Re: [WSG] PNG file sizes
Could you give us an example of how huge exactly the png is and what the width, height and DPI values for the PNG are? Thanks, Matijs On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 1:49 AM, Rachel May <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi Susie, > > Yes it does, but this is what I've already used and I think the files are > still rather huge!! My version is CS3. > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Susie Gardner-Brown > Sent: Thursday, 17 April 2008 11:35 a.m. > To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org > Subject: Re: [WSG] PNG file sizes > > Maybe I'm wrong, but I thought that in the 'save for web' option you could > only save as gif or jpeg. Am I wrong? I'd love it if I could use it to > compress png files - just needed to yesterday!! ... :) > > - susie > > > On 17/4/08 1:40 AM, "Nick Fitzsimons" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Wed, April 16, 2008 5:59 am, Rachel May wrote: > >> Only my personal website I've used transparent PNGs a lot... I've been > >> rather picky on how it looks, so that the shadows look natural etc. > >> > >> But this means that the file sizes are HUGE and download is really > long. > >> > >> I created the PNGs in Photoshop (CS3) and just wondering if there are > any > >> better tools or ways of saving the PNGs for smaller file size, while > still > >> retaining their high quality?? > >> > > > > If you just use Photoshop's normal "Save" functionality, selecting PNG > as > > the type, it will include a large amount of information in the file to > > assist it when the file is opened for editing at a later time. Use the > > "Save for Web and Devices" dialog instead and it will create much > smaller > > files. > > > > HTH, > > > > Nick. > > > > *** > List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm > Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm > Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > *** > > > > *** > List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm > Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm > Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > *** > > *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] PNG file sizes
Well, I've just run a 6120b png file through it and it reduced to 196kb, so I'm pleased about that!! :) On 17/4/08 9:49 AM, "Rachel May" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi Susie, > > Yes it does, but this is what I've already used and I think the files are > still rather huge!! My version is CS3. > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Susie Gardner-Brown > Sent: Thursday, 17 April 2008 11:35 a.m. > To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org > Subject: Re: [WSG] PNG file sizes > > Maybe I'm wrong, but I thought that in the 'save for web' option you could > only save as gif or jpeg. Am I wrong? I'd love it if I could use it to > compress png files - just needed to yesterday!! ... :) > > - susie > > > On 17/4/08 1:40 AM, "Nick Fitzsimons" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> On Wed, April 16, 2008 5:59 am, Rachel May wrote: >>> Only my personal website I've used transparent PNGs a lot... I've been >>> rather picky on how it looks, so that the shadows look natural etc. >>> >>> But this means that the file sizes are HUGE and download is really long. >>> >>> I created the PNGs in Photoshop (CS3) and just wondering if there are any >>> better tools or ways of saving the PNGs for smaller file size, while > still >>> retaining their high quality?? >>> >> >> If you just use Photoshop's normal "Save" functionality, selecting PNG as >> the type, it will include a large amount of information in the file to >> assist it when the file is opened for editing at a later time. Use the >> "Save for Web and Devices" dialog instead and it will create much smaller >> files. >> >> HTH, >> >> Nick. > > > > *** > List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm > Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm > Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > *** > > > > *** > List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm > Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm > Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > *** > *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] PNG file sizes
