Re: [WSG] asp and accessibility

2007-03-11 Thread Mike Brown

Bob Schwartz wrote:

Do database driven, dynamically created asp pages pass muster for 
accessibility?


What makes a site accessible? Being on this list, you surely have some 
idea of the answer. But to help, some of the key things are:


- it has semantic, well-structured HTML
- in particular in uses headings well, it marks up forms and data-tables 
with appropriate accessibility features and it validates (or mostly 
validates)
- it provides options for users to jump to parts of a page eg 
navigation, content(ie, they don't have to tab through endless links)


Note that nowhere in there does it mention asp. Or in fact any 
server-side programming/scripting language. In terms of accessibility, 
what matters is what's outputted to the browser (user agent), not what 
language the backend is written and developed in.


Short answer to you question: they can and they should, but they may not.

Mike


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Re: [WSG] asp and accessibility

2007-03-11 Thread Bob Schwartz

Mike,

Thanks for the information.

Yes, I have an idea, but never having seen any of the devices people  
talk about here, I often have doubts about what I think I have  
understood.






Bob Schwartz wrote:

Do database driven, dynamically created asp pages pass muster for  
accessibility?


What makes a site accessible? Being on this list, you surely have  
some idea of the answer. But to help, some of the key things are:


- it has semantic, well-structured HTML
- in particular in uses headings well, it marks up forms and data- 
tables with appropriate accessibility features and it validates (or  
mostly validates)
- it provides options for users to jump to parts of a page eg  
navigation, content(ie, they don't have to tab through endless links)


Note that nowhere in there does it mention asp. Or in fact any  
server-side programming/scripting language. In terms of  
accessibility, what matters is what's outputted to the browser  
(user agent), not what language the backend is written and  
developed in.




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Re: [WSG] asp and accessibility

2007-03-11 Thread Brian Cummiskey

Bob Schwartz wrote:
Do database driven, dynamically created asp pages pass muster for 
accessibility?
At the end of the day, no matter the server-side language used, the end 
result is HTML pages.


I suppose if I could see the devices handicapped people use to surf, I 
would better understand what's going on (and be able to answer my own 
questions), but I don't know anyone who uses anything other than a 
browser or cell phone. 

there's a bunch of tools you can test with:

http://www.rnib.org.uk/xpedio/groups/public/documents/PublicWebsite/public_tools.hcsp


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Re: [WSG] asp and accessibility

2007-03-11 Thread Mike Brown

Bob Schwartz wrote:
Yes, I have an idea, but never having seen any of the devices people 
talk about here, I often have doubts about what I think I have understood.


Go here:
http://www.webstock.org.nz/recordings.php

and listen to / look at Darren Fittler's presentation. He's blind and 
uses a screen-reader. Very informative.


Mike


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