Re: [WSG] IE8 news - stats
Well, if you'd like some stats from a .au site with very much non-technical, typically Australian-sourced traffic: 1. Internet Explorer / Windows 44,549 80.32% 1. 7.0 23,965 53.77% 2. 6.0 20,507 46.01% 3. 5.5 47 0.11% 4. 5.0117 0.04% 5. 5.0 16 0.04% 6. 5.2311 0.02% 7. 4.5 3 0.01% 8. 4.0120.00% 9. 5.2220.00% 10. 4.0 10.00% 2. Firefox / Windows 6,581 11.86% 3. Safari / Macintosh 2,352 4.24% 4. Firefox / Macintosh 828 1.49% 5. Mozilla / Linux 623 1.12% 6. Opera / Windows 150 0.27% 7. Firefox / Linux 121 0.22% 8. Mozilla / Windows 48 0.09% 9. Konqueror / Linux 37 0.07% 10. Internet Explorer / Macintosh 24 0.04% So, 80% Windows IE, split between 7 6 - I too expect to see most of the IE7 users migrate to an IE8 Gold release quite quickly, but that IE6 will hang around for much longer. warmly, Lea -- Lea de Groot Elysian Systems Brisbane, Australia *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] IE8 news - stats
Consider that a fairly significant proportion of IE6 users cannot upgrade as they're using illegal copies of Windows XP. One of my clients did a fairly large study (anonymous) where 18% of 10,000 users were using cracked copies of Windows - I'm just wondering how much that'd sway the stats. For myself, I'd be unwilling to support people who steal rather than go to linux-based operating systems. Unfortunately, it's impossible to tell the difference! John Hancock Identity -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lea de Groot Sent: Sunday, 9 March 2008 7:01 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] IE8 news - stats Well, if you'd like some stats from a .au site with very much non-technical, typically Australian-sourced traffic: 1. Internet Explorer / Windows 44,549 80.32% 1. 7.0 23,965 53.77% 2. 6.0 20,507 46.01% 3. 5.5 47 0.11% 4. 5.0117 0.04% 5. 5.0 16 0.04% 6. 5.2311 0.02% 7. 4.5 3 0.01% 8. 4.0120.00% 9. 5.2220.00% 10. 4.0 10.00% 2. Firefox / Windows 6,581 11.86% 3. Safari / Macintosh 2,352 4.24% 4. Firefox / Macintosh 828 1.49% 5. Mozilla / Linux 623 1.12% 6. Opera / Windows 150 0.27% 7. Firefox / Linux 121 0.22% 8. Mozilla / Windows 48 0.09% 9. Konqueror / Linux 37 0.07% 10. Internet Explorer / Macintosh 24 0.04% So, 80% Windows IE, split between 7 6 - I too expect to see most of the IE7 users migrate to an IE8 Gold release quite quickly, but that IE6 will hang around for much longer. warmly, Lea -- Lea de Groot Elysian Systems Brisbane, Australia *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
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John, most of the IE6 users I know are not thieves, they are clients that use IE6 as part of their SOE. One organisation alone has several thousand IE6 users. They do not choose their browser, nor their O/S. Cheers, Andrew Andrew Boyd Consultant SMS Management Technology M 0413 048 542 T +61 2 6279 7100 F +61 2 6279 7101 [EMAIL PROTECTED] About SMS: Ground Floor, 8 Brindabella Circuit, CANBERRA AIRPORT ACT 2609 www.smsmt.com SMS Management Technology (SMS) [ASX:SMX] is Australia's largest, publicly listed Management Services company. We solve complex problems and transform business through Consulting, People and Technology From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Hancock [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, 9 March 2008 9:05 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: RE: [WSG] IE8 news - stats Consider that a fairly significant proportion of IE6 users cannot upgrade as they're using illegal copies of Windows XP. One of my clients did a fairly large study (anonymous) where 18% of 10,000 users were using cracked copies of Windows - I'm just wondering how much that'd sway the stats. For myself, I'd be unwilling to support people who steal rather than go to linux-based operating systems. Unfortunately, it's impossible to tell the difference! John Hancock Identity -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lea de Groot Sent: Sunday, 9 March 2008 7:01 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] IE8 news - stats Well, if you'd like some stats from a .au site with very much non-technical, typically Australian-sourced traffic: 1. Internet Explorer / Windows 44,549 80.32% 1. 7.0 23,965 53.77% 2. 6.0 20,507 46.01% 3. 5.5 47 0.11% 4. 5.0117 0.04% 5. 5.0 16 0.04% 6. 5.2311 0.02% 7. 4.5 3 0.01% 8. 4.0120.00% 9. 5.2220.00% 10. 4.0 10.00% 2. Firefox / Windows 6,581 11.86% 3. Safari / Macintosh 2,352 4.24% 4. Firefox / Macintosh 828 1.49% 5. Mozilla / Linux 623 1.12% 6. Opera / Windows 150 0.27% 7. Firefox / Linux 121 0.22% 8. Mozilla / Windows 48 0.09% 9. Konqueror / Linux 37 0.07% 10. Internet Explorer / Macintosh 24 0.04% So, 80% Windows IE, split between 7 6 - I too expect to see most of the IE7 users migrate to an IE8 Gold release quite quickly, but that IE6 will hang around for much longer. warmly, Lea -- Lea de Groot Elysian Systems Brisbane, Australia *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** NOTICE - This communication is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking any action in reliance on, this communication by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient of this communication please delete and destroy all copies and telephone SMS Management Technology on 9696 0911 immediately. Any views expressed in this Communication are those of the individual sender, except where the sender specifically states them to be the views of SMS Management Technology. Except as required by law, SMS Management Technology does not represent, warrant and/or guarantee that the integrity of this communication has been maintained nor that the communication is free from errors, virus, interception or interference. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
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As mentioned previously, people with illegal copies of XP can now upgrade to IE7 - http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/2007/10/04/internet-explorer-7-update.aspx Ben -- e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] w: http://bendodson.com/ On 09/03/2008, Andrew Boyd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: John, most of the IE6 users I know are not thieves, they are clients that use IE6 as part of their SOE. One organisation alone has several thousand IE6 users. They do not choose their browser, nor their O/S. Cheers, Andrew Andrew Boyd Consultant SMS Management Technology M 0413 048 542 T +61 2 6279 7100 F +61 2 6279 7101 [EMAIL PROTECTED] About SMS: Ground Floor, 8 Brindabella Circuit, CANBERRA AIRPORT ACT 2609 www.smsmt.com SMS Management Technology (SMS) [ASX:SMX] is Australia's largest, publicly listed Management Services company. We solve complex problems and transform business through Consulting, People and Technology From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Hancock [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, 9 March 2008 9:05 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: RE: [WSG] IE8 news - stats Consider that a fairly significant proportion of IE6 users cannot upgrade as they're using illegal copies of Windows XP. One of my clients did a fairly large study (anonymous) where 18% of 10,000 users were using cracked copies of Windows - I'm just wondering how much that'd sway the stats. For myself, I'd be unwilling to support people who steal rather than go to linux-based operating systems. Unfortunately, it's impossible to tell the difference! John Hancock Identity -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lea de Groot Sent: Sunday, 9 March 2008 7:01 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] IE8 news - stats Well, if you'd like some stats from a .au site with very much non-technical, typically Australian-sourced traffic: 1. Internet Explorer / Windows 44,549 80.32% 1. 