Re: [Yade-dev] : GenericSpheresContact

2011-12-13 Thread Klaus Thoeni
Everyone on holidays already? Well I am still wondering why for the calculation of the stiffness of a sphere and a facet the radius of the facet is assumed to be twice the radius of the sphere. This is basically the value comming from GenericSpheresContact. In my opinion it doesn't make sense.

Re: [Yade-dev] : GenericSpheresContact

2011-12-13 Thread Chiara Modenese
On 13 December 2011 10:35, Klaus Thoeni klaus.tho...@gmail.com wrote: Everyone on holidays already? Well I am still wondering why for the calculation of the stiffness of a sphere and a facet the radius of the facet is assumed to be twice the radius of the sphere. I can say that this is

Re: [Yade-dev] : GenericSpheresContact

2011-12-13 Thread Jérôme Duriez
The question was already asked before, for boxes : http://www.mail-archive.com/yade-users@lists.launchpad.net/msg00269.html But the answer will not learn you so much... ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~yade-dev Post to :

Re: [Yade-dev] : GenericSpheresContact

2011-12-13 Thread Jérôme Duriez
But the answer will not learn you so much... Except that it suggests that definition of a radius should be useless for facets ?.. (I never used facets personly) ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~yade-dev Post to :

Re: [Yade-dev] : GenericSpheresContact

2011-12-13 Thread Bruno Chareyre
I have no explanation for the 2*refR other than that: - there was 2*refR in box-sphere interactions a while ago (I don't know why), - facet-sphere interactions inherited this 2* from box-sphere interactions (my assumption). The thing is I changed that in box-sphere, and now refR of a box is the

Re: [Yade-dev] : GenericSpheresContact

2011-12-13 Thread Klaus Thoeni
Hi all, thanks for the active discussion. So I guess we just leave it as it is and use 2 for boxes and facets if this is the usual assumption. No problem. And introducing r-infinity ignores the material properties of the facet, so I guess my suggestion was not the best one however

Re: [Yade-dev] : GenericSpheresContact

2011-12-13 Thread Bruno Chareyre
thanks for the active discussion. So I guess we just leave it as it is and use 2 for boxes and facets if this is the usual assumption. It is 1 for boxes now (and good like this). I didn't know 2 was usual. I would make it 1 for facet as well, but since I'm not using facets a lot, I can't

Re: [Yade-dev] : GenericSpheresContact

2011-12-13 Thread Klaus Thoeni
Well if it is 1 for boxes now I don't see any reason why it should be 2 for facets. Or is there a reason? Any other opinions? On Tue, 13 Dec 2011 10:46:31 PM Bruno Chareyre wrote: thanks for the active discussion. So I guess we just leave it as it is and use 2 for boxes and facets if this

Re: [Yade-dev] : GenericSpheresContact

2011-12-13 Thread Janek Kozicki
Frederic introduced this double radius. And it has a reasoning and derivation from formulas. Problem is that I can't remember now this derivation. But When I reproduced his derivation it actually made sense to use double radius for flat surfaces. Maybe Frederic remembers and we can ask him. I

Re: [Yade-dev] : GenericSpheresContact

2011-12-13 Thread Janek Kozicki
If I recall this derivation I will let you know ASAP. I only remember that it was quite convincing... But maybe Bruno you can ask Frederic (is he in France now?) Janek Kozicki said: (by the date of Tue, 13 Dec 2011 14:19:04 +0100) Frederic introduced this double radius. And it has a