Anti-aliased fonts in XQuartz vs xorg-server

[John Lindal]

After upgrading to High Sierra, XQuartz refuses to run at all, due to 
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=103662 
<https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=103662>

Googling turned up a note that XQuartz is out of date, but the MacPorts package 
xorg-server is updated.  I uninstalled XQuartz and installed xorg-server.  It 
worked perfectly, so I compiled my X11 programs using its headers and libraries.

My programs ran, but the fonts were not anti-aliased!  The code uses libXft and 
the fonts were anti-aliased previously under XQuartz.

After some fruitless googling, I installed XQuartz again and compiled using its 
headers and libraries.  Now the fonts are rendered correctly, even though I am 
still using xorg-server!

Does anybody have any ideas why the same code would behave so differently with 
XQuartz libs vs xorg-server libs?

Thanks,
John Lindal

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Re: Anti-aliased fonts in XQuartz vs xorg-server

[John Lindal]

Is there an easy way to activate AA in libXft, or is it a compile option?

Thanks,
John

> On Aug 11, 2018, at 1:04 PM, René J.V. Bertin  wrote:
> 
> On Saturday August 11 2018 12:00:01 x11-users-requ...@lists.apple.com wrote:
>> Does anybody have any ideas why the same code would behave so differently 
>> with XQuartz libs vs xorg-server libs?
>> 
> 
> Is freetype involved somewhere? If not, the simple conclusion would be that 
> the libXft from MacPorts doesn't have AA activated.
> 
> R.
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Re: Is XQuartz development abandoned?

[John Lindal]

When issues are fixed in xorg-server, the the related tickets closed?

John

> On Aug 30, 2018, at 1:30 PM, Langer, Stephen A. (Fed) 
>  wrote:
> 
> xorg-server from MacPorts is more up to date.
> -- Steve
>  
> On 8/30/18, 3:54 PM, "X11-users on behalf of Mick Mueck" 
>   on behalf 
> ofmick.mu...@mac.com > wrote:
>  
> Hi All, 
>  
> I'm an XQuartz user and immensely glad I can run CAD software (Cadence 
> Virtuoso) on a linux box and display all of it's X11 windows on my Mac. Very 
> many years ago I put a bug into the XQuartz system that wasn't deemed to have 
> a high priority, although it royally painful to me, and it's fix was never 
> tackled. Basically, the cursor size on many of the windows in this CAD tools 
> suite is about 4 times bigger than normal. When selecting menu items, I can't 
> properly read what I'm selecting because of the cursor size, tool-tips are 
> usually useless because the cursor obstructs most of it, editing a document 
> (placing the cursor, selecting text) is painful because the I-beam is four 
> lines high etc. Annoyingly, it's only with this Cadence software that the 
> cursor bug occurs - pretty much every other X11 window I interact with has a 
> cursor size that's just fine.
>  
> Anyway, the version of XQuartz I'm using is 2.7.11 - I get it from 
> xquartz.org 
> 
>  and it's just about 2 years old. I'm wondering if development has migrated 
> to another place or is XQuartz is abandoned?
>  
>  
> Regards,
>  
> Mick
>  
>  
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Re: XQuartz crashes on startup

[John Lindal]

I had the same problem.  Installing MacPorts' xorg-server fixed the problem.

John

> On Aug 24, 2018, at 11:16 AM, Alexandra Schwab  
> wrote:
> 
> Hello everyone,
> 
> I badly need XQuartz to work so that I can use XPP (a math modeling program) 
> for a grad school class.  I have spent about five hours Googling this problem 
> and searching through BugZilla.  I am running Mac OS High Sierra (10.13.6).  
> XQuartz is refusing to launch properly.  It is working for other Mac users I 
> have spoken with.
> 
> When I try to launch XQuartz.app by searching for it, I get “The app… can’t 
> be opened.”  When I open the X11 file from Terminal, XQuartz stays open for a 
> couple of seconds — I can see the menu — and then it’s gone.  When I try to 
> open XQuartz by clicking on it, I see the animation of the icon expanding, 
> indicating that the app should be opening, and then nothing happens.
> 
> I have looked in my diagnostic reports folder for a crash log, but as far as 
> I can tell, none has been generated.
> 
> Thanks so much for any help you can give,
> Ali
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Re: Is XQuartz development abandoned?

[John Lindal]

X.org  is not the home of xorg-server.  Do you have MacPorts
installed?  (If not, check here:  https://www.macports.org/install.php)

Once MacPorts is installed, simply run "sudo port install xorg-server"

After this finishes, you should see X11.app in Applications -> MacPorts

This X11.app works exactly the same as the one installed by XQuartz.