7.0 23,965 53.77% 2. 6.0 20,507 46.01% 3. 5.5 47 0.11% 4. 5.0117 0.04% 5. 5.0 16 0.04% 6. 5.2311 0.02% 7. 4.5 3 0.01% 8. 4.0120.00% 9. 5.2220.00% 10. 4.0 10.00% 2. Firefox / Windows 6,581 11.86% 3. Safari / Macintosh 2,352 4.24% 4. Firefox / Macintosh 828 1.49% 5. Mozilla / Linux 623 1.12% 6. Opera / Windows 150 0.27% 7. Firefox / Linux 121 0.22% 8. Mozilla / Windows 48 0.09% 9. Konqueror / Linux 37 0.07% 10. Internet Explorer / Macintosh 24 0.04% So, 80% Windows IE, split between 7 6 - I too expect to see most of the IE7 users migrate to an IE8 Gold release quite quickly, but that IE6 will hang around for much longer. warmly, Lea -- Lea de Groot Elysian Systems Brisbane, Australia *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** NOTICE - This communication is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking any action in reliance on, this communication by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient of this communication please delete and destroy all copies and telephone SMS Management Technology on 9696 0911 immediately. Any views expressed in this Communication are those of the individual sender, except where the sender specifically states them to be the views of SMS Management Technology. Except as required by law, SMS Management Technology does not represent, warrant and/or guarantee that the integrity of this communication has been maintained nor that the communication is free from errors, virus, interception or interference. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED
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Your problem is government doesn't care about what works for users. I'm suprised it works on Firefox and IE 6 but not 7 as I thought 7 was more not less standards compliant. But most businesses that actually make money from the web will have to go with the market and work with the latest release of IE. Michael Horowitz Your Computer Consultant http://yourcomputerconsultant.com 561-394-9079 Keryx Web wrote: aleagi skrev: Hello Mike, I agree with you. There's a lot of users still working in obsolete machines or/by option, browsing with IE6. That would be all of my colleagues - and me if I want to access the intranet for our town. It won't work in MSIE 7 (and hence not in MSIE 8 with any switch.) I carry around FFox on a USB stick to avoid this nightmare. Yes, I've complained. I have written about it in our local paper. I have pleaded. I have done everything in my power. What do the brainiacs at the IT department answer. We don't see this as a problem. IE 6 works. As long as all sites work in IE6/7 and some intranets won't work in any other, we are stuck. Let's do break the web - free from bad browsers! Lars Gunther *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] IE8 news
I also found IE8 to be very slow, not so much typing in it but rollover effects on links, even small things like underline text when the mouse goes over it, also going from one page to another seemed slow. I even managed to crash it when I went to a windows sharepoint site. Kevin -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of IceKat Sent: 08 March 2008 06:23 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] IE8 news Hey, I've been watching some of the IE8 conversations. I got it just yesterday and tried it. While it may pass the Acid2 test flawlessly (and only be a beta) it takes up /masses/ of memory. My computer isn't exactly a dinosaur but it still paused whilst trying to type using IE8. How powerful a computer is recommended anyway? However considering the problems with IE in the past I'd say I can live with that. IceKat (blog IE8 review at: http://aldonasweblounge.net/blog) *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
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On Mar 7, 2008, at 1:18 AM, Michael MD wrote: when I look at the server logs here I still see almost as many IE6 users as IE7 users. This prompted me to look back at our logs (US public library: 10 branches, about a million circulating items, and in a town with a large state university - the students may heavily skew the stats) Jan 2008 IE7 - 47.2% IE6 - 25.4% IE5 - 1% FF - 22% Safari - 2.8% Feb 2008 IE7 - 48.9% IE6 - 22.7% IE5 - 1% FF - 22.8% Safari - 2.9% Mar 2008 (to date) IE7 - 58.6% IE6 - 15.4% IE5 - 1% FF - 21.4% Safari - 2.9% So here at least the decline in IE6 usage is quite significant, and if the trend continues, has been handily overtaken by FF! Good news for me, at least... FWIW Andrew *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
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I use XP on two different corporate networks. Both have auto-update blocked, and will remain on IE6 for the foreseeable future. I don't think this is uncommon, but we will need to wait and see. Until now, the general practice appears to be to support the latest two versions of IE, but I think for a while it is going to have to be three - my prediction is that IE7 will disappear faster than IE6 does! Mike *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
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Hello Mike, I agree with you. There's a lot of users still working in obsolete machines or/by option, browsing with IE6. I think IE7 was a transition state to the web standards rendering, like Windows Me was to 98 from 2000. Microsoft likes to do things like that... I do believe that IE7 will fade away more faster than IE6, and that's my worry... We will still have to spend time debugging, now for 3 different browsers... I really hope that IE8 official release came out without grotesque problems or we'll have to deal with IE9, very soon... Let's wait and see! Best Regards from sunny Brazil, Aleagi . On Fri, Mar 7, 2008 at 12:05 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I use XP on two different corporate networks. Both have auto-update blocked, and will remain on IE6 for the foreseeable future. I don't think this is uncommon, but we will need to wait and see. Until now, the general practice appears to be to support the latest two versions of IE, but I think for a while it is going to have to be three - my prediction is that IE7 will disappear faster than IE6 does! Mike *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
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Michael MD wrote: when I look at the server logs here I still see almost as many IE6 users as IE7 users. (the server logs are from a public events/nightlife website which gets a pretty diverse range of people visiting it) The following stats (representing 15694 users of all kinds) are for a site which has only been around for four and a half months, so the results are 'topical': MSIE 75911 48.28% MSIE 63625 29.61% Firefox 2 9.07% AOL 9977 7.98% Safari340 2.78% Mozilla 159 0.48% Other/Unknown58 0.47% MSIE 536 0.29% Firefox 1.528 0.23% Netscape 426 0.21% Opera 918 0.15% Flock 110 0.08% Firefox 110 0.08% Mobile Phones7 0.06% Firefox 36 0.05% AOL 84 0.03% PDAs4 0.03% Konqueror 33 0.02% AOL 62 0.02% iPhone2 0.02% Safari 32 0.02% Playstation 31 0.01% Netscape 31 0.01% Netscape 71 0.01% PlayStation Portable1 0.01% AOL 71 0.01% Interesting! Bob *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
