Re: [WSG] SEO, fact or fiction

2008-03-24 Thread Michael Horowitz
I always remind people if music auto starts the potential customers can't come to your site at work because they won't want their boss to hear the music blaring. Michael Horowitz Your Computer Consultant http://yourcomputerconsultant.com 561-394-9079 dwain wrote: On 3/17/08, *kevin

Re: [WSG] SEO, fact or fiction

2008-03-24 Thread Bruce
] To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 11:18 AM Subject: Re: [WSG] SEO, fact or fiction I always remind people if music auto starts the potential customers can't come to your site at work because they won't want their boss to hear the music blaring. Michael Horowitz Your

Re: [WSG] SEO, fact or fiction

2008-03-17 Thread kevin mcmonagle
hi, Im doing a site for a nightclub. So im doing a hybrid. The owner has demanded a music track playing continuously. What would you lot do if you had to put in a continually playing music track? I mean the only solution that is a frameset right but i just want some feedback of the dangers of

Re: [WSG] SEO, fact or fiction

2008-03-17 Thread John Hancock
I'd use flash. http://www.gothamsounddesign.com/ is a fairly good example of an 'unobtrusive' flash player. On 18/03/2008, at 3:10 AM, kevin mcmonagle wrote: hi, Im doing a site for a nightclub. So im doing a hybrid. The owner has demanded a music track playing continuously. What would you

Re: [WSG] SEO, fact or fiction

2008-03-17 Thread Frederick Matzen
If you can't talk the guy out of it then try and get him to at least allow the USER to start the music. If not that then I would suggest teh next course is a flash player but at half volume and make SURE that the START and STOP button is easy to find. I wouldn't use a frameset for anything. On

Re: [WSG] SEO, fact or fiction

2008-03-17 Thread dwain
On 3/17/08, kevin mcmonagle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hi, Im doing a site for a nightclub. So im doing a hybrid. The owner has demanded a music track playing continuously. What would you lot do if you had to put in a continually playing music track? i would suggest allowing the user to

Re: [WSG] SEO, fact or fiction

2008-03-17 Thread Nick Stamoulis
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Re: [WSG] SEO, fact or fiction

2008-03-17 Thread David Hucklesby
On Mon, 17 Mar 2008 16:10:31 +, kevin mcmonagle wrote: hi, Im doing a site for a nightclub. So im doing a hybrid. The owner has demanded a music track playing continuously. What would you lot do if you had to put in a continually playing music track? Hi Kev - Because I am on dial-up

RE: [WSG] SEO, fact or fiction

2008-03-17 Thread Conyers, Dwayne
I will throw my 2 cents in and say that nothing is more annoying than going to a web site and suddenly being bombarded with loud music you don't want to hear. In face, I got an add-in for Firefox so that I could safely use MySpace without a cacophony of noises playing without my control.

Re: [WSG] SEO, fact or fiction

2008-03-17 Thread kevin mcmonagle
hi, i think if i cold sell him on a player that would be user controlled. I will tell him he can put in more tracks by his dj's. Sorry i meant to change the title of the post. thanks a million. -kevin *** List Guidelines:

Re: [WSG] SEO, fact or fiction - ADMIN - THREAD CLOSED

2008-03-17 Thread russ - maxdesign
--- ADMIN --- Hi all, We have had some complaints that this SEO, fact or fiction thread is off-topic. We have left it alone till now as the list has been surprisingly (spookily) quite for the last week. However, the thread has now gone on long enough.

Re: [WSG] SEO, fact or fiction

2008-03-10 Thread Dannielle Chun
Hello Everyone, Thanks a bomb for all your thoughts! You've been most helpful. In future I'll be more careful with keeping any queries more obviously standards-centric. Thanks again, Dannielle On 9/3/08 7:46 PM, Mark Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: tee wrote: On Mar 7, 2008, at

Re: [WSG] SEO, fact or fiction and myths

2008-03-09 Thread Lea de Groot
On Sat, 8 Mar 2008 16:11:53 -0800, tee wrote: Anybody knows about this? The robots text is good for search robots, but I read from somewhere, that robots text no longer is needed when Google Sitemap is implemented for the site. For Google bots, there are some elements of Google Sitemaps

Re: [WSG] SEO, fact or fiction

2008-03-09 Thread Mark Harris
tee wrote: On Mar 7, 2008, at 12:36 AM, Stuart Foulstone wrote: Hi, Search robots are essentially blind users. Anybody knows about this? I think what Kevin meant is that the googlebot takes no notice of graphical navigation or information, much as a blind user is unable to see it. The

Re: [WSG] SEO, fact or fiction

2008-03-09 Thread Dejan Kozina
I believe you got it somewhat wrong. The basic purpose of a robots.txt file is to tell a search engine what not to index - and you can issue different instructions to each robot separately. It does not tell the robots which pages to index, except for the basic tenet that anything not

Re: [WSG] SEO, fact or fiction and myths

2008-03-09 Thread Mike at Green-Beast.com
I didn't know robots text was important for accessibility, however I learned from the accessites team that it is. Tee, The reasons we (Accessites) look for a robots.txt file is because it keeps honest bots from wasting their time and your bandwidth indexing directories/files you don't want

RE: [WSG] SEO, fact or fiction and myths

2008-03-09 Thread John Hancock
] SEO, fact or fiction and myths I didn't know robots text was important for accessibility, however I learned from the accessites team that it is. Tee, The reasons we (Accessites) look for a robots.txt file is because it keeps honest bots from wasting their time and your bandwidth indexing

