellow ponies, I just wanted to share my frustration with having to work late on valentine's day contextualizing copy from a Word doc into html with nested lists galore[1]. Took me about five hours and I might have missed a few. [1] http://test.slackbarshinger.com/pei2006/exhibitor/rules_regulations.html Plus, the web site is far from being completed as I am missing flash mastheads, flash nav, and just about all other images which I'm getting Thursday, when the web site is due Tuesday (no biggie right?). *sigh* I know everyone's been through this before and some of you are prolly thinking, that's nothing! why on my /birthday/, I had to But anyhow, to everyone: I hug u. working hard on valentine's day, Zulema ps: thankfully I'm walking outta here in half an hour come heck or high water! ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] just sharing the frustration
Here's a helpful hint on doing this crap. Use htmlTidy, while I haven't used this, I've heard it's really good. Normally, what I do is create a new basic html page in dreamweaver. I go to the design view and paste the content into the screen. I then switch to code view and run a few search and replaces to clean it up. Dreamweaver does a pretty good job of turning word into decent coding. If people would only use styles in word, i.e. header tags, ul, etc. pasting into dreamweaver would be a five minute exercise. Ted -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Zulema Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 6:45 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WSG List Subject: [WSG] just sharing the frustration Hello fellow ponies, I just wanted to share my frustration with having to work late on valentine's day contextualizing copy from a Word doc into html with nested lists galore[1]. Took me about five hours and I might have missed a few. [1] http://test.slackbarshinger.com/pei2006/exhibitor/rules_regulations.html Plus, the web site is far from being completed as I am missing flash mastheads, flash nav, and just about all other images which I'm getting Thursday, when the web site is due Tuesday (no biggie right?). *sigh* I know everyone's been through this before and some of you are prolly thinking, that's nothing! why on my /birthday/, I had to But anyhow, to everyone: I hug u. working hard on valentine's day, Zulema ps: thankfully I'm walking outta here in half an hour come heck or high water! ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] just sharing the frustration
Ted Drake wrote: Here's a helpful hint on doing this crap. Use htmlTidy, while I haven't used this, I've heard it's really good. Normally, what I do is create a new basic html page in dreamweaver. I go to the design view and paste the content into the screen. I then switch to code view and run a few search and replaces to clean it up. Dreamweaver does a pretty good job of turning word into decent coding. If people would only use styles in word, i.e. header tags, ul, etc. pasting into dreamweaver would be a five minute exercise. Ted HTML-Kit has a tool to strip extra Word 2000 tags although, I usually paste as plain text into HTML-Kit and I have a plugin that converts line breaks into p p and also can turn text lists into ul's or ol's. It doesn't see nested levels in lists though. I actually insist that my clients send me copy in plain text documents where possible and even then I have to fix all the windows charset issues. Damned smart quotes and auto mdashes. Jay -- Jay Gilmore Developer / Consultant SmashingRed Web Marketing P] 902.529.0651 E] [EMAIL PROTECTED] U] http://www.smashingred.com B] http://www.smashingred.com/blog ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] just sharing the frustration
Samuel/Ted/Jay, Wow! I will remember all this for the next time, since I do a lot of Word-to-HTML converting. The crazy thing about this one particular Word doc was that it wasn't in formatted bulleted lists because it was copy extracted from a PDF we got from the client as it seems they didn't have the original copy deck anymore I think. Oh well, live and learn. I'm going to find HTMLTidy (which I had but lost on hard drive replace last year) and look up HTML-Kit. I do usually copy/paste right into the design view in dreamweaver for simple stuff. It really does the trick sometimes, if no one's tried it. The writers here at work only work in Word because of the Track Changes feature. Makes it easy for everyone to know what's been changed. Thanks again and hugs to all, Zulema ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