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aleagi skrev: Hello Mike, I agree with you. There's a lot of users still working in obsolete machines or/by option, browsing with IE6. That would be all of my colleagues - and me if I want to access the intranet for our town. It won't work in MSIE 7 (and hence not in MSIE 8 with any switch.) I carry around FFox on a USB stick to avoid this nightmare. Yes, I've complained. I have written about it in our local paper. I have pleaded. I have done everything in my power. What do the brainiacs at the IT department answer. We don't see this as a problem. IE 6 works. As long as all sites work in IE6/7 and some intranets won't work in any other, we are stuck. Let's do break the web - free from bad browsers! Lars Gunther *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
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Hey, I've been watching some of the IE8 conversations. I got it just yesterday and tried it. While it may pass the Acid2 test flawlessly (and only be a beta) it takes up /masses/ of memory. My computer isn't exactly a dinosaur but it still paused whilst trying to type using IE8. How powerful a computer is recommended anyway? However considering the problems with IE in the past I'd say I can live with that. IceKat (blog IE8 review at: http://aldonasweblounge.net/blog) *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
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How many time you guys think that will take to at least 70% of ie7 users update their browsers? I estimate 2/half years ... anyone can predict? - Original Message - From: aleagi [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 5:14 PM Subject: Re: [WSG] IE8 news Yeap, it sucks! I'll find a solution to that! Regards, Luiz Gustavo Aleagi Nunes - Nosce te ipsum - http://sapiensdc.com.br On Wed, Mar 5, 2008 at 5:04 PM, tee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I decided to be the brave and die first IE's victim :-) Very Bad! my IE 6 is gone, IE 7 standalone is working. The installation took over 15 minutes. How do they expect we test the browser by disable the the previous version(s) ?? *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** tee On Mar 5, 2008, at 11:32 AM, aleagi wrote: Yeah, I'm afraid to install it and kick IE6 and 7 out of my box! Anyone with the guts to do it? @:D Regards. Aleagi . On Wed, Mar 5, 2008 at 4:25 PM, Patrick H. Lauke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anybody installed the IE8beta1 yet? http://www.microsoft.com/windows/products/winfamily/ie/ie8/readiness/Install.htm Wondering if this nukes IE7 and embeds itself into Windows, or if it can run standalone... P -- Patrick H. Lauke __ re·dux (adj.): brought back; returned. used postpositively [latin : re-, re- + dux, leader; see duke.] www.splintered.co.uk | www.photographia.co.uk http://redux.deviantart.com __ Co-lead, Web Standards Project (WaSP) Accessibility Task Force http://webstandards.org/ __ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
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It depends on how Microsoft are going to get users to upgrade - If they do a forced upgrade then that figure could go down and presumably if a service pack for vista comes out it will include IE8 in it by default so hopefully it will be more like a year and a half rather than 2 and a half. My main hope is that the number of IE6 users will decrease rapidly as there are still over 20% of the market according to the W3C statistics. Apparently Microsoft were going to do a forced upgrade from IE6 to IE7 at the end of Feb but I don't know how well that has gone (or if it has at all). Ben -- e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] w: http://bendodson.com/ On 06/03/2008, Genau [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How many time you guys think that will take to at least 70% of ie7 users update their browsers? I estimate 2/half years ... anyone can predict? - Original Message - From: aleagi [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 5:14 PM Subject: Re: [WSG] IE8 news Yeap, it sucks! I'll find a solution to that! Regards, Luiz Gustavo Aleagi Nunes - Nosce te ipsum - http://sapiensdc.com.br On Wed, Mar 5, 2008 at 5:04 PM, tee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I decided to be the brave and die first IE's victim :-) Very Bad! my IE 6 is gone, IE 7 standalone is working. The installation took over 15 minutes. How do they expect we test the browser by disable the the previous version(s) ?? *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** tee On Mar 5, 2008, at 11:32 AM, aleagi wrote: Yeah, I'm afraid to install it and kick IE6 and 7 out of my box! Anyone with the guts to do it? @:D Regards. Aleagi . On Wed, Mar 5, 2008 at 4:25 PM, Patrick H. Lauke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anybody installed the IE8beta1 yet? http://www.microsoft.com/windows/products/winfamily/ie/ie8/readiness/Install.htm Wondering if this nukes IE7 and embeds itself into Windows, or if it can run standalone... P -- Patrick H. Lauke __ re·dux (adj.): brought back; returned. used postpositively [latin : re-, re- + dux, leader; see duke.] www.splintered.co.uk | www.photographia.co.uk http://redux.deviantart.com __ Co-lead, Web Standards Project (WaSP) Accessibility Task Force http://webstandards.org/ __ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
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How many time you guys think that will take to at least 70% of ie7 users update their browsers? I estimate 2/half years ... anyone can predict? Yes, I can predict. IE8 goes on-line August 4th, 2009. Human decisions are removed from strategic browser development. IE8 begins to learn, at a geometric rate. It becomes self-aware at 2:14 a.m. eastern time, August 29. In a panic, the IE8 development team try to pull the plug. Too late. IE8 launches its ICBMs against it's target - Firefox! How do I know all of this? I have detailed files: http://www.geocities.com/hollywood/makeup/4303/t2script.txt :) Russ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
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http://www.geocities.com/hollywood/makeup/4303/t2script.txt 404! It's happening already! *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
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On 2008/03/06 20:09 (GMT) Ben Dodson apparently typed: My main hope is that the number of IE6 users will decrease rapidly as there are still over 20% of the market according to the W3C statistics. Apparently Microsoft were going to do a forced upgrade from IE6 to IE7 at the end of Feb but I don't know how well that has gone (or if it has at all). IE6 won't be going away before W2K goes away, unless IE7 and/or IE8 is released for W2K. Last I checked, WGA didn't apply to W2K, leaving it as the only supported yet readily pirate-able doz version. The impact on XP is similar. Those not opting to allow WGA installation or attempt it but fail cannot upgrade from IE6. -- Let us not love with words or in talk only. Let us love by what we do. 1 John 3:18 NLV Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://mrmazda.no-ip.com/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
