Re: [xubuntu-users] The Devil's Advocate

2017-07-12 Thread Joao Monteiro
No, Peter, I confess I haven't. Not because of costs or that I was unaware of it, but merely because I'm making a genuine effort to stick to Linux alone, as I do need to learn it as well as I can. Hence, I'm not installing wine, so that I don't fall for the temptation of resorting to windows when

Re: [xubuntu-users] The Devil's Advocate

2017-07-12 Thread MR ZenWiz
On Wed, Jul 12, 2017 at 10:26 PM, Joao Monteiro wrote: > MR, can you please clarify me what "to bottom post" means, as I don't want > to break any etiquette. And also what FOSS means. > Bottom posting is what almost everyone this list does - reply underneath the original

Re: [xubuntu-users] The Devil's Advocate -- TANSTAAFL AKA "FOSS vs Proprietary"

2017-07-12 Thread Joao Monteiro
Really hard, not impossible, Guan. Where there is a will, there is a way. And there's a will already... with patience, the way will come ;) On 13 Jul 2017 00:55, "Guang Chao" wrote: > > > On Wed, Jul 12, 2017 at 10:26 PM, Richard Owlett > wrote:

Re: [xubuntu-users] The Devil's Advocate -- TANSTAAFL AKA "FOSS vs Proprietary"

2017-07-12 Thread Joao Monteiro
Hi Richard, Thanks. Not knocking it, just being realist and aware of my own limitations - and capabilities alike, of course. Yes, I did find a way indeed... which is why I sustain that if I can do it, everybody can. And yet, I'm aware that there's a myriad of reasons why sometimes we may not be

Re: [xubuntu-users] The Devil's Advocate -- TANSTAAFL AKA "FOSS vs Proprietary"

2017-07-12 Thread Guang Chao
On Wed, Jul 12, 2017 at 10:26 PM, Richard Owlett wrote: > TANSTAAFL == "There ain't no such thing as a free lunch" > q.v. > > Disclaimer: Though I use Debian rather than Ubuntu, I often find this > forum useful. > Same to me. I

Re: [xubuntu-users] The Devil's Advocate

2017-07-12 Thread Guang Chao
On Thu, Jul 13, 2017 at 3:45 AM, Joao Monteiro wrote: > Haha, noticed lol... > > I have been using Turbocad for nearly two decades and rely heavily on it > for my electric schematics. Sadly, the software authors/company never > provided any drivers for linux. And after a

Re: [xubuntu-users] The Devil's Advocate

2017-07-12 Thread Peter Flynn
On 07/12/2017 08:45 PM, Joao Monteiro wrote: > I have been using Turbocad for nearly two decades and rely heavily on it > for my electric schematics. Sadly, the software authors/company never > provided any drivers for linux. And after a fairly deep search for > alternatives, the odd couple of

Re: [xubuntu-users] The Devil's Advocate

2017-07-12 Thread MR ZenWiz
On Wed, Jul 12, 2017 at 12:45 PM, Joao Monteiro wrote: > Haha, noticed lol... > > I have been using Turbocad for nearly two decades and rely heavily on it for > my electric schematics. Sadly, the software authors/company never provided > any drivers for linux. And after a

Re: [xubuntu-users] The Devil's Advocate

2017-07-12 Thread Joao Monteiro
Haha, noticed lol... I have been using Turbocad for nearly two decades and rely heavily on it for my electric schematics. Sadly, the software authors/company never provided any drivers for linux. And after a fairly deep search for alternatives, the odd couple of them available are exceedingly

Re: [xubuntu-users] Rookie question on backups

2017-07-12 Thread Peter Flynn
On 07/12/2017 05:58 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Wed, 12 Jul 2017 11:31:57 +0800, Guang Chao wrote: >> no one is paid > > Hi, > > JFTR "free" is for "libre", not for "gratis". An important point, often missed. There *are* a few people paid...there are some Open Source based companies whose

Re: [xubuntu-users] The Devil's Advocate

2017-07-12 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Wed, 12 Jul 2017 19:51:46 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: >On Wed, 12 Jul 2017 10:33:09 +0100, Joao Monteiro wrote: >>- CAD wise, linux is still useless > >I can't speak about the software, but at least some people are >satisfied with Linux for CAT. ^^^ *lol* Not a

Re: [xubuntu-users] The Devil's Advocate

2017-07-12 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Wed, 12 Jul 2017 10:33:09 +0100, Joao Monteiro wrote: >- CAD wise, linux is still useless I can't speak about the software, but at least some people are satisfied with Linux for CAT. The real-time patches seem to work. Much likely it's the same as for pro-audio, which is my domain. How much

Re: [xubuntu-users] The Devil's Advocate -- TANSTAAFL AKA "FOSS vs Proprietary"

2017-07-12 Thread Richard Owlett
TANSTAAFL == "There ain't no such thing as a free lunch" q.v. Disclaimer: Though I use Debian rather than Ubuntu, I often find this forum useful. On 07/12/2017 02:01 AM, Joao Monteiro wrote: Hi all, For those who may not have read it in the thread

Re: [xubuntu-users] The Devil's Advocate

2017-07-12 Thread Joao Monteiro
Fair enough Ralph and I respect your opinion. Yet, allow me to ask you to consider that you may have misunderstood my purpose for this thread and to say that in my opinion it is a pitty if you choose to not jump into it because you do have very good and strong views on all this, that can bring

Re: [xubuntu-users] The Devil's Advocate

2017-07-12 Thread Joao Monteiro
Right. Comparisons. As much as they may be unfair, not sensible or even downright absurd, they are an intrinsic part of life - and of our human nature. That's a fact. A substantial part of the decisions that we make in our everyday lives are based on the conclusions that we make after making

Re: [xubuntu-users] The Devil's Advocate

2017-07-12 Thread Ralf Mardorf
Hi, while it's a good idea to open a new thread, instead of becoming off-topic for another thread, I guess it's not useful to continue this discussion. At least I've said what I wanted to contribute to this discussion. Regards, Ralf PS:

[xubuntu-users] The Devil's Advocate

2017-07-12 Thread Joao Monteiro
Hi all, For those who may not have read it in the thread where I mentioned it, the purpose of this thread is simple: My humble way of giving a contribution to the community within my rookie means, in a threefold manner... 1) The original subject of a thread usually gets lost in the twists and