Hi Susie, Yes it does, but this is what I've already used and I think the files are still rather huge!! My version is CS3. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susie Gardner-Brown Sent: Thursday, 17 April 2008 11:35 a.m. To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] PNG file sizes Maybe I'm wrong, but I thought that in the 'save for web' option you could only save as gif or jpeg. Am I wrong? I'd love it if I could use it to compress png files - just needed to yesterday!! ... :) - susie On 17/4/08 1:40 AM, "Nick Fitzsimons" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wed, April 16, 2008 5:59 am, Rachel May wrote: >> Only my personal website I've used transparent PNGs a lot... I've been >> rather picky on how it looks, so that the shadows look natural etc. >> >> But this means that the file sizes are HUGE and download is really long. >> >> I created the PNGs in Photoshop (CS3) and just wondering if there are any >> better tools or ways of saving the PNGs for smaller file size, while still >> retaining their high quality?? >> > > If you just use Photoshop's normal "Save" functionality, selecting PNG as > the type, it will include a large amount of information in the file to > assist it when the file is opened for editing at a later time. Use the > "Save for Web and Devices" dialog instead and it will create much smaller > files. > > HTH, > > Nick. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] PNG file sizes
Definitely can be used for PNG, and I'm pretty sure at least all of the CS versions can. Casey. Susie Gardner-Brown wrote: Maybe I'm wrong, but I thought that in the 'save for web' option you could only save as gif or jpeg. Am I wrong? I'd love it if I could use it to compress png files - just needed to yesterday!! ... :) - susie On 17/4/08 1:40 AM, "Nick Fitzsimons" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Wed, April 16, 2008 5:59 am, Rachel May wrote: Only my personal website I've used transparent PNGs a lot... I've been rather picky on how it looks, so that the shadows look natural etc. But this means that the file sizes are HUGE and download is really long. I created the PNGs in Photoshop (CS3) and just wondering if there are any better tools or ways of saving the PNGs for smaller file size, while still retaining their high quality?? If you just use Photoshop's normal "Save" functionality, selecting PNG as the type, it will include a large amount of information in the file to assist it when the file is opened for editing at a later time. Use the "Save for Web and Devices" dialog instead and it will create much smaller files. HTH, Nick. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** ***List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfmUnsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfmHelp: [EMAIL PROTECTED]***
Re: [WSG] PNG file sizes
Maybe I'm wrong, but I thought that in the 'save for web' option you could only save as gif or jpeg. Am I wrong? I'd love it if I could use it to compress png files - just needed to yesterday!! ... :) - susie On 17/4/08 1:40 AM, "Nick Fitzsimons" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wed, April 16, 2008 5:59 am, Rachel May wrote: >> Only my personal website I've used transparent PNGs a lot... I've been >> rather picky on how it looks, so that the shadows look natural etc. >> >> But this means that the file sizes are HUGE and download is really long. >> >> I created the PNGs in Photoshop (CS3) and just wondering if there are any >> better tools or ways of saving the PNGs for smaller file size, while still >> retaining their high quality?? >> > > If you just use Photoshop's normal "Save" functionality, selecting PNG as > the type, it will include a large amount of information in the file to > assist it when the file is opened for editing at a later time. Use the > "Save for Web and Devices" dialog instead and it will create much smaller > files. > > HTH, > > Nick. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] PNG file sizes
Fireworks also has some really nice optimization tools for all formats. Rachel May wrote: Thanks for your replies everyone - I'll check out those tools. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nikita The Spider The Spider Sent: Thursday, 17 April 2008 1:55 a.m. To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] PNG file sizes On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 1:56 AM, Ca Phun Ung <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Mike Brown wrote: Rachel May wrote: I created the PNGs in Photoshop (CS3) and just wondering if there are any better tools or ways of saving the PNGs for smaller file size, while still retaining their high quality?? http://www.ignite-it.co.uk/ Best. Graphics. Optimiser. PlugIn. I use PNGGauntlet as an after process to optimize those PNGs. http://brh.numbera.com/software/pnggauntlet/ Unfortunately it only supports Windows. The Gimp (graphics editor) has PngCrush built into its save routine. You could also run PngCrush separately, I guess, but I never have because I always use The Gimp. Also, PngQuant runs on *nix boxes (and Windows?) and allows you to reduce the palette size of PNGs. Save a PNG as indexed and then tell PngQuant to rerender the PNG with a fixed palette size (up to 256 entries, I think) and it will dither any colors that don't fit in the palette. You can try with different palette sizes to see what tradeoff of size/quality works for you. Enjoy -- Christian Snodgrass Azure Ronin Web Design http://www.arwebdesign.net/ <http://www.arwebdesign.net> Phone: 859.816.7955 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] PNG file sizes