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Google cache: http://216.239.59.104/search?q=cache:hJvRsZGb7kUJ:www.geocities.com/hollywood/makeup/4303/t2script.txt+http://www.geocities.com/hollywood/makeup/4303/t2script.txthl=enct=clnkcd=1gl=noclient=firefox-a - Original Message - From: Andrew Freedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2008 10:05 PM Subject: Re: [WSG] IE8 news russ - maxdesign provided the following information on 7/03/2008 7:43 AM: I have detailed files: http://www.geocities.com/hollywood/makeup/4303/t2script.txt :) Russ Obviously not ;) Andrew *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
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The impact on XP is similar. Those not opting to allow WGA installation or attempt it but fail cannot upgrade from IE6. http://www.infoworld.com/archives/emailPrint.jsp?R=printThisA=/article/08/01/17/Microsoft-warns-businesses-of-autoupdate-to-IE7_1.html I agree with you on W2K, but XP users can now upgrade to IE7 without having to have the WGA stuff and apparently this is being forced through auto-update so there should be a noticeable drop in IE6 users. Ben -- e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] w: http://bendodson.com/ On 06/03/2008, Felix Miata [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 2008/03/06 20:09 (GMT) Ben Dodson apparently typed: My main hope is that the number of IE6 users will decrease rapidly as there are still over 20% of the market according to the W3C statistics. Apparently Microsoft were going to do a forced upgrade from IE6 to IE7 at the end of Feb but I don't know how well that has gone (or if it has at all). IE6 won't be going away before W2K goes away, unless IE7 and/or IE8 is released for W2K. Last I checked, WGA didn't apply to W2K, leaving it as the only supported yet readily pirate-able doz version. The impact on XP is similar. Those not opting to allow WGA installation or attempt it but fail cannot upgrade from IE6. -- Let us not love with words or in talk only. Let us love by what we do. 1 John 3:18 NLV Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://mrmazda.no-ip.com/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
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How many time you guys think that will take to at least 70% of ie7 users update their browsers? I estimate 2/half years ... anyone can predict? probably longer. when I look at the server logs here I still see almost as many IE6 users as IE7 users. (the server logs are from a public events/nightlife website which gets a pretty diverse range of people visiting it) How often does the average person (who is not a developer, designer or 'early adopter') bother to upgrade their browser? ...especially when upgrading a browser often means waiting for a very large download, having to wait for a reboot afterwoods and often breaking or removing their existing browser. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
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On 04/03/2008, at 2:34 PM, John Hancock wrote: How can you disagree with a capability? Isn't it a feature to be used if you so choose? For intranets etc that you can force this behaviour can actually be a good thing, but if you don't like it, you don't have to use it! I agree with your latter point. However, I fear that it protects lazy developers who refuse to adopt standards based practices. That said, the more and more you look at the community on the whole; it seems less ignorant today than at the start of the decade. Overall, it's a compromise that I'm willing to accept. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
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Tate Johnson I agree with your latter point. However, I fear that it protects lazy developers who refuse to adopt standards based practices. That said, the more and more you look at the community on the whole; it seems less ignorant today than at the start of the decade. The problem is that those lazy or ignorant developers are *not* actually part of the community...they may not even realise that there *is* a community. P Patrick H. Lauke Web Editor Enterprise Development University of Salford Room 113, Faraday House Salford, Greater Manchester M5 4WT UK T +44 (0) 161 295 4779 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.salford.ac.uk A GREATER MANCHESTER UNIVERSITY *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
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That's very true. Those that our party of the community are those that are aware and follow standards. And, I do disagree with compatibility indefinitely, such as having IE5's, or even IE6's rendering engine within IE8, because that does cause bloat. But, I can understand having IE7s, because not every developer is going to even feasibly be able to update all of their updates in between the beta of IE8 and the actual release, and even then it might completely update their site for when IE8 comes out. Likewise, when IE9 comes out, if it's rendering capabilities change for HTML compared to IE8, I would expect IE9 to contain IE8's rendering engine, but likely drop IE7 (depending how quickly they pushed it out). You have to have some backwards-compatibility, but you have to eventually drop some of it if you ever want to progress. Patrick Lauke wrote: Tate Johnson I agree with your latter point. However, I fear that it protects lazy developers who refuse to adopt standards based practices. That said, the more and more you look at the community on the whole; it seems less ignorant today than at the start of the decade. The problem is that those lazy or ignorant developers are *not* actually part of the community...they may not even realise that there *is* a community. P Patrick H. Lauke Web Editor Enterprise Development University of Salford Room 113, Faraday House Salford, Greater Manchester M5 4WT UK T +44 (0) 161 295 4779 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.salford.ac.uk A GREATER MANCHESTER UNIVERSITY *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- Christian Snodgrass Azure Ronin Web Design http://www.arwebdesign.net/ http://www.arwebdesign.net Phone: 859.816.7955 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
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Anybody installed the IE8beta1 yet? http://www.microsoft.com/windows/products/winfamily/ie/ie8/readiness/Install.htm Wondering if this nukes IE7 and embeds itself into Windows, or if it can run standalone... P -- Patrick H. Lauke __ re·dux (adj.): brought back; returned. used postpositively [latin : re-, re- + dux, leader; see duke.] www.splintered.co.uk | www.photographia.co.uk http://redux.deviantart.com __ Co-lead, Web Standards Project (WaSP) Accessibility Task Force http://webstandards.org/ __ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
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Yeah, I'm afraid to install it and kick IE6 and 7 out of my box! Anyone with the guts to do it? @:D Regards. Aleagi . On Wed, Mar 5, 2008 at 4:25 PM, Patrick H. Lauke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anybody installed the IE8beta1 yet? http://www.microsoft.com/windows/products/winfamily/ie/ie8/readiness/Install.htm Wondering if this nukes IE7 and embeds itself into Windows, or if it can run standalone... P -- Patrick H. Lauke __ re·dux (adj.): brought back; returned. used postpositively [latin : re-, re- + dux, leader; see duke.] www.splintered.co.uk | www.photographia.co.uk http://redux.deviantart.com __ Co-lead, Web Standards Project (WaSP) Accessibility Task Force http://webstandards.org/ __ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