Re: [WSG] SEO, fact or fiction and myths

2008-03-09 Thread Mike at Green-Beast.com
That seems incredibly arbitrary when a robots.txt is purely optional - especially as the default spider behavior is to index all unless told otherwise. So you're penalizing people by having your robot behave in the opposite manner? And regarding PICS labels, most people don't know how to set them

Re: [WSG] SEO, fact or fiction and myths

2008-03-09 Thread Dejan Kozina
Nice to hear again about PICS. I use to label all my websites, but I've ofter wondered if I'm the last one using this (and P3P...). djn Mike at Green-Beast.com wrote: That seems incredibly arbitrary when a robots.txt is purely optional - especially as the default spider behavior is to index

Re: [WSG] SEO, fact or fiction and myths

2008-03-09 Thread Hayden's Harness Attachment
Okay then. What is an example of an accessible robots.txt file? Are you also talking about the site map link you see on large web sites? Angus MacKinnon Infoforce Services http:ééwww.infoforce-services.com It is impossible to rightly govern the world without God and the Bible. George Washington

Re: [WSG] SEO, fact or fiction

2008-03-08 Thread tee
On Mar 7, 2008, at 12:36 AM, Stuart Foulstone wrote: Hi, Search robots are essentially blind users. Anybody knows about this? The robots text is good for search robots, but I read from somewhere, that robots text no longer is needed when Google Sitemap is implemented for the site. I

RE: [WSG] SEO, fact or fiction

2008-03-07 Thread Stuart Foulstone
, People and Technology From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Horowitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, 7 March 2008 2:53 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] SEO, fact or fiction Not trying to infer anything. I

RE: [WSG] SEO, fact or fiction

2008-03-07 Thread Stuart Foulstone
, People and Technology From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Horowitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, 7 March 2008 2:53 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] SEO, fact or fiction Not trying to infer anything. I

Re: [WSG] SEO, fact or fiction

2008-03-06 Thread dwain
On 3/5/08, Keith Steinacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What I meant by 1 set fee was I'll get you top rankings on all search engines and fix all your woes for $99.99!! i see what you mean now. While anyone can learn how to do SEO from a book or an online class, it doesn't necessary mean that

Re: [WSG] SEO, fact or fiction

2008-03-06 Thread Michael Horowitz
What are the SEO issues in web standards? Michael Horowitz Your Computer Consultant http://yourcomputerconsultant.com 561-394-9079 Keith Steinacher wrote: What I meant by 1 set fee was I'll get you top rankings on all search engines and fix all your woes for $99.99!! Charging by the page

Re: [WSG] SEO, fact or fiction

2008-03-06 Thread Keith Steinacher
I don't really understand your question. On Thu, Mar 6, 2008 at 8:59 AM, Michael Horowitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What are the SEO issues in web standards? Michael Horowitz Your Computer Consultant http://yourcomputerconsultant.com 561-394-9079 Keith Steinacher wrote: What I meant

Re: [WSG] SEO, fact or fiction

2008-03-06 Thread John Hancock
Hi Michael, I take the perspective that a site built to web standards provides a framework for content which doesn't have any 'points' deducted from it. SEO in my experience is divided up into the main sections 1) inbound links and references 2) linking structure 3) page build quality 4)

RE: [WSG] SEO, fact or fiction

2008-03-06 Thread Andrew Boyd
PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Keith Steinacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, 7 March 2008 1:36 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] SEO, fact or fiction I don't really understand your question. On Thu, Mar 6, 2008 at 8:59 AM, Michael Horowitz [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto

Re: [WSG] SEO, fact or fiction

2008-03-06 Thread Michael Horowitz
[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Sent:* Friday, 7 March 2008 1:36 PM *To:* wsg@webstandardsgroup.org *Subject:* Re: [WSG] SEO, fact or fiction I don't really understand your question. On Thu, Mar 6, 2008 at 8:59 AM, Michael Horowitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What are the SEO

RE: [WSG] SEO, fact or fiction

2008-03-06 Thread Andrew Boyd
] On Behalf Of Michael Horowitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, 7 March 2008 2:53 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] SEO, fact or fiction Not trying to infer anything. I really was wondering how standard affect SEO. I tend to focus on content and using keywords in the natural

Re: [WSG] SEO, fact or fiction

2008-03-06 Thread Mike at Green-Beast.com
Hello Michael, Accessibility is far more important to SEO than most standards, affecting SEO directly, that is. Think of Googlebot as a blind user and you can see why I mention accessibility. I have gotten emails before, filled with promises of being number one on Google (but under what

Re: [WSG] SEO, fact or fiction

2008-03-05 Thread dwain
On 3/4/08, Keith Steinacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I wouldn't pay much attention to anyone that says they can solve all of your site's problems for 1 set fee. why not? i charge by the page and do the seo myself. there's a free class at: http://www.gnc-web-creations.com/seo-optimization.htm

Re: [WSG] SEO, fact or fiction

2008-03-05 Thread Keith Steinacher
What I meant by 1 set fee was I'll get you top rankings on all search engines and fix all your woes for $99.99!! Charging by the page or per hour (as I do it) is more legitimate. Some projects you can't really charge by the page though. I have one client who's site has 600,000 pages or more.

Re: [WSG] SEO, fact or fiction

2008-03-04 Thread Keith Steinacher
I think that they are useful, but I am biased because I am a SEO Consultant. However, we are not all created equal. I wrote a very short article on this that you can read here: http://www.mustainconsulting.com/docs/prs2007novdec.pdf Basically, you need to research a SEO professional, just like