John

On Aug 31, 2018, at 11:21 AM, Mick Mueck  wrote:

Hi again,

I just took a look at the X.org  site referenced in a reply
below. Chris Jones said:

The X.Org

related
ports are indeed more up to date there

I went to the downloads mirror and it looks like the most recent thing
downloadable is even older than XQuartz (unless I'm missing something):

https://www.x.org/wiki/Releases/Download/

I'll happily use whatever is newer that's out there, but even in the really
old stuff I came across I didn't see any simple installer. While I might
flatter myself a little and say I'm a techie, it looked like the X.org
 stuff wasn't going to be easy to install. I'm looking for
pretty much the same sort of thing that XQuartz provides and I'd be
thrilled if that came with Mac-style windows that could be resized on all
sides. Sadly, I'm just a user (not a developer)...

I just don't know what I'm going to do when some future OS X update renders
XQuartz broken.

Regards,

Mick



On 2018.0831, at 14:03, Cheng-Yang Tan  wrote:

I have a few questions:

If I run the xorg-server from macports, then

   1.  Do I still have to start Xquartz?
   2. Does xorg-server have a window manager?
   3. Are there any instructions on how to run xorg-server? (I don't know
   where .xinitrc is on my Mac but are there any .x* files that need to be
   changed?)

Thanks!

cytan


On Friday, August 31, 2018, 12:10:41 PM CDT, Langer, Stephen A. (Fed) <
stephen.lan...@nist.gov> wrote:


You meant "xorg-server", not "xors-server".


Chris -- Can I hijack this thread to ask if you have any insight into a
question which the macports and vtk lists haven't been able to answer:  Is
it possible to use OpenGL 3.2 on macOS, using mesa and X from MacPorts?
mesa 17.1.6 ought to support OpenGL 4.5, but glxinfo (from macports) says
it's only 2.1, and vtk requires at least 3.2.


Thanks.

-- Steve


On 8/31/18, 12:53 PM, "X11-users on behalf of Christopher Jones" <
x11-users-bounces+stephen.langer=nist@lists.apple.com on behalf of
jon...@hep.phy.cam.ac.uk> wrote:


Hi,




On 31 Aug 2018, at 5:14 pm, David  wrote:


Jeremyhu is listed as the maintainer of xorg-server on MacPorts.

does he spend more time working on that than XQuartz?



I cannot comment on Jeremy’s intentions w.r.t. XQuartz, but he has (a
couple times I think) mentioned on these mailing lists he was considering
stopping XQuartz releases and focussing exclusively on the MacPorts
versions as the primary distribution means.


I can comment on MacPorts, as I am a member. The X.Org

related
ports are indeed more up to date there, and whilst Jeremy is listed as the
primary maintainer, there are a number of other interested parties (myself
included) who also contribute. In fact there are a number of things ongoing
right now looking to update a few X.Org

components. This is the big advantage compared to XQuartz, in that anyone
who wants to can contribute to it within MacPorts.  X11 is certainly not
dead in MacPorts, and I do recommend anyone using the server to look to
migrating to use the MacPorts supplied version (port name is xors-server).


Chris




David


On Aug 30, 2018, at 2:51 PM, x11-users-requ...@lists.apple.com wrote:

 4. Re: Is XQuartz development abandoned? (Filhol Alain)


Message: 4
Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2018 23:51:01 +0200
From: Filhol Alain 
To: x11-users@lists.apple.com
Subject: Re: Is XQuartz development abandoned?
Message-ID: <20242b12-9c0d-4a0d-8b63-7d8686269...@ill.eu>
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Here the answer I got from Jeremy Huddleston Sequoia on 02 Feb 2017.
I think we can be real pessimistic concerning X11 on macOS.


[AF] A question about slow dialogues with OpenMotif and XQuartz (much
slower than with Linux).

[JHS] 
There is a known issue there, I believe with Yosemite and newer versions of

Re: 2 hours to install beta3 but works

[John Lindal via X11-users]

I have 10.15.7, and it only took a few minutes.

John

> On Feb 3, 2021, at 2:29 PM, René J.V. Bertin via X11-users 
>  wrote:
> 
> On Wednesday February 03 2021 09:32:28 Elwood Downey wrote:
> 
>> installed 2.8 beta3. Took two hours for "Writing files" but finally
> 
> Anyone else see such slow install performance?
> 
> Anyway, what XOrg version does this correspond to (sorry, I'm lazy ^^)
> 
> R.
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