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The IE7 beta worked as a standalone until the first Release Candidate came out. I presume IE8 will do the same. Am trying now, but you need to have a fully patched machine (I'm behind a firewall so our patches are usually pushed out a bit later ) to install it - so be warned that the installer may require security patch updates to complete. Hope to report soon on... :) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Patrick H. Lauke Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2008 8:26 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] IE8 news Anybody installed the IE8beta1 yet? http://www.microsoft.com/windows/products/winfamily/ie/ie8/readiness/Install.htm Wondering if this nukes IE7 and embeds itself into Windows, or if it can run standalone... P -- Patrick H. Lauke __ re·dux (adj.): brought back; returned. used postpositively [latin : re-, re- + dux, leader; see duke.] www.splintered.co.uk | www.photographia.co.uk http://redux.deviantart.com __ Co-lead, Web Standards Project (WaSP) Accessibility Task Force http://webstandards.org/ __ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
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I got a spare computer to test this on. Thanks for the heads up about the availiblity of the beta. - Original Message - From: aleagi [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 8:32 PM Subject: Re: [WSG] IE8 news Yeah, I'm afraid to install it and kick IE6 and 7 out of my box! Anyone with the guts to do it? @:D Regards. Aleagi . On Wed, Mar 5, 2008 at 4:25 PM, Patrick H. Lauke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anybody installed the IE8beta1 yet? http://www.microsoft.com/windows/products/winfamily/ie/ie8/readiness/Install.htm Wondering if this nukes IE7 and embeds itself into Windows, or if it can run standalone... P -- Patrick H. Lauke __ re·dux (adj.): brought back; returned. used postpositively [latin : re-, re- + dux, leader; see duke.] www.splintered.co.uk | www.photographia.co.uk http://redux.deviantart.com __ Co-lead, Web Standards Project (WaSP) Accessibility Task Force http://webstandards.org/ __ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
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Ok, I'm installing it... Wish me luck! @:D Regards, aleagi . On Wed, Mar 5, 2008 at 4:53 PM, Paul Bennett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The IE7 beta worked as a standalone until the first Release Candidate came out. I presume IE8 will do the same. Am trying now, but you need to have a fully patched machine (I'm behind a firewall so our patches are usually pushed out a bit later ) to install it - so be warned that the installer may require security patch updates to complete. Hope to report soon on... :) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Patrick H. Lauke Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2008 8:26 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] IE8 news Anybody installed the IE8beta1 yet? http://www.microsoft.com/windows/products/winfamily/ie/ie8/readiness/Install.htm Wondering if this nukes IE7 and embeds itself into Windows, or if it can run standalone... P -- Patrick H. Lauke __ re·dux (adj.): brought back; returned. used postpositively [latin : re-, re- + dux, leader; see duke.] www.splintered.co.uk | www.photographia.co.uk http://redux.deviantart.com __ Co-lead, Web Standards Project (WaSP) Accessibility Task Force http://webstandards.org/ __ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- Luiz Gustavo Aleagi Nunes - Nosce te ipsum - http://sapiensdc.com.br *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
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Ok I got it installed... Since I don't had the last updates in my machine, IE8 forced me to do it. And I did... Now I can't have IE6, it's updated! I have IE7 standalone running properlly. I'll digg to find a IE6 standalone version that worked with Ie8! For the rest, everything looks fine. Good lucky to you all! Regards, Luiz Gustavo Aleagi Nunes - Nosce te ipsum - http://sapiensdc.com.br On Wed, Mar 5, 2008 at 5:00 PM, Thomas Thomassen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I got a spare computer to test this on. Thanks for the heads up about the availiblity of the beta. - Original Message - From: aleagi [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 8:32 PM Subject: Re: [WSG] IE8 news Yeah, I'm afraid to install it and kick IE6 and 7 out of my box! Anyone with the guts to do it? @:D Regards. Aleagi . On Wed, Mar 5, 2008 at 4:25 PM, Patrick H. Lauke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anybody installed the IE8beta1 yet? http://www.microsoft.com/windows/products/winfamily/ie/ie8/readiness/Install.htm Wondering if this nukes IE7 and embeds itself into Windows, or if it can run standalone... P -- Patrick H. Lauke __ re·dux (adj.): brought back; returned. used postpositively [latin : re-, re- + dux, leader; see duke.] www.splintered.co.uk | www.photographia.co.uk http://redux.deviantart.com __ Co-lead, Web Standards Project (WaSP) Accessibility Task Force http://webstandards.org/ __ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
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2 restarts later I have found the following: * it overwrites IE7 * it doesn't render anything in the tabs! * it has an 'emulate IE7' button (??) Best to hold off for now. If I get it sorted I'll let you all know. Paul *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
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IE8 does provide a mode switch to IE7. There's a new button next to the home button. Though I'm not surpriced it nuked your IE6 installation. I gave it a go and tried some of my testcases where I make heavy use of selectors and other cutting edge CSS features. Can't say I was impressed. I had actually hoped for more. I thought they'd pushed it quite a bit further, but it's looking pretty much like IE7, except that there seems to be less quirks. One thing I noticed was some oddness with :hover behaviour quite a few times. And my unordered list with square bullets now displays as quetsionmakrs with a border around it. - Original Message - From: tee [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 9:04 PM Subject: Re: [WSG] IE8 news I decided to be the brave and die first IE's victim :-) Very Bad! my IE 6 is gone, IE 7 standalone is working. The installation took over 15 minutes. How do they expect we test the browser by disable the the previous version(s) ?? *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** tee On Mar 5, 2008, at 11:32 AM, aleagi wrote: Yeah, I'm afraid to install it and kick IE6 and 7 out of my box! Anyone with the guts to do it? @:D Regards. Aleagi . On Wed, Mar 5, 2008 at 4:25 PM, Patrick H. Lauke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anybody installed the IE8beta1 yet? http://www.microsoft.com/windows/products/winfamily/ie/ie8/readiness/Install.htm Wondering if this nukes IE7 and embeds itself into Windows, or if it can run standalone... P -- Patrick H. Lauke __ re·dux (adj.): brought back; returned. used postpositively [latin : re-, re- + dux, leader; see duke.] www.splintered.co.uk | www.photographia.co.uk http://redux.deviantart.com __ Co-lead, Web Standards Project (WaSP) Accessibility Task Force http://webstandards.org/ __ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
