Re: [convirt-users] guests lacking info after config file import

2010-06-14 Thread jd
I think this is addressed on the forums.

http://www.convirture.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=35t=2019sid=065cb35d38314caf6e7719ceb884a5b4

--- On Sat, 6/5/10, Jesús M. Navarro jesus.nava...@andago.com wrote:

 From: Jesús M. Navarro jesus.nava...@andago.com
 Subject: [convirt-users] guests lacking info after config file import
 To: xenman-users@lists.sourceforge.net
 Date: Saturday, June 5, 2010, 7:16 AM
 Hi list:
 
 I'm using convirt 2.0 + patch bundle 1 on a test
 environment: Debian Lenny 
 with Xen for virtualization servers; paravirtualized guests
 and cLVM for 
 shared storage.
 
 Since I already have production virtualization environment
 I started my tests 
 importing the config files for some of our (at the moment
 unused) virtual 
 guests.  Import procedure went OK (more or less: there
 were some minor 
 problems with regards of managing white spaces and/or
 multiline definitions, 
 but nothing non-obvious).
 
 Once the definition imported, the info page for the virtual
 machine will show 
 no info neither for Guest OS (which I quite of
 understand) nor for Virtual 
 CPUs (I don't understand this one since it's right there,
 on the config).
 
 On the other hand, it seems non posible to properly
 integrate the imported 
 config within standard convirt management tools: the
 edit settings option 
 does nothing, so you are stuck with managing the guest by
 means of the Edit 
 Virtual Machine Config File, both suboptimal and
 misleading since the option 
 *won't* edit the config file but the imported version
 within the convirt 
 database.
 
 By the way, while understandable, the import config file
 and manage it from 
 the database from then on seems a bit like burning your
 ships.  Being that 
 convirt is basically a stateless management tool (which I
 honour as being 
 one of its strong points -while a bit more on the
 conciliation side between 
 known state and reality would be quite worthy) it would be
 very interesting 
 some kind of export button or script that would produce
 valid config files 
 for the guests in case the user wants or needs to get free
 from the tool 
 (i.e.: because a show-stopping bug, at least while the bug
 is resolved).  
 Please pay attention that all this virtualization trend
 (which is here not 
 to go away), specially with regards of their management
 tools, means putting 
 all your eggs in the same basket.
 
 As an example, I manage a not even big environment with
 10 virtualization 
 servers and about 200 virtual guests: a glitch on our
 management tools would 
 literally mean taking the whole company to its knees (see,
 for instance my 
 previous post about not being able to move away guests
 from failing 
 servers) so sounded ingeneering principles and clear and
 safe escape lanes 
 are paramount for our tool of choice (or else get along
 with our current 
 heavy-on-management but strongly decoupled and easy to
 fail-proof tools and 
 procedures).
 
 Cheers.
 
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[convirt-users] guests lacking info after config file import

2010-06-05 Thread Jesús M. Navarro
Hi list:

I'm using convirt 2.0 + patch bundle 1 on a test environment: Debian Lenny 
with Xen for virtualization servers; paravirtualized guests and cLVM for 
shared storage.

Since I already have production virtualization environment I started my tests 
importing the config files for some of our (at the moment unused) virtual 
guests.  Import procedure went OK (more or less: there were some minor 
problems with regards of managing white spaces and/or multiline definitions, 
but nothing non-obvious).

Once the definition imported, the info page for the virtual machine will show 
no info neither for Guest OS (which I quite of understand) nor for Virtual 
CPUs (I don't understand this one since it's right there, on the config).

On the other hand, it seems non posible to properly integrate the imported 
config within standard convirt management tools: the edit settings option 
does nothing, so you are stuck with managing the guest by means of the Edit 
Virtual Machine Config File, both suboptimal and misleading since the option 
*won't* edit the config file but the imported version within the convirt 
database.

By the way, while understandable, the import config file and manage it from 
the database from then on seems a bit like burning your ships.  Being that 
convirt is basically a stateless management tool (which I honour as being 
one of its strong points -while a bit more on the conciliation side between 
known state and reality would be quite worthy) it would be very interesting 
some kind of export button or script that would produce valid config files 
for the guests in case the user wants or needs to get free from the tool 
(i.e.: because a show-stopping bug, at least while the bug is resolved).  
Please pay attention that all this virtualization trend (which is here not 
to go away), specially with regards of their management tools, means putting 
all your eggs in the same basket.

As an example, I manage a not even big environment with 10 virtualization 
servers and about 200 virtual guests: a glitch on our management tools would 
literally mean taking the whole company to its knees (see, for instance my 
previous post about not being able to move away guests from failing 
servers) so sounded ingeneering principles and clear and safe escape lanes 
are paramount for our tool of choice (or else get along with our current 
heavy-on-management but strongly decoupled and easy to fail-proof tools and 
procedures).

Cheers.

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