Re: [WSG] width calculation linux / windows
David Laakso wrote: Gunlaug Sørtun wrote: ben van 't ende [netcreators] wrote: http://www.gunlaug.no/tos/moa_16.html The only thing is ie6 crashes on resizing. That is a weird phenomenon. Not much you can do about that i guess. Probably a whole lot if I could isolate the IE6/OS/service-pack combination - with settings - the crash happened on. Win-XP/SP2 is said to introduce a nice soup of float-related freeze/crash bugs in IE6, but I can't reproduce any such problems on any of my installations with that or other win-OS/SPs for that page, and I won't venture into blind debugging of IE6. If anyone can reproduce this particular IE-bug and pin-point what exactly that bugger chokes on, than a bug-fix may be found and added - short of changing the actual 'negative margins on floats' demo as such. regards Georg XP/IE6.0 standalone/Parallels Desktop/OS X 10.4.10 IE6 frequently crashes on this end; however, I see no problem with your page /crashing/ with either a very slow or fast drag from a full window down to 175px by 460px. Hi David/Georg, Ik looks like both M$ browsers have the same problem. Only IE6 crashes on it. IE7 acts weird with the left column. I will try to focus on the ie specific stylesheet with the width:expression . thingies. to solve it. I have spent way to much time on it until know, but I am not ready to give up. I can definitely use some advise here. gRTz ben -- netcreators :: creation and innovation www.netcreators.com - www.typo3.nl Interesse in werken bij Netcreators? http://www.netcreators.com/bedrijf/vacatures/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] width calculation linux / windows
ben van 't ende [netcreators] wrote: Ik looks like both M$ browsers have the same problem. Only IE6 crashes on it. IE7 acts weird with the left column. I will try to focus on the ie specific stylesheet with the width:expression . thingies. to solve it. More case-specific information, please. - Which layout are you experiencing which problems with (links) - Which stylesheets are involved (links) - What's happening in which browser(s). - What's supposed to happen - your intentions. At the moment I'm just confused and have no idea what to look for, where. (Happens at times when threads go back and forth for a while and I'm busy doing my own things.) Georg -- http://www.gunlaug.no *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] width calculation linux / windows
Gunlaug Sørtun wrote: ben van 't ende [netcreators] wrote: Wow! Gunlaug. Amazing I knew there had to be a solution. I am still wondering why this works. Isn't CSS wonderous? Yes, CSS can be wondrous at times. A block-element occupy space to the outside of its margins. Floats are no exception, but negative back-side margins' effect on floats and space may be slightly harder to grasp... http://www.gunlaug.no/tos/moa_16.html Hey Georg, The only thing is ie6 crashes on resizing. That is a weird phenomenon. Not much you can do about that i guess. gRTz ben -- netcreators :: creation and innovation www.netcreators.com - www.typo3.nl Interesse in werken bij Netcreators? http://www.netcreators.com/bedrijf/vacatures/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] width calculation linux / windows
ben van 't ende [netcreators] wrote: http://www.gunlaug.no/tos/moa_16.html The only thing is ie6 crashes on resizing. That is a weird phenomenon. Not much you can do about that i guess. Probably a whole lot if I could isolate the IE6/OS/service-pack combination - with settings - the crash happened on. Win-XP/SP2 is said to introduce a nice soup of float-related freeze/crash bugs in IE6, but I can't reproduce any such problems on any of my installations with that or other win-OS/SPs for that page, and I won't venture into blind debugging of IE6. If anyone can reproduce this particular IE-bug and pin-point what exactly that bugger chokes on, than a bug-fix may be found and added - short of changing the actual 'negative margins on floats' demo as such. regards Georg -- http://www.gunlaug.no *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] width calculation linux / windows
Gunlaug Sørtun wrote: ben van 't ende [netcreators] wrote: http://www.gunlaug.no/tos/moa_16.html The only thing is ie6 crashes on resizing. That is a weird phenomenon. Not much you can do about that i guess. Probably a whole lot if I could isolate the IE6/OS/service-pack combination - with settings - the crash happened on. Win-XP/SP2 is said to introduce a nice soup of float-related freeze/crash bugs in IE6, but I can't reproduce any such problems on any of my installations with that or other win-OS/SPs for that page, and I won't venture into blind debugging of IE6. If anyone can reproduce this particular IE-bug and pin-point what exactly that bugger chokes on, than a bug-fix may be found and added - short of changing the actual 'negative margins on floats' demo as such. tHNx for the effort so far. i noticed this on all ie6's (sp2) i tested so far and ie7 also has a problem with the left column when resizing. for the time being i'll just take this fact as it is. gRTz ben -- netcreators :: creation and innovation www.netcreators.com - www.typo3.nl Interesse in werken bij Netcreators? http://www.netcreators.com/bedrijf/vacatures/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] width calculation linux / windows