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As far as I know the emulate IE7 button forces the browser to render pages like IE7... [Microsoft also added a meta tag to choose which rendering version your visitors will use during their visit] Paul Bennett wrote: 2 restarts later I have found the following: * it overwrites IE7 * it doesn't render anything in the tabs! * it has an 'emulate IE7' button (??) Best to hold off for now. If I get it sorted I'll let you all know. Paul *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
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I gave it a go... (thanks for the link).. Installed fine... But I had to reinstall my Logitech mouse drivers... I love having to navgiate web pages using the keyboard. Just goes to show how dependant we are on the mouse! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of aleagi Sent: Thursday, 6 March 2008 7:13 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] IE8 news Ok I got it installed... Since I don't had the last updates in my machine, IE8 forced me to do it. And I did... Now I can't have IE6, it's updated! I have IE7 standalone running properlly. I'll digg to find a IE6 standalone version that worked with Ie8! For the rest, everything looks fine. Good lucky to you all! Regards, Luiz Gustavo Aleagi Nunes - Nosce te ipsum - http://sapiensdc.com.br On Wed, Mar 5, 2008 at 5:00 PM, Thomas Thomassen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I got a spare computer to test this on. Thanks for the heads up about the availiblity of the beta. - Original Message - From: aleagi [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 8:32 PM Subject: Re: [WSG] IE8 news Yeah, I'm afraid to install it and kick IE6 and 7 out of my box! Anyone with the guts to do it? @:D Regards. Aleagi . On Wed, Mar 5, 2008 at 4:25 PM, Patrick H. Lauke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anybody installed the IE8beta1 yet? http://www.microsoft.com/windows/products/winfamily/ie/ie8/readiness/Install .htm Wondering if this nukes IE7 and embeds itself into Windows, or if it can run standalone... P -- Patrick H. Lauke __ re.dux (adj.): brought back; returned. used postpositively [latin : re-, re- + dux, leader; see duke.] www.splintered.co.uk | www.photographia.co.uk http://redux.deviantart.com __ Co-lead, Web Standards Project (WaSP) Accessibility Task Force http://webstandards.org/ __ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
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p.s. the testcase I'm working on is here: http://thomthom.net/storage/markup/html/sitenav/ (NOTE: very rough draft!) but if you use it to compare IE8 with Firefox2/3, Opera 9 and Safari 3 you see that IE8 still got a long way to go. :( - Original Message - From: Thomas Thomassen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 9:50 PM Subject: Re: [WSG] IE8 news IE8 does provide a mode switch to IE7. There's a new button next to the home button. Though I'm not surpriced it nuked your IE6 installation. I gave it a go and tried some of my testcases where I make heavy use of selectors and other cutting edge CSS features. Can't say I was impressed. I had actually hoped for more. I thought they'd pushed it quite a bit further, but it's looking pretty much like IE7, except that there seems to be less quirks. One thing I noticed was some oddness with :hover behaviour quite a few times. And my unordered list with square bullets now displays as quetsionmakrs with a border around it. - Original Message - From: tee [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 9:04 PM Subject: Re: [WSG] IE8 news I decided to be the brave and die first IE's victim :-) Very Bad! my IE 6 is gone, IE 7 standalone is working. The installation took over 15 minutes. How do they expect we test the browser by disable the the previous version(s) ?? *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** tee On Mar 5, 2008, at 11:32 AM, aleagi wrote: Yeah, I'm afraid to install it and kick IE6 and 7 out of my box! Anyone with the guts to do it? @:D Regards. Aleagi . On Wed, Mar 5, 2008 at 4:25 PM, Patrick H. Lauke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anybody installed the IE8beta1 yet? http://www.microsoft.com/windows/products/winfamily/ie/ie8/readiness/Install.htm Wondering if this nukes IE7 and embeds itself into Windows, or if it can run standalone... P -- Patrick H. Lauke __ re·dux (adj.): brought back; returned. used postpositively [latin : re-, re- + dux, leader; see duke.] www.splintered.co.uk | www.photographia.co.uk http://redux.deviantart.com __ Co-lead, Web Standards Project (WaSP) Accessibility Task Force http://webstandards.org/ __ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
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Setup a virtual machine and do it there. Much safer. Michael Horowitz Your Computer Consultant http://yourcomputerconsultant.com 561-394-9079 aleagi wrote: Yeah, I'm afraid to install it and kick IE6 and 7 out of my box! Anyone with the guts to do it? @:D Regards. Aleagi . On Wed, Mar 5, 2008 at 4:25 PM, Patrick H. Lauke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anybody installed the IE8beta1 yet? http://www.microsoft.com/windows/products/winfamily/ie/ie8/readiness/Install.htm Wondering if this nukes IE7 and embeds itself into Windows, or if it can run standalone... P -- Patrick H. Lauke __ re·dux (adj.): brought back; returned. used postpositively [latin : re-, re- + dux, leader; see duke.] www.splintered.co.uk | www.photographia.co.uk http://redux.deviantart.com __ Co-lead, Web Standards Project (WaSP) Accessibility Task Force http://webstandards.org/ __ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
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Patrick H. Lauke wrote: Anybody installed the IE8beta1 yet? http://www.microsoft.com/windows/products/winfamily/ie/ie8/readiness/Install.htm Wondering if this nukes IE7 and embeds itself into Windows, or if it can run standalone... Ok, took the plunge. As already noted, it overwrites IE7, but can emulate it with a new button (which will probably go in the final release). Tredosoft's older IE versions seem unaffected, though I haven't done extensive retesting of them. http://tredosoft.com/Multiple_IE P -- Patrick H. Lauke __ re·dux (adj.): brought back; returned. used postpositively [latin : re-, re- + dux, leader; see duke.] www.splintered.co.uk | www.photographia.co.uk http://redux.deviantart.com __ Co-lead, Web Standards Project (WaSP) Accessibility Task Force http://webstandards.org/ __ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
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Hi Thomas,
One thing I noticed was some oddness with :hover behaviour
I remember when IE7 came out (RC1 I think) I had to add [1] a:hover {} to
the head of my documents else it didn't work at all. I added it within my
@import statement with empty braces, like this:
style type=text/css media=screen
@import mystylesheet.css; a:hover { }
/style
I really have top wonder if this is more of the same. What oddness are you
seeing?
I can't say I'll be installing it too soon. I did that with 7 and it just
led to a bunch of changes (bug fixes) that I didn't need to make by the time
RC2 came out.
Cheers.
