[wsjt-devel] official ICOM response to ALC deflection on their rigs

2019-06-13 Thread Roeland Jansen
"However, the action of ALC meter depends on balance between the modulation level setting of your transceiver and the audio output level of your PC. Please adjust them with seeing the ALC meter. As you already know, if the ALC meter indicates within the ALC zone, there is no problem. Best Regard

Re: [wsjt-devel] FT4 & FT8 and ALC

2019-06-13 Thread Jim Shorney
This seems to come up every few months. ALC is not the cause of the problem, it is a symptom. The cause is overdrive of the mic audio chain and/or balanced modulator. Poorly designed ALC can cause wide signals on voice but not with continuous carrier modes like FT, but this is not harmonic dis

Re: [wsjt-devel] Clock Sync Tolerance

2019-06-13 Thread Robert Harmon
> On Jun 13, 2019, at 1:25 PM, Matthew Miller wrote: > > I don’t want to leave you hanging since you posed reasonable questions (and > if someone else is in the same boat) – but I also don’t want to start a large > time-configuration thread in the dev mailing list – I think I got the answer

Re: [wsjt-devel] Clock Sync Tolerance

2019-06-13 Thread Bob K6UJ
Matt, I put a short cut to http://time.is on my desktop and click on it to get an instant report on my computer time.    I just clicked on it with my iphone and its clock is right on !   My iphone does better than my PC  ha ha  😄 I restarted the nist time sync this morning on my pc and now it is

Re: [wsjt-devel] Clock Sync Tolerance

2019-06-13 Thread Matthew Miller
I don’t want to leave you hanging since you posed reasonable questions (and if someone else is in the same boat) – but I also don’t want to start a large time-configuration thread in the dev mailing list – I think I got the answer I needed with the technical spec of what tolerance is acceptable.

Re: [wsjt-devel] FT4 & FT8 and ALC

2019-06-13 Thread Topher Petty
I've never seen the need for an ALC meter in digital modes... Put the power output on the rig to max, hit the tune button in the app, turn the audio drive up until you just barely reach your desired power output on the watt meter, click the tune button again to turn the signal off, and start making

Re: [wsjt-devel] FT4 & FT8 and ALC

2019-06-13 Thread n2lo
Once upon a time a DSP56002EVM let us experiment with "digi" modes. Soon psk31 sw and a sound card made it possible for many more to operate.Psk31 was not unlike a two tone test for 3rd order distortion. I would carry a portable receiver and laptop with a few audio sw analyzers to help someone setu

Re: [wsjt-devel] FT4 & FT8 and ALC

2019-06-13 Thread Maurizio Brameri
Not completely true. I am using a 7610 with power set to 100% and with ALC to 0 I have 95 W out. I have done more than 150 countries in 9 months with ALC set to 0 and 95 W.  ;) Bye, Maurizio Il 13/06/2019 19:34, Ron WV4P ha scritto: Amazing how people can believe that all radios handle ALC

Re: [wsjt-devel] FT4 & FT8 and ALC

2019-06-13 Thread n2lo
Even better than looking at the RF waveform on a scope (like we used to), is to put a receiver on another computer running Wsjtx (or someother sdr dongle and spectrum sw) and monitor your signal during level setup (at least).BCNU DE N2LO~>-Original Message-From: km4...@gmail.comTo: wsjt-dev

Re: [wsjt-devel] FT4 & FT8 and ALC

2019-06-13 Thread Ron WV4P
Amazing how people can believe that all radios handle ALC the same. Again.. Contrary to people's Opinions, don't be afraid of ALC, Especially if you have an IC 7300 or 7610, if you manage to get it to zero, have fun not making contacts. About 50% works very well.. Ron On Thu, Jun 13, 2019, 12:11 P

Re: [wsjt-devel] FT4 & FT8 and ALC

2019-06-13 Thread Steven Greer
I have to agree with Mike on this one.  If you are showing any alc your are over-driving and putting out a crappy signal.  I see it all the time.  These poorly setup stations with an extra wide signal that no one can operate next to because they are causing distor

Re: [wsjt-devel] FT4 & FT8 and ALC

2019-06-13 Thread Black Michael via wsjt-devel
Nobody is saying that ALC is the cause of the problem.  There's lots of things feed into the ALC.It's simply an indication that SOMETHING is over driving the rig when the ALC indicates more then 0dB of attenuation.   I think you'll find if you reduce the USB Mod Level you'll find the ALC can be

Re: [wsjt-devel] FT4 & FT8 and ALC

2019-06-13 Thread Roy Gould
For what it's worth, I have a different view of how ALC works. First of all, I don't think that properly implemented ALC causes more than a trivial amount of distortion in the signal. Audio processors in studio sound boards and in commercial radio stations use it routinely. It has the benefit of s

Re: [wsjt-devel] FT4 & FT8 and ALC

2019-06-13 Thread Salvatore Irato
> > > IMH for all boxed transceiver but not the K3 Power control all the way UP to maximum, it will NOT control the Pout. Audio level set as ti have not any ALC instrument deflection. Use the Audio Level control, chose one control with enough granularity and easy grip, will control the Pout as to h

Re: [wsjt-devel] FT4 & FT8 and ALC

2019-06-13 Thread Ryan Tourge
I have used the following method regardless of radio used... Use an external power meter (after the transmitter). Adjust audio gain/drive until the point where power meter stops rising. At this point, the radios ALC meter will start to show some deflection. Back the audio back slightly. The power

Re: [wsjt-devel] Clock Sync Tolerance

2019-06-13 Thread Reino Talarmo
FT8 should deal with 2.5 s time´difference so +/- 1 s is suitable tolerance. FT4 at the moment tolerates 1 s difference so less than half a second say 400 ms is a suitable target. 73, Reino oh3ma ___ wsjt-devel mailing list wsjt-devel@lists.sourcef

Re: [wsjt-devel] Clock Sync Tolerance

2019-06-13 Thread Black Michael via wsjt-devel
What time software are you using? What does http://time.is tell you? hamspots.net looks like your time is good.  Vast majority of DT's are < 0.5 seconds which is what I recommend for what you should see on hamspots.netIf majority are > 0.5 then your time is off.de Mike W9MDB On Thursda

[wsjt-devel] Clock Sync Tolerance

2019-06-13 Thread Matthew Miller
IS there any documentation what an acceptable error is for FT4, FT8, etc? As I was checking things over troubleshooting why things seem less reliable tonight I notice that my laptop instead of being within 100mS or so I see `ntpstat` is reporting synchronized within 1.4 seconds syncing to time.

Re: [wsjt-devel] FT4 & FT8 and ALC

2019-06-13 Thread Black Michael via wsjt-devel
Only when the manual is correct.  Most are wholly inadequate in this respect.  Mainly due to not addressing digital modes at all.  Even Kenwood's own TS-890S multi-lingual manual doesn't mention this. I just worked with a user yesterday with in IC-7000 and RigBlaster Advantage in the ACC socket

Re: [wsjt-devel] Proposed FT8 Frequencies for ARRL Field Day

2019-06-13 Thread John Kludt
Matthew, It is an interesting question. We are going to stick with the *.080 frequency recommendations. We have suggested that the CW boys and girls try using their notch filters and "yes" technology marches on and they will loose a little tiny piece of spectrum. John On Wed, Jun 12, 2019 at