Tee G.Peng wrote:
Hi, I finally got a chance to read the WCAG Samurai Errata. Maybe
something to do with my understanding in English, I see there is
autority tone in there.
Guideline 11, bullet point 3, point 4: I really mean this...
Not so convincing, perhaps?
Lars Gunther
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On Jun 7, 2007, at 10:22 PM, Kane Tapping wrote:
I have been reading with interest the WCAG Samurai Errata ( http://
wcagsamurai.org/errata/intro.html ) and am
Steve Green wrote:
The process for commenting is a bit shambolic, and it is not clear that
comments are particularly welcome. There is no stated process, so people
have been commenting in various places in the blogs
If you check the various blogs, you'll see Joe has been following them
closely
Oops, Joe's just posted the comments email address: samurai at the
domain wcagsamurai.org
Apologies,
-Alastair
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On 08/06/07, Lea de Groot [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Fri, 8 Jun 2007 07:27:46 +0100, Matthew Pennell wrote:
Auto-submitting dropdowns are not usable by keyboard users.
More information, please? :)
Auto
this even if they routinely use keyboard navigation.
Steve
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What is your opinion on the errata ?
It's an excellent read. Certainly therapeutic, particularly with Joe
Clarke's wonderfully acerbic wit showing in places.
I think what it truly does is define the Best Practice accessibility
which has evolved under WCAG 1.0, which made some assumptions which
On Fri, 8 Jun 2007 15:22:36 +1000, Kane Tapping wrote:
I have been reading with interest the WCAG Samurai Errata (
http://wcagsamurai.org/errata/intro.html ) and am suprised to have not
found it discussed on WSG as of yet.
Thank you! I missed this announcement, somehow. What a refreshing
On 08/06/07, Frank Palinkas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
/* Guideline 9.4: Do not attempt to create your own tab order. That is a
job for a browser and adaptive technology. */
When and where needed (in web forms for instance), I create a tabindex
order starting with the number 11 and proceed from
On 08/06/07, Lea de Groot [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
- no noscript?
I still use it to add a submit button to dropdowns which are otherwise
javascript driven - I thought I was doing a good thing!
Auto-submitting dropdowns are not usable by keyboard users.
Matthew.
I like the way that the footer links rollover to black text on dark blue
background - very accessible... ;)
Matthew.
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On 08/06/07, Frank Palinkas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
/* Guideline 9.4: Do not attempt to create your own tab order. That
is a job for a browser and adaptive technology. */
When
Hi ,
- no noscript?
I still use it to add a submit button to dropdowns which are otherwise
javascript driven - I thought I was doing a good thing! (Wah! :( )
Hmm.. its in the introduction, but not in the document. Thats not
right, surely?
I took this one to mean that you should be writing
On Fri, 8 Jun 2007 07:27:46 +0100, Matthew Pennell wrote:
Auto-submitting dropdowns are not usable by keyboard users.
More information, please? :)
warmly,
Lea
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On Fri, 8 Jun 2007 16:49:00 +1000, Kane Tapping wrote:
I took this one to mean that you should be writing your form in a
accessible and non-js way first then use JS to HIJAX (
http://ajaxian.com/archives/hijax-graceful-degration) that version to
provide enhanced useability.This way you get a
This is an interesting one:
If images must be used for list bullets, do so only using CSS, as with ul
{ list-style: url(arrow.gif) disc }
Like a lot of people, I use CSS background-image to place a graphic at the
top left of LI items, with a bit of left padding so the text makes space.
What is
Matthew Pennell wrote:
I think it's been shown that just about all keys interfere with someone's
shortcuts,
whether it's a browser, screenreader, foreign characters, or whatever.
Frank Palinkas wrote:
Interesting. Please tell me where this info is shown? I'd like to know
more.
Some Info:
On 08/06/07, Lea de Groot [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Fri, 8 Jun 2007 07:27:46 +0100, Matthew Pennell wrote:
Auto-submitting dropdowns are not usable by keyboard users.
More information, please? :)
Auto-submit dropdowns mostly work by triggering the onchange event of the
SELECT element.
June, 2007 9:53 AM
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Matthew Pennell wrote:
I think it's been shown that just about all keys interfere with someone's
shortcuts,
whether it's a browser, screenreader, foreign characters, or whatever.
Frank Palinkas wrote
Another interesting one, under Guideline 12 (although it actually relates to
WCAG 13.8):
Do not place distinguishing information at the beginning of headings,
paragraphs, lists, etc. unless document semantics warrant it.
I'd always interpreted that guideline as being a nod to both usability and
Hi,
I think the as with here means as example. The point is the use of
CSS to avoid using an img tag in the HTML.
The fact that they give the most sensible way of doing this as an example
does not preclude you using other CSS to acheve the same result.
Stuart.
On Fri, June 8, 2007 9:21 am,
On 08/06/07, Stuart Foulstone [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I think the as with here means as example. The point is the use of
CSS to avoid using an img tag in the HTML.
The fact that they give the most sensible way of doing this as an example
does not preclude you using other CSS to acheve the
If you use JS to write specific styles to the document, there
should be
nothing popping in and out.
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How do you work that one out? Javascript cannot run until the page has
(mostly) loaded, so I can vouch for getting a 'flash of extra content'
on
On 08/06/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
How do you work that one out? Javascript cannot run until the page has
(mostly) loaded, so I can vouch for getting a 'flash of extra content'
on many of my pages. Since the hidden content cannot be re-enabled
without JS on, I have to make
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http://www.tjkdesign.com/articles/toggle_elements.asp
Despite the claims of the article, using document.write() will not
work in XHTML[1] documents. Browsers don't support it in XHTML mode.
You mean served with an application/xhtml+xml MIME type, but AFAIK, the
From: Thierry Koblentz [EMAIL PROTECTED]
uments.
As a side note, it also says:
Earlier versions of this script did not use document.write(), I was using
the DOM to plug the stylesheets in the HEAD element. Unfortunately, setting
the rel attribute of the LINK element makes Safari go blank and
Matthew Pennell schreef:
On 08/06/07, *Lea de Groot* [EMAIL PROTECTED]
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Fri, 8 Jun 2007 07:27:46 +0100, Matthew Pennell wrote:
Auto-submitting dropdowns are not usable by keyboard users.
More information, please? :)
Auto-submit dropdowns
Hi Kane,
If it’s of help:
/* Guideline 9.4: Do not attempt to create your own tab order. That is a job
for a browser and adaptive technology. */
When and where needed (in web forms for instance), I create a tabindex order
starting with the number 11 and proceed from there. This usually
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