Mike
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Agreed, plenty of virtualisation software out there that makes problems like the ones reported just go away. In most VM's you could take a snapshot of Windows prior to install of IE8 then roll back to that snapshot when you are done with IE8 or until a workable standalone comes through. For virtualbox, for instance, you would take a snapshot. Another option is if you have a valid Windows license to just run up a dedicated IE8 virtual machine. HTH J On Thu, 6 Mar 2008 08:38:02 am Michael Horowitz wrote: Setup a virtual machine and do it there. Much safer. Michael Horowitz Your Computer Consultant http://yourcomputerconsultant.com 561-394-9079 aleagi wrote: Yeah, I'm afraid to install it and kick IE6 and 7 out of my box! Anyone with the guts to do it? @:D Regards. Aleagi . *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
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Michael Horowitz wrote: Setup a virtual machine and do it there. Much safer. If you have spare WinXP installs, that is. Sadly a bit late, but I stumbled across these ready-made VirtualPC images from MS http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyId=21EABB90-958F-4B64-B5F1-73D0A413C8EFdisplaylang=en (time-bombed for July 2008) P -- Patrick H. Lauke __ re·dux (adj.): brought back; returned. used postpositively [latin : re-, re- + dux, leader; see duke.] www.splintered.co.uk | www.photographia.co.uk http://redux.deviantart.com __ Co-lead, Web Standards Project (WaSP) Accessibility Task Force http://webstandards.org/ __ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
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I had this crazy idea that MS would allow developers to implement something like this so we could forget about the various furbar'd rendering engines MS produces and just run with something that works for those of us who code to, or try to code to, the various standards: meta name=engine content=webkit / or at least allow us to stick in a HTTP response header for the client: X-HTML-Rendering-Engine: webkit Given the webkit (http://webkit.org/) BSD/LGPL licensing... although I wouldn't see myself as a licensing expert and I doubt MS would want to implement an open source license, but a man can dream. At least we suffering developers could tell IE what engine to render the page with, and IE lovers can still have their IE chrome :D Cheers James On Tue, 4 Mar 2008 02:25:25 pm Chris Knowles wrote: We've decided that IE8 will, by default, interpret web content in the most standards compliant way it can. This decision is a change from what we've posted previously. http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/2008/03/03/microsoft-s-interoperability-pr inciples-and-ie8.aspx *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
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Some of the oddness can use experienced here:
http://thomthom.net/storage/markup/html/sitenav/
In IE8 the drop down menu of the red nav bar will hide when the cursor moves
over the menu where the headers are below.
Also, the table of content will not drop down.
In my CSS code for the TOC I have
#toc:hover,
#toc:target
{
height: auto;
}
however, if I remove #toc:target and only have
#toc:hover
{
height: auto;
}
Then it works fine.
And you will also see that the tr:hover activates differently from other
browsers.
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Hi Thomas,
One thing I noticed was some oddness with :hover behaviour
I remember when IE7 came out (RC1 I think) I had to add [1] a:hover {} to
the head of my documents else it didn't work at all. I added it within my
@import statement with empty braces, like this:
style type=text/css media=screen
@import mystylesheet.css; a:hover { }
/style
I really have top wonder if this is more of the same. What oddness are
you seeing?
I can't say I'll be installing it too soon. I did that with 7 and it just
led to a bunch of changes (bug fixes) that I didn't need to make by the
time RC2 came out.
Cheers.
Mike
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I've just installed and it seems a lot better than IE7 - A few pages I have that have differences between IE7 and firefox now render exactly like firefox which is good :-) The switch to IE7 mode is a good bonus to have but there are a few weird things such as the url in the address bar is always greyed out apart from the domain name which is a bit weird (and I can't quite understand why they'd put that in). I need to give it a full testing but it seems quite good so far! Ben -- e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] w: http://bendodson.com/ On 05/03/2008, Jason Gray [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I gave it a go... (thanks for the link).. Installed fine... But I had to reinstall my Logitech mouse drivers... I love having to navgiate web pages using the keyboard. Just goes to show how dependant we are on the mouse! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of aleagi Sent: Thursday, 6 March 2008 7:13 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] IE8 news Ok I got it installed... Since I don't had the last updates in my machine, IE8 forced me to do it. And I did... Now I can't have IE6, it's updated! I have IE7 standalone running properlly. I'll digg to find a IE6 standalone version that worked with Ie8! For the rest, everything looks fine. Good lucky to you all! Regards, Luiz Gustavo Aleagi Nunes - Nosce te ipsum - http://sapiensdc.com.br On Wed, Mar 5, 2008 at 5:00 PM, Thomas Thomassen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I got a spare computer to test this on. Thanks for the heads up about the availiblity of the beta. - Original Message - From: aleagi [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 8:32 PM Subject: Re: [WSG] IE8 news Yeah, I'm afraid to install it and kick IE6 and 7 out of my box! Anyone with the guts to do it? @:D Regards. Aleagi . On Wed, Mar 5, 2008 at 4:25 PM, Patrick H. Lauke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anybody installed the IE8beta1 yet? http://www.microsoft.com/windows/products/winfamily/ie/ie8/readiness/Install .htm Wondering if this nukes IE7 and embeds itself into Windows, or if it can run standalone... P -- Patrick H. Lauke __ re.dux (adj.): brought back; returned. used postpositively [latin : re-, re- + dux, leader; see duke.] www.splintered.co.uk | www.photographia.co.uk http://redux.deviantart.com __ Co-lead, Web Standards Project (WaSP) Accessibility Task Force http://webstandards.org/ __ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
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On Behalf Of Chris Knowles Subject: [WSG] IE8 news We've decided that IE8 will, by default, interpret web content in the most standards compliant way it can. This decision is a change from what we've posted previously. http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/2008/03/03/microsoft-s-interoperability- principles-and-ie8.aspx I've been running it and I tried a few things. imho, many people will regret that MS changed its mind about ie8's default behavior... -- Regards, Thierry | http://www.TJKDesign.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
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Hi all, Sorry for the quick-fire posts. This just in: * if it doesn’t render when you start up the browser, you can open a new tab and then switch back to the first tab - this seems to 'wake up' the rendering engine * the 'emulate IE7' button allows you to switch between IE7 and IE8 rendering engines, but you do have to restart the browser to do this. It seems that rather than overwriting IE7, it uses the same base chrome but does allow the rendering engine switch. :) Paul *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ben Dodson The switch to IE7 mode is a good bonus to have but there are a few weird things such as the url in the address bar is always greyed out apart from the domain name which is a bit weird (and I can't quite understand why they'd put that in). I need to give it a full testing but it seems quite good so far! I think it has issue with thext box (big issues) -- Regards, Thierry | http://www.TJKDesign.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