Thanks for your replies everyone - I'll check out those tools. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nikita The Spider The Spider Sent: Thursday, 17 April 2008 1:55 a.m. To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] PNG file sizes On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 1:56 AM, Ca Phun Ung <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Mike Brown wrote: > > > > > Rachel May wrote: > > > > > I created the PNGs in Photoshop (CS3) and just wondering if there are > any better tools or ways of saving the PNGs for smaller file size, while > still retaining their high quality?? > > > > > > > http://www.ignite-it.co.uk/ > > > > Best. Graphics. Optimiser. PlugIn. > > > > > I use PNGGauntlet as an after process to optimize those PNGs. > > http://brh.numbera.com/software/pnggauntlet/ > > Unfortunately it only supports Windows. The Gimp (graphics editor) has PngCrush built into its save routine. You could also run PngCrush separately, I guess, but I never have because I always use The Gimp. Also, PngQuant runs on *nix boxes (and Windows?) and allows you to reduce the palette size of PNGs. Save a PNG as indexed and then tell PngQuant to rerender the PNG with a fixed palette size (up to 256 entries, I think) and it will dither any colors that don't fit in the palette. You can try with different palette sizes to see what tradeoff of size/quality works for you. Enjoy -- Philip http://NikitaTheSpider.com/ Whole-site HTML validation, link checking and more *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] PNG file sizes
On Wed, April 16, 2008 5:59 am, Rachel May wrote: > Only my personal website I've used transparent PNGs a lot... I've been > rather picky on how it looks, so that the shadows look natural etc. > > But this means that the file sizes are HUGE and download is really long. > > I created the PNGs in Photoshop (CS3) and just wondering if there are any > better tools or ways of saving the PNGs for smaller file size, while still > retaining their high quality?? > If you just use Photoshop's normal "Save" functionality, selecting PNG as the type, it will include a large amount of information in the file to assist it when the file is opened for editing at a later time. Use the "Save for Web and Devices" dialog instead and it will create much smaller files. HTH, Nick. -- Nick Fitzsimons http://www.nickfitz.co.uk/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] PNG file sizes
On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 1:56 AM, Ca Phun Ung <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Mike Brown wrote: > > > > > Rachel May wrote: > > > > > I created the PNGs in Photoshop (CS3) and just wondering if there are > any better tools or ways of saving the PNGs for smaller file size, while > still retaining their high quality?? > > > > > > > http://www.ignite-it.co.uk/ > > > > Best. Graphics. Optimiser. PlugIn. > > > > > I use PNGGauntlet as an after process to optimize those PNGs. > > http://brh.numbera.com/software/pnggauntlet/ > > Unfortunately it only supports Windows. The Gimp (graphics editor) has PngCrush built into its save routine. You could also run PngCrush separately, I guess, but I never have because I always use The Gimp. Also, PngQuant runs on *nix boxes (and Windows?) and allows you to reduce the palette size of PNGs. Save a PNG as indexed and then tell PngQuant to rerender the PNG with a fixed palette size (up to 256 entries, I think) and it will dither any colors that don't fit in the palette. You can try with different palette sizes to see what tradeoff of size/quality works for you. Enjoy -- Philip http://NikitaTheSpider.com/ Whole-site HTML validation, link checking and more *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] PNG file sizes
Mike Brown wrote: Rachel May wrote: I created the PNGs in Photoshop (CS3) and just wondering if there are any better tools or ways of saving the PNGs for smaller file size, while still retaining their high quality?? http://www.ignite-it.co.uk/ Best. Graphics. Optimiser. PlugIn. I use PNGGauntlet as an after process to optimize those PNGs. http://brh.numbera.com/software/pnggauntlet/ Unfortunately it only supports Windows. -- Ca Phun Ung Web: http://yelotofu.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] PNG file sizes
Rachel May wrote: I created the PNGs in Photoshop (CS3) and just wondering if there are any better tools or ways of saving the PNGs for smaller file size, while still retaining their high quality?? http://www.ignite-it.co.uk/ Best. Graphics. Optimiser. PlugIn. That I've found anyway :) Mike *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