Gunlaug Sørtun wrote: ben van 't ende [netcreators] wrote: http://www.gunlaug.no/tos/moa_16.html The only thing is ie6 crashes on resizing. That is a weird phenomenon. Not much you can do about that i guess. Probably a whole lot if I could isolate the IE6/OS/service-pack combination - with settings - the crash happened on. Win-XP/SP2 is said to introduce a nice soup of float-related freeze/crash bugs in IE6, but I can't reproduce any such problems on any of my installations with that or other win-OS/SPs for that page, and I won't venture into blind debugging of IE6. If anyone can reproduce this particular IE-bug and pin-point what exactly that bugger chokes on, than a bug-fix may be found and added - short of changing the actual 'negative margins on floats' demo as such. regards Georg XP/IE6.0 standalone/Parallels Desktop/OS X 10.4.10 IE6 frequently crashes on this end; however, I see no problem with your page /crashing/ with either a very slow or fast drag from a full window down to 175px by 460px. ~dL -- http://chelseacreekstudio.com/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] width calculation linux / windows
David Laakso wrote: IE6 frequently crashes on this end; however, I see no problem with your page /crashing/ with either a very slow or fast drag from a full window down to 175px by 460px. ok tHNx ben -- netcreators :: creation and innovation www.netcreators.com - www.typo3.nl Interesse in werken bij Netcreators? http://www.netcreators.com/bedrijf/vacatures/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] width calculation linux / windows
ben van 't ende [netcreators] wrote:
Hey List,
[...] When I drop the borders all is well AFAICS in all browsers. I
can see that in the two Linux browsers mentioned before the width of
the center column is 2px more than in other browsers. This means to
me the width is calculated differently here.
Can someone shed light on why this is so on the two Linux browsers
and how I can solve this?
http://gbo.intermax.nl.
Solution, add...
#right {margin-left: -2px;}
...to pull in the backside margin on that float. That will provide
enough space - as the browsers calculates it.
regards
Georg
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Re: [WSG] width calculation linux / windows
ben van 't ende [netcreators] wrote: Hey List, I am stuck with a special problem (aren't all problems :-) ). Anyway I have a centered 3col layout with max-width and min-width (resizes nicely to fit 800x600) and left and right col fixed width. I float the columns left,left,right to position the stuff. Needless to say the center column is the one that resizes (width: 100%). Now on windows ie's and opera everything is ok. On Linux latest Firefox is ok, but Opera, Konqueror on Linux sends my right column to the bottom next to my center column. I found out what causes this behaviour, but I cannot seem to fix it. My center column has border-left end border right 1px solid color to distinguish between the columns. When I drop the borders all is well AFAICS in all browsers. I can see that in the two Linux browsers mentioned before the width of the center column is 2px more than in other browsers. This means to me the width is calculated differently here. I tried to move the border declarations to another position in the stylesheets to maybe get a different order in rendering so the calculation of the width of the center column might change. Alas this does not help. Can someone shed light on why this is so on the two Linux browsers and how I can solve this? My example lives here: http://gbo.intermax.nl. Technically this design was very hard to achieve as it is. I have just done a revamp of some webpaged and came across the same problem with the third column - except in my case it was on IE on windows (had to change max-width to width). I use ICEweazel on linux which is much the same as firefox. You might like to test following urls and check out their style sheets note it is in XHTML the second HTML4.01 http://www.ramin.com.au/travel-guide http://www.ramin.com.au/linux/ If the first one works for you, then drop width and make float none on center panel. Marghanita -- Marghanita da Cruz http://www.ramin.com.au Phone: (+61)0414 869202 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] width calculation linux / windows
Wow! Gunlaug. Amazing I knew there had to be a solution. I am still wondering
why this works. Isn't CSS wonderous?
tHNx a lot
ben
Gunlaug Sørtun wrote:
ben van 't ende [netcreators] wrote:
Hey List,
[...] When I drop the borders all is well AFAICS in all browsers. I
can see that in the two Linux browsers mentioned before the width of
the center column is 2px more than in other browsers. This means to me
the width is calculated differently here.
Can someone shed light on why this is so on the two Linux browsers and
how I can solve this?
http://gbo.intermax.nl.
Solution, add...
#right {margin-left: -2px;}
...to pull in the backside margin on that float. That will provide
enough space - as the browsers calculates it.
regards
Georg
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Re: [WSG] width calculation linux / windows
ben van 't ende [netcreators] wrote: Wow! Gunlaug. Amazing I knew there had to be a solution. I am still wondering why this works. Isn't CSS wonderous? Yes, CSS can be wondrous at times. A block-element occupy space to the outside of its margins. Floats are no exception, but negative back-side margins' effect on floats and space may be slightly harder to grasp... http://www.gunlaug.no/tos/moa_16.html regards Georg -- http://www.gunlaug.no *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