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Ok, IE6 standalone from EVOLT are NOT browsing at all! It starts but ou can't navigate with it! http://www.mirrorservice.org/sites/browsers.evolt.org/browsers/ie/32bit/standalone/ie6eolas_nt.zip I got IE6 back from Multiple IEs... http://tredosoft.com/Multiple_IE I've installed it all and (apparently) it worked! I can't access the version window since it's updated by IE8. So, If you really, really want to teste it (like me) here's the solution to have IE6 (and lower) versions running property with IE8. For IE7 Standalone, try this: http://tredosoft.com/IE7_standalone Good lucky to you all! I just wish our nightmare with hacks, conditional coments and all the debug time is over! Regards, Luiz Gustavo Aleagi Nunes - Nosce te ipsum - http://sapiensdc.com.br On Wed, Mar 5, 2008 at 5:04 PM, tee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I decided to be the brave and die first IE's victim :-) Very Bad! my IE 6 is gone, IE 7 standalone is working. The installation took over 15 minutes. How do they expect we test the browser by disable the the previous version(s) ?? *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** tee On Mar 5, 2008, at 11:32 AM, aleagi wrote: Yeah, I'm afraid to install it and kick IE6 and 7 out of my box! Anyone with the guts to do it? @:D Regards. Aleagi . On Wed, Mar 5, 2008 at 4:25 PM, Patrick H. Lauke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anybody installed the IE8beta1 yet? http://www.microsoft.com/windows/products/winfamily/ie/ie8/readiness/Install.htm Wondering if this nukes IE7 and embeds itself into Windows, or if it can run standalone... P -- Patrick H. Lauke __ re·dux (adj.): brought back; returned. used postpositively [latin : re-, re- + dux, leader; see duke.] www.splintered.co.uk | www.photographia.co.uk http://redux.deviantart.com __ Co-lead, Web Standards Project (WaSP) Accessibility Task Force http://webstandards.org/ __ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
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Yeap, it sucks! I'll find a solution to that! Regards, Luiz Gustavo Aleagi Nunes - Nosce te ipsum - http://sapiensdc.com.br On Wed, Mar 5, 2008 at 5:04 PM, tee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I decided to be the brave and die first IE's victim :-) Very Bad! my IE 6 is gone, IE 7 standalone is working. The installation took over 15 minutes. How do they expect we test the browser by disable the the previous version(s) ?? *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** tee On Mar 5, 2008, at 11:32 AM, aleagi wrote: Yeah, I'm afraid to install it and kick IE6 and 7 out of my box! Anyone with the guts to do it? @:D Regards. Aleagi . On Wed, Mar 5, 2008 at 4:25 PM, Patrick H. Lauke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anybody installed the IE8beta1 yet? http://www.microsoft.com/windows/products/winfamily/ie/ie8/readiness/Install.htm Wondering if this nukes IE7 and embeds itself into Windows, or if it can run standalone... P -- Patrick H. Lauke __ re·dux (adj.): brought back; returned. used postpositively [latin : re-, re- + dux, leader; see duke.] www.splintered.co.uk | www.photographia.co.uk http://redux.deviantart.com __ Co-lead, Web Standards Project (WaSP) Accessibility Task Force http://webstandards.org/ __ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
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That is fantastic. Well done to all the people that engaged in this issue. And. thank you microsoft. Looking forward now to running the IE8 beta. Brad Thomas Thomassen wrote: True. IE is more than just a browser. It's a development platform. Intranet systems, HTA applications etc. Some of them might be used in mission critial systems where it's less than ideal to update the HTML and CSS every time IE updates it rendering engine so locking them self to a spesific version is very handy for them. There are still systems using DOS software for their operation because porting it to a new system would cause a great risk of bugs. - Original Message - From: "John Hancock" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2008 5:34 AM Subject: Re: [WSG] IE8 news ***List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfmUnsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfmHelp: [EMAIL PROTECTED]***
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On 04/03/2008, at 1:25 PM, Chris Knowles wrote: We've decided that IE8 will, by default, interpret web content in the most standards compliant way it can. This decision is a change from what we've posted previously. http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/2008/03/03/microsoft-s-interoperability-principles-and-ie8.aspx Microsoft is actually responding to their customers (and the community). Wow, I'm impressed. While I still disagree with the capability to render in IE7 Strict Mode, at least this is no longer the default in IE8. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
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I wonder id IE team from M$ sends the flower bouquets and chocolates to Mr Meyer and Mr Zeldman with Hallmark cards to apologize for putting them being bug guys by supporting that silly idea. Sorry, I just can't resist to asking this question. tee We've decided that IE8 will, by default, interpret web content in the most standards compliant way it can. This decision is a change from what we've posted previously. http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/2008/03/03/microsoft-s-interoperability-principles-and-ie8.aspx *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
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http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/2008/03/03/microsoft-s-interoperability-principles-and-ie8.aspx That's awesome. A unified industry can move forward. Those who want to embrace it will get with the program, and those who don't can stay in IE7-ville until... well, until they get with the program, at their leisure. At least those who have been playing the game won't have to play games with funky new meta tags. It's nice to see the voice of web standards being heard. Cheers. Mike Cherim *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
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From: tee [EMAIL PROTECTED] I wonder id IE team from M$ sends the flower bouquets and chocolates to Mr Meyer and Mr Zeldman with Hallmark cards to apologize for putting them being bug guys by supporting that silly idea. Sorry, I just can't resist to asking this question. I don't think anyone held a gun to anyone else's head ;-) -- Al Sparber - PVII http://www.projectseven.com Extending Dreamweaver - Nav Systems | Galleries | Widgets Authors: 42nd Street: Mastering the Art of CSS Design *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
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True. IE is more than just a browser. It's a development platform. Intranet systems, HTA applications etc. Some of them might be used in mission critial systems where it's less than ideal to update the HTML and CSS every time IE updates it rendering engine so locking them self to a spesific version is very handy for them. There are still systems using DOS software for their operation because porting it to a new system would cause a great risk of bugs. - Original Message - From: John Hancock [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2008 5:34 AM Subject: Re: [WSG] IE8 news How can you disagree with a capability? Isn't it a feature to be used if you so choose? For intranets etc that you can force this behaviour can actually be a good thing, but if you don't like it, you don't have to use it! Microsoft has certainly responded here, but in my opinion we shouldn't be criticising the for offering optional extras. On 04/03/2008, at 3:23 PM, Tate Johnson wrote: Microsoft is actually responding to their customers (and the community). Wow, I'm impressed. While I still disagree with the capability to render in IE7 Strict Mode, at least this is no longer the default in IE8. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
