Re: [XeTeX] Discretionary hyphens don't work in paragraphed footnotes

Zdenek Wagner wrote: > I have no time to look deep into it but does anybody know what is the > definition of \- if these packages is used? Isn't is possible that it is > a fragile macro? I remember one thing from Phil Taylor's tutorial held > on EuroTeX'92 in Prague. He said that the most

Re: [XeTeX] Discretionary hyphens don't work in paragraphed footnotes

On 8 October 2015 at 09:25, Philip Taylor wrote: > > > Zdenek Wagner wrote: > >> I have no time to look deep into it but does anybody know what is the >> definition of \- if these packages is used? Isn't is possible that it is >> a fragile macro? I remember one thing from

Re: [XeTeX] Discretionary hyphens don't work in paragraphed footnotes

On 8 October 2015 at 09:50, Philip Taylor wrote: > Hmmm, completely stymied : not even this works ... It wouldn't be expected to really, this was asked on stackexchange initially and it looks almost certainly due to the interface between tex's hyphenation and the font

Re: [XeTeX] Discretionary hyphens don't work in paragraphed footnotes

David Carlisle wrote: > It seems to be there just that the \nobreak is making the first part > not be th elast word in the paragraph. Oops, I had forgotten that I had added a \nobreak when investigating this odd behaviour earlier; sorry, Peter ! Back to the drawing board ... ** Phil.

Re: [XeTeX] Discretionary hyphens don't work in paragraphed footnotes

> Yes, it's very possible this is an engine bug. What would be most useful > here, I think, would be a reduced (non-LaTeX!) > testcase demonstrating the > underlying incorrect behavior at the (Xe)TeX primitive level. Any takers? I'll see what I can do David

Re: [XeTeX] Discretionary hyphens don't work in paragraphed footnotes

Hmmm, completely stymied : not even this works ... % !TeX Program=XeLaTeX \documentclass[a4paper]{article} \usepackage{fontspec} \usepackage[para]{footmisc} \begin{document} \message {\meaning \discretionary} \footnote{XX just a few normal words to fill up the line up to my x x x

Re: [XeTeX] Discretionary hyphens don't work in paragraphed footnotes

On 8/10/15 09:52, David Carlisle wrote: On 8 October 2015 at 09:50, Philip Taylor wrote: Hmmm, completely stymied : not even this works ... It wouldn't be expected to really, this was asked on stackexchange initially and it looks almost certainly due to the interface

Re: [XeTeX] Discretionary hyphens don't work in paragraphed footnotes

David Carlisle wrote: > Here is a plain tex example, not quite as minimal as I'd like but out > of time for now. > > This hyphenates with pdftex but not xetex But the following hyphenates identically in both. I do wonder whether being the last word of the para. is implicated ...

Re: [XeTeX] Discretionary hyphens don't work in paragraphed footnotes

Jonathan Kew wrote: > Yes, it's very possible this is an engine bug. What would be most useful > here, I think, would be a reduced (non-LaTeX!) test case demonstrating > the underlying incorrect behaviour at the (Xe)TeX primitive level. Any > takers? Way beyond my abilities but I can

Re: [XeTeX] Discretionary hyphens don't work in paragraphed footnotes

Here is a plain tex example, not quite as minimal as I'd like but out of time for now. This hyphenates with pdftex but not xetex \nopagenumbers \catcode`\@=11 \ifx\Umathchar\@undefined \font\x=cmr12 \else \font\x="[lmroman12-regular]:mapping=tex-text" \fi \x \newbox\FN@tempboxa

Re: [XeTeX] Discretionary hyphens don't work in paragraphed footnotes

On Thu, Oct 08, 2015 at 01:01:37PM +0100, David Carlisle wrote: > Here is a plain tex example, not quite as minimal as I'd like but out > of time for now. > > This hyphenates with pdftex but not xetex Many thanks David, that's really helpful. Best, Arthur

Re: [XeTeX] Discretionary hyphens don't work in paragraphed footnotes

Here's a shorter example which hyphenates with cmr12 (in pdfTeX/XeTeX) but not with the font copied from David's example: hyphenation is lost when closing the hbox, as can be seen by adding the appropriate \tracingonline=1\showboxbreadth=99 and \showlists just before the closing brace. I have no

Re: [XeTeX] Discretionary hyphens don't work in paragraphed footnotes

On 8/10/15 16:29, Bruno Le Floch wrote: Here's a shorter example which hyphenates with cmr12 (in pdfTeX/XeTeX) but not with the font copied from David's example: hyphenation is lost when closing the hbox, as can be seen by adding the appropriate \tracingonline=1\showboxbreadth=99 and \showlists

Re: [XeTeX] Discretionary hyphens don't work in paragraphed footnotes

The original questioner said he was doing a critical edition. If he's using EDMAC or LEDMAC then perhaps I can note that EDMAC does some work to avoid setting footnote text in "restricted horizontal mode". Restricted horizontal mode does a number of annoying things to text, including (I think)

Re: [XeTeX] Discretionary hyphens don't work in paragraphed footnotes

On 10/8/15, David Carlisle wrote: > On 8 October 2015 at 17:53, Dominik Wujastyk wrote: >> The original questioner said he was doing a critical edition. If he's >> using >> EDMAC or LEDMAC then perhaps I can note that EDMAC does some work to >> avoid

Re: [XeTeX] Discretionary hyphens don't work in paragraphed footnotes

Oh, my bad. I was working from dim memory of the past. I wonder if LaTeX changed its footnote handling somewhere along the line, or whether I'm just wrong full stop. Not interesting in the present context. Best, Dominik On 8 October 2015 at 12:12, David Carlisle wrote:

Re: [XeTeX] Discretionary hyphens don't work in paragraphed footnotes

On 8 October 2015 at 17:53, Dominik Wujastyk wrote: > The original questioner said he was doing a critical edition. If he's using > EDMAC or LEDMAC then perhaps I can note that EDMAC does some work to avoid > setting footnote text in "restricted horizontal mode". Restricted